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2018–2019 Gaza border protests
Hello, thanks for taking the time to review this move discussion.

Can you please elaborate what you meant with "no consensus"? 

WP:RMCIDC elaborates that "Consensus is determined not just by considering the preferences of the participants in a given discussion, but also by evaluating their arguments, assigning due weight accordingly, and giving due consideration to the relevant consensus of the Wikipedia community in general as reflected in applicable policy, guidelines and naming conventions. ".

Most of the opposing votes were not based on any policy guideline, therefore, consensus does not involve such WP:IDONTLIKEIT arguments. WP:COMMONNAME is clear in saying that common names override neutrality concerns, and not "which one is more neutral".

I am writing you here per WP:IMR: " Before requesting a move review: please attempt to discuss the matter with the closer of the page move discussion on the closer's talk page." Makeandtoss (talk) 11:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The two main policies mentioned were WP:POVNAME and COMMONNAME. The WP:BURDEN is on the supporters to provide evidence their preferred title better satisfies those policies. In my opinion that was not achieved. The evidence provided was questioned. Opposers claimed the sources provided were cherry-picked and didn't prove the proposed title was the common name. They also questioned the supposed non-neutrality of the current title, saying it was a neutral descriptive title and the proposed title was not neutral. Vpab15 (talk) 12:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:POVNAME: "In such cases, the prevalence of the name, or the fact that a given description has effectively become a proper name (and that proper name has become the common name), generally overrides concern that Wikipedia might appear as endorsing one side of an issue." Can you elaborate how this violates the policy?
 * The burden of verifiability has been achieved as demonstrated by the analysis of 40 high quality reliable sources using the term. The claims that the sources were cherry-picked were refuted by the argument that these articles were newer, which aligns with WP:NPOVNAME which gives an exception for: "Trendy slogans and monikers that seem unlikely to be remembered or connected with a particular issue years later".
 * The opposers to the move then could not provide any further arguments to support their position based on WP policy. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Already explained my reading of the discussion, I don't have much more to add I am afraid. Vpab15 (talk) 13:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And the point that the cherrypicking claims were refuted by the newer articles published and according to the NPOVNAME guideline which explicitly names this specific case? Makeandtoss (talk) 13:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Move review for 2018–2019 Gaza border protests
An editor has asked for a Move review of 2018–2019 Gaza border protests. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

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Requested move at Talk:Irish hunger strike
Hi,

Regarding your closure of the requested move here, could you provide a summary of your thinking? Would you consider relisting the move request to allow other editors more time to comment? Thanks, Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 09:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have updated the closing comment. There was no support for the move, it would be quite hard for the outcome to change even if the discussion is relisted. Vpab15 (talk) 10:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, although I would have thought the very strong imbalance in |1923_Irish_hunger_strikes|1920_Cork_hunger_strike page views would carry more weight. I guess I'll let it go. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 10:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I've decided to request a move review. Please see Move_review/Log/2024_July. Best wishes, Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 16:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

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