User talk:Vritzka

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Feel free to drop a note on my talk page if you have any problems. I wish you all the best on your wiki voyages! Zefr (talk) 03:37, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

November 2018
Hello, I'm Zefr. I noticed that you made one or more changes to an article, Tea tree oil, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. ''Note how "tea" is spelled. Any mention of antimicrobial effects requires a review of clinical evidence, described in WP:MEDRS. '' Zefr (talk) 03:39, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Quality of sources for medical topics
On my Talk page, you said: "thanks for reverting my changes and letting me know. You state I have not cited scientific evidence when in fact, I have. I appreciate the need for accurate texts in the medical field (and any), but I would like to also direct your attention on Rule 9 of Wikipedia editing: Write neutrally and with due weight. The current Tea Tree oil article is heavily biased against. In truth, there are uses for this substance, proven by scientific sources. The Phrase "Although there is little evidence of efficacy,.." is a personal opinion of the contributor and not supported by a citation, thus I removed it before you re-instated it. Looking forward bringing this article into a more neutral position."
 * Thanks for starting a polite discussion. As an encyclopedia - not a journal publication or textbook - Wikipedia requires medical topics to be supported by clinical reviews that experts accept as "fact". This is explained in WP:MEDASSESS. Also relevant is the guide on what Wikipedia is not; WP:NOTJOURNAL, #6-8. The literature on tea tree oil has little high-quality clinical evidence. In vitro research is basic lab work, far from clinical evidence. Please read through WP:MEDRS for a better understanding. Following you here on your Talk page. Reverting your addition of in vitro studies. --Zefr (talk) 04:11, 1 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your support, I will make sure to completely read and understand WP:MEDASSESS and WP:MEDRS.
 * Read those guides first, then edit the article. What you are doing now by adding back the reverted text and source is WP:WAR -- it can get you blocked for disruptive behavior. Please revert your last edit until you better understand the quality of sources needed. Thanks. --Zefr (talk) 04:36, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I will revert it until I read the articles. However I hope you value that Wikipedia is a neutral place, not a way to express biased opinion. The studies I quoted are of high enough quality to be listed.
 * If you review the article history as far back as 2015 (for a quick review), you'll see the antimicrobial evidence has been too weak and preliminary to include, and is mostly old information (2006 and earlier; see WP:MEDDATE), so has been reverted multiple times. Not using the antimicrobial sources and content you added seems to be the consensus among several experienced editors for more than 3 years. --Zefr (talk) 16:09, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I have now read (and will read again) the links you suggested. I can see how I have been using primary sources which is wrong. I wasn't aware Wikipedia has that rule. I think that is great as it takes away some incentive to produce primary studies in favor of this or that. Thank you then for forcing me to learn this stuff. I still feel the current article does not represent the truth accurately enough. I will create a sensible edit in line with Wikipedia's rules and prior to posting open it for discussion on the Tea Tree oil talk page. Hope you could give me feedback then. Thanks Vritzka (talk) 01:52, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Vritzka, you are invited to the Teahouse!
Restored from an edit conflict. --Zefr (talk) 16:13, 1 November 2018 (UTC)