User talk:Vuzor/Archive 1

April 2013
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Hello
Hi Vuzor, thank you for helping with the Sound of Contact article. I just edited the new page you created, adding back most of the content that was deleted yesterday. Its been edited down, and hopefully wont be considered a direct copy and paste from the band's official website, although since they approve of this wiki article about them, I really don't see the problem with using their content. It's accurate and unbiased, so that's what should count, right. Anyway, I put in a request for a photo of Simon that can be used on his wiki page, I'll forward it to you when I know something. Thanks again. Carter336 (talk) 14:43, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Sound of Contact


A tag has been placed on Sound of Contact requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article or image appears to be a clear copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Talkback
Winkelvi (talk) 21:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Moving talk
Hi Vuzor -- I don't know if there is some kind of policy relating to the situation, but I don't think it's necessary for you to move every discussion to the article talk page. Perhaps just letting Sonic Squids know to start discussion articles on the appropriate talk page rather than user talk pages? I get the feeling you are trying to make sure everything is transparent. That's a good idea. Directing him to discuss the article(s) on the article talk pages in the future would probably be the best way to handle that. Not trying to tell you what to do, but it does seem like a waste of bandwidth and time to keep moving stuff. Winkelvi (talk) 19:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Winkelvi. Thanks for the concern. I actually told him a few times within my comments on his page to reply on the Sound of Contact talk page, and I linked to it, as I have done in this sentence. In any event, I took note of Spanglej's comment that it would be better to keep everything organized on one page, and seeing as the discussion had been dispersed across numerous talk pages, I felt it would be helpful to move our earlier discussion on Sonic_Squids' talk page to the article's talk page. In regards to my decision to move Sonic Squids' response about Jonathan Schang to the article talk page, I would have otherwise posted a response to indicate the question had been answered -- just so it wouldn't have been left open-ended. That response would have taken up some bandwidth as well. He didn't reply in the place I was hoping for, though I felt it was necessary to establish that the question on the Sound of Contact talk page had been answered.


 * If you don't recommend transferring comments like that, I'll try not to do that. I don't think bandwidth would necessarily be the reason for it, though, as I would have needed to indicate the question had been answered in any case. If it isn't quite mandatory, I feel it at least helps organize the discussion, in my opinion. I do wish to keep everything transparent and clear so that we, as well as future editors, can have a sense of the expectations, progress, and information we have established, as well as to clarify some of the unclear information about the content itself. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, and I feel the talk pages really help us provide a sense of where we are at and what we can achieve. Lately, I've been trying to keep all of the discussion on the article talk pages, but in Sonic Squids' case, he answered on his user talk page rather than on the article's talk page despite my request. I don't blame him -- he's likely in the middle of rehearsals for the upcoming tour. I did want to be helpful by transferring his comment, though. I don't think it will happen too often. As long as we all post on the article talk pages, we should be fine. Thanks for bringing it up. Vuzor (talk) 20:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

May 2013
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I noticed too many of your recent edits to Sound of Contact do not have edit summaries. Please provide one before saving your changes to an article, as the summaries are quite helpful to people browsing an article's history. This has been mentioned to you before. Please remember to include edit summaries from here on out. Winkelvi (talk) 16:02, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Winkelvi. I don't believe the edit summaries were mentioned to me before, and if they were, I must have missed it by mistake. I apologize. Thank you for letting me know. I will try to do so from now on. Vuzor (talk) 22:29, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks like I did miss it. I noticed it just now in one of Spanglej's comments yesterday. Sorry about that. Vuzor (talk) 22:34, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Category:Sound of Contact
Category:Sound of Contact, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 19:40, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Dimensionaut


A tag has been placed on Dimensionaut, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

The album hasn't been released yet - delete per WP:CRYSTAL

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time.

