User talk:Vycl1994/archive2

Elizabeth Lee (pharmacist)
Please move the article back to R v Lee, the change was a consensus at Articles for deletion/Elizabeth Lee (pharmacist) for the reason that while the case may be notable, Elizabeth Lee as is not for the purposes of a biography. SeraphWiki (talk) 02:12, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done I've also edited the lede so that it introduces the case, and not the defendant, which is what threw me off in the first place. Vycl1994 (talk) 03:01, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Morley Shih (prosecutor and judge)
Thank you for your contribution for the page Morley Shih. Your previous revision before September 2017 showed that Shih was indicted on charges of fraud, which is not totally true. The fact is that the loose regulation for the special funds resulted in the charges, and thus these have been decriminalized in 2011. The related reference has been added in the page. However, the incorrect information from your revision has spread out for a while. Thus, I am interested in knowing if you received any request to write the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OfficeAccount (talk • contribs) 07:58, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I have written several politicians' biographies simply because I'm interested in politics. I did not mean to write an attack page, nor do I have a conflict of interest. I simply was not aware that the regulations had decriminalized Shih's actions. Thank you for updating the article with independent reliable sources. Vycl1994 (talk) 15:45, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Findagrave
I noticed you removed the findagrave reference on an article I created about a 19th century Virginia legislator and Confederate soldier, Robert E. Grant (dentist). IMHO the Wikipedia policy allows rare use of findagrave and ancestry.com, in both instances where the information is not available elsewhere. Here, understanding these men's backgrounds is crucial for understanding the era, and ancestry.com links to findagrave.com, which has a photo of gravestone as well as its location (both of which are important to people like these who meet Wikipedia's notability criteria). I tried including just findagrave number, but another editor objected to that. Eliminating all findagrave references per the policy you cited seems unwarranted.Jweaver28 (talk) 16:19, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * What I cited in removing Find A Grave is a guideline, not policy, but, still, I would strongly suggest reviewing those links I left in my edit summary. Specifically, I encourage looking to the state blue book or equivalent publication to see if the information can be verified. If so, use those those sources instead, as they are regarded as more reliable, than user generated content. The reliability of Wikipedia has been questioned before, and specific sources of user-generated content have been looked down upon, including IMDb and Wikipedia itself. As an example, look into the edit history of John Kooiker. I'd used Find A Grave as a reference because I did not find an obituary published in the local paper elsewhere on the web. When another editor approached me about the reliability of Find A Grave, I managed to find the same reference I wanted hosted on the website of a local historical society, and no longer contested the removal of Find A Grave. Vycl1994 (talk) 17:00, 16 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Unfortunately, I can't find a reference in a local historical society publication, though I do try to do such, in this casepresumably because of the distances involved. The problem is especially acute for African-Americans and Republicans in the South in this era, and of course if someone found such a reference I would have no objection to removing the findagrave one. FYI, the equivalent of the Blue Book in Virginia only began early in the next century and West Virginia and elsewhere much later.
 * I also understand the reliability issue. Right now, as I'm trying to update this much-used laptop with the problematic space bar (and whose Malwarebytes scan wouldn't complete over theweekend) and what I hope will become its replacement (another windows 10 update just having failed, seemingly for the umpteenth time), I'm about to revise the Jefferson Davis article, which had major issues in the former "Later Life" section. It seemingly falsely states that he was elected a Senator from Mississippi in 1875. I managed to find the modern biography and have read about half of its explanation of his later life, whichlike theAppleton's Encyclopedia article from 1915 (readily available online) doesn't reflect the Davis article text as it stood as of Sunday (when I noticed several errors and started a cleanup during another attempt at the same updates, but with fewer library resources available). I'm writing at some length not only because the security updates are attempting to start yet again, but because the findagrave issue keeps coming up with subarticles. For example, Davis's book (The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government, which has two wikipedia problem tags at the top) was actually started by a former Confederate officer turned life insurance salesman named W.T. Walthall(1820-1899), who was politically active in Alabama but has no Wikipedia article. Appleton's rejected the draft as arguing constitutional law instead of setting out history, and when Davis said he really hadn't supervisedthe man, Appletons sent out William Jewett Tenney, who does have a Wikipedia article, although without any sources nor mention of his politics or that ghostwriting. At least I can read birth and death years from Walthall's pictured gravestone, and if I or someone posts a Wikipedia article for him, the Davis book entry might be more intelligible, as would be his civil war correspondence in Wikimedia.
 * Sorry if this sounds like venting, but I've also gotten a couple of no message phone callstoday presumably from strangers. The first came after 2-911 calls on the highway dropped without showing in my phone log as I attempted to report an unsafe driver, and when I parked and attemptedto txt the number, my carrier said it didn't exist; the second call came minutes after my morning Wikipedia edit to the Jefferson Davis talk page. In April 2014 a guy representing a sleazy group of attorneys and real estate investors promised to continue to harass me including via phone and cyber until I "shut up online". While they're persistent, it's tiresome and unproductive.Jweaver28 (talk) 20:18, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

