User talk:Vrxces/Archives/2024/February

Lack of notability on draft over Game studio
Hi there, as someone who is new to Wikipedia and a new Arknights fan (yes, I play Arknights), I created this article about Hypergryph, who are the developers of the critically acclaimed game. Unfortunately, the submission was declined due to a lack of notability and when I got this notice I don't know where to start. Is there a way to fix a problem like that? The article is right here if you need it. TriFusion (talk) 21:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello! Sorry, that was me. Just to outline some background that you may know, notability is the yardstick for articles entering the mainspace. This is where significant coverage about the subject matter from reliable sources independent of the subject is out there. For companies, it's important to note notability isn't conferred by the products a company makes; there has to be significant coverage about the company itself to warrant inclusion. This may be easy to resolve as I don't have familiarity with non-english sources that may already do this. Basically you probably just want the article to have information on the company's background - its formation, staffing, operations and any sources that assess its history or body of work as a whole. Because Arknights is the only product of the company, this would normally make the need for an article about the developer less necessary, although I note they seem to have a lot of other things in the works. But re-reading I see now that there is a bit more to it.
 * Also there are some issues with neutral point of view. You may want to substantiate claims that the game has "critical acclaim", "is one of the most popular mobile games globally because of its gameplay, storyline, music, and art design" and has a "global success and fanbase" - this isn't evidenced by the Polygon citation and the Pocket Gamer citation only states that it's a popular game. It's important to remember that statements have to be verifiable by reliable sources.
 * Hope this guidance helps you improve the draft to a level that's good to go! ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 05:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Understood. Thanks for the feedback! TriFusion (talk) 21:42, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the drive!
Welcome, welcome, welcome Vrxces! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles. CactiStaccingCrane (talk)18:56, 1 February 2024 UTC //en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vrxces&action=purge refresh via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)

Tip for finding sources
Hi! Google search as been busted for years. With Tour de France 2013: 100 Edition I typed that and Focus Home Interactive in search and selected the "range" option in Google for which the game released (in this case 2013) and I got the results. Timur9008 (talk) 11:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks! ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 11:19, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Geno draft
I have removed some references that talk about him in Super Smash Bros. and I found used three new references which the character was the subject for two of them and they were used for Geno's strength in the reception section and is there anything else I could add in the draft to make it more likely to turn into a main space article. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 18:38, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Help with a draft problem
Hello Vrxces, I am writing to you because I have a problem. You see last month I had created a sandbox page with the intention of creating an article for the character of Geno. I had initially created the page on January 15, but I had been looking into sources much earlier than this (at least since December if memory serves me correctly. When I did my source search, I noted that as far as I could tell, there was nobody else attempting to make an article about this character. However, it wasn't until near the end of me writing the sandbox draft that I notice that another editor was making a Geno article at the same time as me. I didn't intend for this, as I wasn't trying to get in anybody's way. And now there is the problem of there existing two different draft of Geno.

I am writing to you specifically I saw on the other editor's draft, you had rejected theirs, but mentioned you'd be open to messaging on the subject. So now I am asking if you can help resolve this problem. My draft is currently finished, but I don't want to submit it for review as I don't want it to come off as rude to the other Geno editor. My draft is available here on Draft:Geno (Super Mario RPG) (I chose the name because it lined up with Vivian's article being series specific and I saw that there was a redirect with the exact same name as the draft). Thanks, Captain  Galaxy  18:18, 7 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Captain Galaxy I have saw your draft for Geno and it looks a lot better than me because you used references that I wasn't used to and you were enabled to expand each of the sections so yeah but the only problem was that what am I supposed to do with my Geno draft which was not better than your so is there anything suggests for me to do? NatwonTSG2 (talk) 01:48, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Captain Galaxy and @NatwonTSG2. Thanks for reaching out. I'm not an expert on Wikipedia policy but there doesn't seem to be an obvious answer on what to do when competing drafts are created. I guess I would say that WP:OWN that nobody 'owns' the right to publish a page - it is meant to be collaborative, so I think it just comes down to what is the best outcome for the draft. I think the useful content from both articles should do a WP:MERGE, and in this case it makes sense to do this to the page with the correct name - in my opinion, Geno (Super Mario RPG) is the correct name as that character is associated with that game and not a general character often seen in the broader franchise. It also helps that this is the larger and more complete draft too. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 06:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the help. I have currently submitted my draft for a Geno article. Captain  Galaxy  10:18, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Give me your advice, O wise editor
Hello VRXCES. I've seen your wonderful work here on Wikipedia (from old games to underrated indie games). Speaking of old video games, how do you find sources for them? I want to broaden my repertoire. Thanks,  TWOrantula  TM (enter the web) 02:45, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Doing my best.
 * It depends how deeply you like to dive into sources to complete articles. My strategy is usually
 * Check Metacritic/MobyGames item for review sources
 * Cross-reference with WP:VG/S and include RS
 * Internet Archive item phrase search in sources
 * Google News + Google Scholar + WP:VG/SE
 * Happy to provide further detail. If you have a specific game in mind you're researching, I'm happy to help with it and provide a draft or existing article with sources. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 02:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Need help (again)
Hello again, VRXCES. I'm currently improving Vector (video game), and I've discovered an interview that contains well enough information for the development section. However, per WP:VG/S, this isn't a reliable source. What do I do? Do I just leave it out and have readers miss out on important information? Thanks,  TWOrantula  TM (enter the web) 16:13, 10 February 2024 (UTC)


 * In short, mixing policy and my thoughts:
 * Generally avoid using non-reliable sources where reliable sources are available and could provide similar information, as this is more verifiable.
 * Primary non-reliable interview sources are a little less problematic as they are about views attributable to the creator of the work and are not meant to be factual.
 * In contrast to gameplay or reception sections, where secondary coverage is better as it is independent of the work, primary sources are helpful as the views of the developer are usually the only content providing information on the background and making of a game.
 * To reconcile these points, I think it's fair to add in when (a) other reliable sources aren't there (b) the interview is to add information to a developer-focused topic such as the background and development of the game (c) that topic isn't generally controversial and (d) the article attributes the quotes or indicates the developer is the source for any factual statements about the game.
 * ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 07:01, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Collab?
Hi VRXCES. Do you have any time or motivation to do a collab? I'd like to improve either one of these articles: Guildlings or Ape Out. Whaddya say? TWOrantula TM (enter the web) 16:26, 23 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Sounds great. How can I help, and what workflow would work best? ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 19:44, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean by "workflow", but...
 * For Guildlings, you could try to help me out the development and reception sections.
 * For Ape Out, you could help me expand the lead and reception sections.
 * TWOrantula TM (enter the web) 21:12, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Happy to help out with those. I'll keep you posted! ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 22:55, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! You're the best!  TWOrantula  TM (enter the web) 22:56, 23 February 2024 (UTC)