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Hopefully, you won't take this personally. I just think it's premature and obvious advertising for this article to exist before the album is even released. If it does get deleted, why not just hang onto the content of the article on your computer and then recreate it after the album is released? Winkelvi (talk) 16:36, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Dimensionaut for deletion
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For example
Writing that the album was released on May 28th - knowingwp:crystal has already been an issue - is a perfect example of why I am having a hard time trusting your motivation in editing the articles involving Sound of Contact. And you're still not using edit summaries when you should. And yet, you criticize me claiming the article hasn't been edited or improved in your 'absence'? WTF? Winkelvi (talk) 21:57, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Apologies. Perhaps this derives from my lack of faith in anybody else editing the page, and a subconscious effort to edit things in advance. That's the last time that will happen. I had a feeling you would catch it. I am glad you are keeping an eye on it. Hopefully you understand I can't be doing the majority of the work on these articles. I had to manually edit the release information of the album on the Sound of Contact page as well. It seems if I'm not here to make any changes (and I do see your recent changes), very little is done. I still feel you are the only one who understood why the COI tag was up there, and it would have been helpful if you could have listed what you felt specifically was wrong with the article. Let's actually work on the article and not clash. If we can agree to that, we can accomplish much more. Vuzor (talk) 22:04, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Really confused as to why you think this article, or any Wikipedia article, must be worked on at all times. Unless it's an article someone is trying to get to GA status or is a current events-related article, what would you work on it continually for?  Until something else new or exciting happens in the life of Kerzner or Sound of Contact, what else should there be?  Wiki articles are constantly in a state of 'work in progress', and that's why there is no deadline.  Work on it at your leisure.  If you are starting to feel responsible for the articles in question and don't recognize trust any one other than your self to edit it, then you've got ownership issues.  You might want to read the article on wp:own to get a handle on that concept.   Ownership isn't how it's supposed to work, my friend.  And if the article doesn't have  anything new in it for days, weeks, or months -- who gives a crap?  It's just the internet. Relax, dude.  Winkelvi (talk) 22:16, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Guy, you keep misunderstanding me. The release date for the album in North America is two days away. I have a feeling nobody is going to be working on it, so I changed the information to state it "was released." In two days' time the tense I chose would have been correct. It's not that I don't "trust" anyone to edit it in the sense that people . ould not edit it; have I not already invited others to edit the pages and help out? I want people to contribute. Quit trying to grasp at straws. I used "trust" in the context that I don't "believe" people will edit the.  age or that anyone actually gives a crap about editing it. I'd rather have the page use the past tense for two extra days instead of using the present tense for however long I might be unavailable.


 * I am also simply asking you to be accountable if you place the COI banner up to explain why in god's name it was there. Placing it there ambiguously and then leaving the article will do nothing to improve the article. You then left the article for two weeks. There's no timeline, but there are realistic expectations to have things done in a reasonable amount of time. Someone else had to tell you the banner had no purpose there before it was taken down, which meant the banner had no place being there at all. You have a knack for tossing banners around without hesitation even if they do not entirely fit the situation. You make offensive assumptions and manipulate words. Stop. Vuzor (talk) 23:07, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I'm officially done trying to work with you. Your words say one thing one moment, you do something completely different the next, and then you say something that totally contradicts what you said and did prior to that. It's like you're two or three people rather than just one editor. I may have left the tag there, but if you notice, the other editor didn't remove it right away, either. Again, who gives a shit whether I edit the article more than I did? IT'S NOT ABOUT A TIMELINE. Get it? this is a community. Everyone is welcome to edit the article. If someone else removes the tag other than me, so what? Nobody gives a shit but you and Kerzner. if i misunderstand you as you claim, it's because your passive aggressive behavior and contradictory statements make it impossible to understand you. as far as the date of album release being two days from now: accuracy and honesty and accurate information counts. You've already been schooled in wp:crystal, so you KNOW you can't put in a future date as if it has already happened. Now what I see is that you tried to slip it in. Who cares why you did it. The fact is YOU CAN'T DO IT. Wp:IDHT is taking on a whole new meaning for me after dealing with you. Winkelvi (talk) 23:31, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's your accusations and way of talking that have made me address you the way I have. From your accusations of me to your misunderstanding of what sources were allowed to your flagging of pages for deletion for the wrong reasons; it seems you're the one attempting to make disruptive edits. You haven't been free of mistakes either, and your insistence on trying to justify certain mistakes such as the banner is embarrassing. I will continue to edit the page, and as you have said anyone else is welcome as well to. Please address me specifically about issues with the page the next time you talk to me. Vuzor (talk) 23:38, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