AfC Cleanup
Hiya! I just wanted to thank you formally for cleaning up my recent AfC approves, I'm trying to get better at cleaning them up before hand. Anywho, it's a thankless job and one I wish more people would do, so thanks! Drewmutt ( ^ᴥ^ ) talk  01:18, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm no good at scripts or anything necessitating customization, so I do what I can! Thanks to you for being an AFC regular. Vycl1994 (talk) 01:42, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Taiwan earthquakes in 2018
I understand only those big earthquakes shall be made its articles, e.g. those more than 5 or 6 magnitude with big casualties. But I was just thinking where to list down the complete lists of the main earthquake and all of its subsequent aftershocks or smaller earthquakes (less than 5 or 4 magnitudes). It should be listed somewhere (with data & time sequencing of its occurrence) because these data are important enough for 中央氣象局 to release to the public to predict whether another bigger earthquake is waiting to happen anytime soon. e.g. as what was described in this news article (http://focustaiwan.tw/news/asoc/201802070025.aspx). Chongkian (talk) 00:37, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I first learned about earthquake notability by looking into the situation after this edit. I tried to be concise in my edit summary, but still almost ran out of room. What I meant to suggest is that if reliable sources describe lesser seismic activity as aftershocks of a larger event, then it should be included in the article about the main quake. However, other editors may regard mentioning aftershocks trivial or routine because they are too small, or did not cause significant damage. Because I do not often edit about natural disasters, perhaps another editor with more experience in that area will opine if you reach out via related talk pages, for instance Talk:2018 Hualien earthquake. Vycl1994 (talk) 01:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: PeiJu Chien-Pott (March 10)
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A barnstar for you! (Diligence)

 * Likewise, . AFC review is beyond my technical ability. Vycl1994 (talk) 03:02, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Recalling the right categories and wikiprojects is outside my skills. I've memorized the Notability guidelines and CSD reasons instead. Legacypac (talk) 03:06, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

IP 123.192.39.95、User:Eaaarataha、User:13579ol、User:Swordissword、User:Pooiiu、User:A8756 are User:Jessechi's Sock puppetries
Hello, I am one of Chinese Wikipedia administrators. About 2018 in Taiwan, you may feel weird for edit of IP 123.192.39.95、User:Eaaarataha、User:13579ol、User:Swordissword、User:Pooiiu、 and User:A8756.

No doubt.They are all User:Jessechi's Sock puppetries. He is a long-term Wikipedia vandal in Chinese Wikipedia.--Outlookxp (talk) 11:19, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification . I have reported the situation to WP:ANI, and will let more experienced editors handle it. Vycl1994 (talk) 17:23, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * To respond to your question, after I ran a check, it is apparent that they are abusing multiple accounts here on English Wikipedia as well, and therefore I have blocked all of the connected accounts here. Further check is probably unnecessary unless if their disruptive editing continues elsewhere. Regards, Alex Shih (talk) 18:25, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Jessechi's Sock puppetry--Outlookxp (talk) 02:14, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * , The update is appreciated. I see that the account has been globally locked, so there is no suitable action for me to take. Vycl1994 (talk) 12:41, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Authority control
Hi Vycl1994, thanks for adding authority control info to Wikidata and articles! However, the automatically generated Worldcat links seem often incorrect, see this for Chen Xiaolu. and this for Li Zhengyou. Any idea how to fix that? Thanks, -Zanhe (talk) 00:23, 21 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for bringing those Worldcat errors to my attention, although I admit I do not know what to do. I reviewed them and confirmed that they are wrong, but the other links included in authority control for those those articles (VIAF, LCCN, GND) are not incorrect. As such, I believe they should not be removed from Wikidata. Perhaps a new section should be started at WP:VIAF/errors just for worldcat inaccuracies. Though I contribute to that page quite often, I do not know who is currently responsible for communicating errors to OCLC. Vycl1994 (talk) 00:39, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of V.K. Finnish for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article V.K. Finnish is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/V.K. Finnish until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Drewmutt ( ^ᴥ^ ) talk  16:29, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Álvaro Lapuerta
I wanted to thank you for creating such a very well sourced article! I wanted to encourage you to continue (if possible) to expand the article with well reliable sources such as in the career section. If you keep up the work the article can even be nominated in the "Recent Deaths" section of the Wikipedia's Main page's In the News section! Good work! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:35, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the compliment. However, it seems that Álvaro Lapuerta is at the point where I seem to end expansion efforts. Several other WP:NPOL creations of mine end up at 6kB and go no further. I created Denis Voronenkov, but had nothing to do with its expansion to RD, and shared credit for Leslie Koo. There, contributed most of the content. For Lapuerta to reach RD, a native Spanish speaker may have to be contacted. Vycl1994 (talk) 09:12, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah I see, but work works are very good as you create articles with well sourced content! I am a native speaker myself, I'll try to expand the article properly with the sources needed. Good work again! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:18, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Baronets
I've reversed your moves on the Chapman baronet: see Naming conventions (royalty and nobility), item 3. Choess (talk) 17:51, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Halszka Wasilewska: There are two of them!
I have just picked up your notification about pinning the English article to Wikidata Q label about the Polish article of the same name. They are two different individuals separated by almost 50 years. The English article concerns a military figure and war veteran born in 1899. The Polish article is about a TV personality born in 1942. Perhaps the label needs to be disconnected? Kind regards,--Po Mieczu (talk) 15:07, 15 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Apologies for my error. The military figure was rightly removed from the Wikidata item meant for the journalist. Halszka Wasilewska on the English Wikipedia now has a standalone Wikidata label at d:Q55064380. Vycl1994 (talk) 15:43, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * , thank you for your alert and standalone label. Regards,--Po Mieczu (talk) 15:58, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

