User talk:Vsecrece

November 2022
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Please provide an edit summary for every edit you make. With a Wikipedia account you can give yourself a reminder to add an edit summary by setting, and then click the "Save" button. Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 03:19, 4 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for using edit summaries!
 * When you're adding admissions data to articles, can you please explicitly note that they're usually for undergraduate students only and not all applicants? Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 21:58, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure! Vsecrece (talk) 22:02, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

FTF = freshman?
Why are you abbreviating "freshmen" as "FTF" in multiple articles? From where are getting that abbreviation? ElKevbo (talk) 03:00, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * "FTF" stands for First-Time Freshman. Vsecrece (talk) 03:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Nicknames and abbreviations
When going through university articles, the nickname or initials in parenthesis is a second or common name/term. This is included first because the initials are used later in the article and also because it's usually a common nickname for a given school, so users may be looking for that term. We make the term bold if it's a redirect or there's a link to the article from a disambiguation page. Not every school has a common initialism or nickname used, though, so if you don't know it's used, let it be. Kent State University, for instance, is often called "KSU" in secondary sources over "Kent" since KSU is located in the city of Kent. "KSU" is also used later in the Wikipedia article, so that first usage establishes that KSU = Kent State University. It's bold since someone could type in "KSU" in the search bar and go to the disambiguation page KSU and find the link to Kent State University. Cleveland State University only uses "CSU-Ohio" in their web address since there are many CSUs around, but it's not a term used by very many sources as a nickname for the school. Most call it Cleveland State or CSU. The CSU disambiguation page, though, does list Cleveland State and Central State University, so both should have "CSU" listed in parenthesis since those initialism are used later in their respective Wikipedia articles, and they should be bold since each article links to the CSU page. -- JonRidinger (talk) 19:29, 5 January 2023 (UTC)


 * These nicknames have been causing unnecessary confusion as, in many cases, multiple institutions share the same abbreviation. I was working to replace them with unique names (such as the one in their web address) to ensure everything was clear. Vsecrece (talk) 18:08, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That sounds like it's going into WP:OR and unencyclopedic content (see WP:NOT). This isn't a catalog of unique names, but rather the common nicknames or alternative names that universities are referred to by large groups of people, and often by the media. They often aren't unique, and that's okay. We as editors should not be in the business of crafting our own unique nicknames that fly in the face of common usage, and as @JonRidinger mentioned, the non-unique nicknames are resolved by disambiguation pages. URLs are not a great source for this - while they're designed to be unique, that very property results in many of them not corresponding to natural language usage, which is what Wikipedia is trying to capture.
 * Honestly, based on the higher education project style guide, most, if not all, of these nickname changes need to be reverted, but there are hundreds of them... Vmanjr (talk) 19:58, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Agree with Vmanjr. Please read the links they left you, such as WP:UNIGUIDE, WP:OR, and WP:NOT. The nicknames and initialisms aren't really causing any confusion since they aren't the titles of any article. It's not our job as editors to sort out nicknames, but only to include the ones that are consistently used in secondary sources, regardless of whether or not other schools or organizations also use them (quite common for initials). Please refrain from replacing nicknames and initialisms by using a given school's URL as a guide. As Vmanjr explained, URLs are designed to be unique since they have to be unique, but that doesn't mean those nicknames or phrases are used in everyday speech and sources. Going back to Cleveland State, I can tell you it's not referred to "CSU-Ohio" (which is their URL) by secondary sources or even primary sources in or out of Ohio; it's just referred to as "CSU" in local sources since a reader will understand in context that CSU means Cleveland State, not another school. Same for Kent State and KSU. That goes for within the respective Wikipedia articles too. Since the articles use initialisms themselves, what the initials stand for must be established at the beginning. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:24, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

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