 * That you are keeping active laundry list of perceived wrongs and errors another editor has made and continually bring them up over and over only says one thing to me: you are not a team player and do not understand the Wikipedia community concept. I had considered rephrasing my statement above that said I was done trying to work with you and gentle it down.  Now it is obvious to me that no matter what I say no matter what I do you will continue to bring out what you believe are past mistakes and errors on my part and try to use them as ammunition.  So be it.  As long as you continue as you have in your last post here, I'm done trying to work with you and will just edit as I believe I should based on the Manual of Style.  But, if you ever want to try and work with me and others in the way we are supposed to work together in Wikipedia, let me know and I will be happy to give you another chance.  Until then, I will just keep editing the articles we both edit and cleaning up your mistakes and non-Wikipedia standard edits.  And just for the record, I had every intention of changing the appropriate articles to reflect the album release date and the wording surrounding it.  If you were really concerned about it getting done if you weren't able to do it yourself, you could have asked someone else to do it for you.  You could have asked me to do it for you and I would have.  That is what working together looks like here.  But, rather than do it the right way, you decided to do it your way -- the wrong way -- and to hell with what the Manual of Style says.  Even though you knew better because of prior conversations regarding WP:CRYSTAL.  That behavior, put plainly, is considered disruptive editing and has no place anywhere in Wikipedia.  Especially in an article you are saying you care so much about.  Again, another perfect example of why I don't trust your editing style and motivation and intent here.  You keep giving me more reasons not to assume good faith with you.  It would be wonderful if you'd give me reasons why I can trust you again.  Alas, for now you've exhausted my patience, understanding, and good will.  Winkelvi (talk) 00:28, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I would love to be a team player. Is the removal of the band template from the Simon Collins and Dave Kerzner pages appropriate at all? They are members of the band. I don't mean to keep a "laundry list," but I have previously attempted to be patient with you and to consult with you and others. The fact that you've spoken in such a harsh tone has made it difficult to work with you. Each time you've accused me of something, I have simply provided a response. Perhaps you don't appreciate that. Please elaborate on the talk pages if you feel the need to place a tag at the top of a page or remove a template. Some of the changes you have made are fine, but others should be discussed with other editors. Vuzor (talk) 04:58, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:BRD in order to understand Wikipedia's editing progression. Winkelvi (talk) 05:13, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Dimensionaut
Looking at Vuzor/Dimensionaut, I note that in the "Reception" section, you have only positive reviews. I can tell you right now that so many positive reviews are not going to fly. As it is, the section is filled with undue weight. You have to balance it out with negative reviews as well. Don't forget, this is an encyclopedia, not a fan magazine. Find negative reviews and put them in as well -- equal amount of negative as positive would be ideal. Winkelvi (talk) 23:36, 31 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not finished. Don't panic. I took a dinner break. This is not on any published page yet. I already have a negative review here that I intend to incorporate.


 * http://gettothefront.co.uk/2013/05/review-sound-of-contact-dimensionaut/


 * Vuzor (talk) 00:09, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * No panic on my end. Just informing you in case you didn't know.  But I'm serious that it needs to be balanced out.  Which means if you only end up with one negative review, there probably should be no more than two positive reviews in the section.  Winkelvi (talk) 00:25, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm aware. Thanks for telling me. I had intended to balance it anyway, but I appreciate the concern. I thought you might have been flipping out because I stopped editing. No worries. Vuzor (talk) 00:30, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * There's no rule about having to have negative reviews. Many articles don't. Articles get built over time; You start with what you've got. Yes, you want balance, ideally, but the idea with WP is that you have a whole community of editors and no deadline. Beyoncé Knowles (GA) and Michael Jackson (FA) don't have any negative artistic reviews or mentions. Wink, you are about the only editor I've come across who uses WP:UNDUE in the way you do. It's generally used in Israel/Palestine articles, for example, when one viewpoint is starting to dominate. 'A section' cannot really be 'filled with undue weight'. You might not like or agree with the content, but that is another matter. WP was conceived as a collaborative work in progress. Span (talk) 09:53, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * There's no "rule", but one of the cardinal rules in Wikipedia is NPOV. Undue weight is right behind NPOV.  Undue weight in the form of positive reviews takes the article from encyclopedia to fan magazine because the NPOV isn't there.  The first sentence in the article on NPOV states, "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources."  So, there you have it.  Not a "rule" but definitely the definition of NPOV in Wikipedia regarding Wikipedia articles.


 * Since this article is starting from scratch and has already been deleted once, I would think we should be encouraging Vuzor to get it as right and clean as possible from the get-go, not giving him reasons to cut corners. Two artists articles providing an example that proves your point -- out of the thousands of articles that have a "Reviews" section -- is, in my estimation, only showing that unbalanced and POV articles can pass GA and FA.  I'm certain there are many, many more articles that have been written more carefully and with more attention to NPOV and have a more balanced tone by giving fairly equal time to negative and positive reviews.  There have already been questions as to the POV tone and advertisement and fan magazine nature of the articles surrounding Sound of Contact.  No need to add more fuel and suspicion to that fire.  Yes, Wikipedia is a collaborative work in progress.  Precisely why I'm adding my collaborative 3 cents.  NPOV is accomplished when there are critical eyes watching, adding their opinions and edits to the pot from a different POV.  Winkelvi (talk) 17:04, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Dimensionaut
Hi. I've deleted the version you just created, and I've moved the userfied copy into its place - the reason is to retain the history of the article, as it has had some (minor) changes by other people along the way. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:49, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, Boing. You've been really helpful throughout this process. It's all greatly appreciated. :) Vuzor (talk) 07:51, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem, happy to help -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats on getting the article live. Span (talk) 11:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

June 2013
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, as you did at Dimensionaut, you may be blocked from editing. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 06:31, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You can threaten, but in this instance more editors disagree with you than agree. You instigated the change, and have thus far reverted the edits of more than one person in regards to this. One can argue you are editing disruptively. If this is truly wrong, someone else will correct it. Let someone else sort it out; frankly, I do not trust you with your edits. Vuzor (talk) 06:35, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Dimensionaut shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 06:36, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Surprised
Considering the strong warnings we both received in July that very nearly were blocks, I'm surprised you've chosen to revert and change what was rewritten rather than discuss it all first on the article's talk page. Discussion happens on talk pages, not in edit summaries. Thought you would have learned that last time. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 04:24, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Your edit was a sentence fragment. I didn't see what was wrong with the sentence prior to your revision. I would have chosen to leave it had it not been a sentence fragment. I'm not sure why you're confused by this decision. I've left all of your other edits untouched.


 * "Designed to showcase the progressive rock genre and the beginning of the band's Dimensionaut world tour with sixteen performances during August and September 2013 that includes twenty one bands" is not a complete sentence. I tried to make it work, but the sentence is completely mangled grammatically. It had to be fixed, plain and simple. I'm not being unreasonable. What you changed the sentence to is not a sentence. Vuzor (talk) 04:28, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

September 2013
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Sound of Contact. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 18:12, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Dimensionaut. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 18:14, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.


 * This is quite immature of you. I have openly asked you if you would like to seek another opinion so we can reach consensus. If you feel strongly enough about it to attack me, I invite you to seek another opinion. Let's try to resolve this in a cooperative manner. I am not edit warring. From the very start, I have asked you to talk about it on Talk:Sound of Contact. Why you would remove the same information from the Dimensionaut page after being asked to discuss it on Talk:Sound of Contact is beyond reason. Please keep the discussion on that page and try to resolve this through consensus, not through attacks on me. Vuzor (talk) 18:19, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Not immature, just making a notification trail. Your personal attack of me through name calling ("immature") is, however, noted.
 * Not attacking you, just stating a fact and doing so within Wikipedia guidelines.
 * You most certainly are edit warring. The following is the Wikipedia definition of edit warring:
 * "An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions, rather than trying to resolve the disagreement by discussion. Edit warring is unconstructive and creates animosity between editors, making it harder to reach a consensus. Users who engage in edit wars risk being blocked or even banned. Note that an editor who repeatedly restores his or her preferred version is edit warring, whether or not the edits were justifiable: it is no defense to say "but my edits were right, so it wasn't edit warring"."
 * You have overridden the content I removed by replacing it with your own content. In so doing, you have not only created animosity where animosity did not need to be created, you also are engaging in edit warring behavior.  Discussion was started by me on both article talk pages, you ignored both and started your own discussions as if my attempts at discussion did not exist.  None of these actions by you say "cooperative".
 * The Sound of Contact article and the Dimensionaut articles are separate. Discussion regarding each article needs to happen at each of the pages, not at a related page.  This keeps a trail of discussion in the archives for those editing or inquiring in the future.  We are not and never will be the only editors involved at these articles.
 * I will be attempting to get this resolved through avenues other than article talk page discussions. Previous attempts to do so with you have proven tedious and futile through your use of Wikilawyering, endless arguing of the same point(s) over and over, and the continuous exercise on your part of WP:IDHT.  I will notify you where and when I take this up with others for comment and assistance. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓  21:19, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * For your information:
 * Because of his administrative involvement in the last edit warring episode(s) at Dimensionaut (see here:), I have made Bbb23 aware of the edit warring warnings and the events surround same here:. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 22:23, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Trying one more time to compromise. Both promotion sections for the Dimensionaut article and the SoC article have been rewritten in regard to the Prog tour in order to eliminate the possibility of using WP:CRYSTAL.  Extraneous and irrelevant detail has also been removed as well as references that are no longer relevant and no longer support the corrections surrounding the tour cancellation. Hopefully, this will end the content dispute and keep you from further edit warring at these articles.  -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓  01:56, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * No "notification trail" needed to be made. To remove what I had written in the first place is a sign of edit warring. You had not attempted to compromise at all prior to now, but I see you have decided to leave all of the information regarding the tour's cancellation, the initial scheduling, and the recent events intact. It seems everything you had so aggressively wished to remove still remains in the article. I am glad you have had a change of opinion; rewording it is fine, removing it without consensus is not. I have read the discussion at and am glad you have decided not to insist on removing information without consensus immediately after the new content has been written. I have always been open to reaching consensus on changes, and if you can gather the support of others for the removal of information, that is fine. Remember our discussion in July: the easiest way to work cooperatively is to seek consensus for the removal of information, not addition.


 * As of now, the information you wished to remove initially still remains, although you have rewritten it. That is a fine compromise. Good of you to cooperate. As I have said, if you feel strongly enough something that it should be removed, then you can ask others for their opinions. If others agree with you that the content in question should be removed (and if it truly deserves to be removed, others will most definitely agree), then consensus can be reached on the removal of content. This is a more productive method of resolving a content dispute than simply removing new content and having other users approve of every new addition to the articles. Vuzor (talk) 02:43, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Simon Collins. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 04:55, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

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It appears that you edited remarks at WP:ANI that had been made by user WP:Winklevi. Editing another editor's comments at talk pages and noticeboards is not permitted. If you disagree with another editor, insert your own comments rather than editing the other editor's comments. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:22, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * It must have been an edit conflict. I will add that material back. As seen here, I always want transparency. Sorry for the confusion. Vuzor (talk) 21:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually, it may be wiser if you or someone else edit it back. Thanks. Vuzor (talk) 21:27, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't see which edit involved me removing content by User:Winkelvi. Could I be shown a diff of that, please. Thanks. Vuzor (talk) 21:31, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Here's the diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=606821096&oldid=606820931 Robert McClenon (talk) 22:12, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look like an edit conflict, although it may have been mistaken response to an edit conflict. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:12, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I had the "edit page" window open while I was editing my own comment. It must have overwritten another comment when I clicked "save page." Since then, I've decided my method will be to open up another window, open up a new version of the "edit page" window and post it there. Wikipedia did not warn me about an edit conflict, so I wasn't aware until you messaged me. Sorry about that. (By the way, I don't think I can view the diff as it says: "You cannot view this diff because one or both of the revisions have been removed from the public archives.") Vuzor (talk) 22:14, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * What the fuck? You removed my comments?  I have already replaced them after being notified by User:Robert McClenon.  -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  21:35, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Calm down, Winkelvi. It must have been from an edit conflict. You did the exact same thing yesterday. It was not intentional. I was not accusatory of you yesterday. It's because we're both typing on the same page at the same time :


 * "You overwrote a portion of my last comment here? [229] Vuzor (talk) 05:05, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Not intentionally. It was likely due to an edit conflict. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 05:18, 2 May 2014 (UTC)"
 * Vuzor (talk) 21:40, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Simon Collins. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.''You restored your preferred version of the article under the guise of fixing references and are disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. I specifically asked for discussion, you chose to edit war instead.'' -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 13:31, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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