AFD help
Help for Tsai Ling-yi, got AfD-tagged :( .. Not enough resources in English language. Maybe you can add more from the Chinese language resource. Chongkian (talk) 00:38, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Kent categories
You're quicker with Hotcat than my brain can process. lol --CNMall41 (talk) 01:07, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * In turn, thanks for reviewing drafts at AFC. It's is a big project, but I've never reviewed anything. For the moment, I'm content watching Articles for creation/recent and finishing cleanup. Vycl1994 (talk) 01:30, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * And that is much appreciated as well. We are getting our ass kicked over there at the moment. Thanks again. --CNMall41 (talk) 01:34, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Sportspoeple from Rapid City, South Dakota


A tag has been placed on Category:Sportspoeple from Rapid City, South Dakota requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

"typo. correct category has been created. we should not have this redirect!"

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, pages that meet certain criteria may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. gidonb (talk) 02:08, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

October 2018
Hello, I'm Toddst1. I noticed that you made one or more changes to an article, Colleen Conway-Welch, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Sources go in the article, in-line, not in the edit summary. See WP:CITE. Toddst1 (talk) 02:51, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! (Real Life)

 * In turn, thank you for contributing to Wikipedia with your first article, and welcome to the project. Vycl1994 (talk) 22:13, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:42, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Time passes, and the pace of my content creation slows, but precious means as much now as it did when I was first honored. Vycl1994 (talk) 11:16, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Wu Zhaonan
Thanks for improving Wu Zhaonan. I've nominated the article for DYK and listed you as a co-author, see Template:Did you know nominations/Wu Zhaonan. Please feel free to add your comments to the page. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 04:33, 7 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I did not mean to ignore this,, but after reading the DYK reviewing guide, it seems that an uninvolved editor must look the article over and approve it, so I don't know exactly what I can offer by commenting further, especially since I haven't thought of suitable alternate hooks. To be honest, I haven't learned much of anything about main page processes in my time here, and usually end up pleasantly surprised that any of my contributions end up on the main page, every time because some other editor has nominated (and improved) them. Vycl1994 (talk) 07:54, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Of course you're not required to do anything. Just saying that if a reviewer raises any question, you may wish to add your comment, but there's no obligation. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 08:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

ROC 2018 local election
ok, looks like we will have a massive edit works to do today & tomorrow after the official election results announced by the CEC by 8 p.m. tonight. Chongkian (talk) 07:34, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * uhm, i think we need more early life story of Han Kuo-yu after he joined Legislative Yuan in 1992 until before he joined KMT chairmanship election in 2017. Chongkian (talk) 00:39, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Specifically, we're missing his term on the Taipei County Council and appointment as deputy mayor of Zhonghe District. Vycl1994 (talk) 04:18, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Wu Zhaonan
Vanamonde (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! (Original)

 * Thanks, . Personalized credit and attention such as this is warmly received, but feels slightly awkward, if I'm honest. I'm perfectly happy to fade into the background of this large collaborative project. Vycl1994 (talk) 17:15, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Mari Yoshihara


A tag has been placed on Mari Yoshihara requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a real person or group of people that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. Daiyusha (talk) 05:54, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * as I and another experienced reviewer has found, this nomination was not correct. what you had was enough to show likely notability. But there's a continued problem with some of your articles. It is not a good idea to just write the minimum. I almost deleted Chen Lan-bo before I checked google scholar and found that he unquestionably met wp;prof. I know enough that someone in academia sinica is very likely to have quite impressive publication--and there's a good chance just membership  in that academy is enough to  pass wp:prof  Many new editors here are not aware of the detail of our notability rules and our criteria for speedy,  and the complicated way we interpret them. therefore,  an article has to show enough of the person's career, that they will understand the importance. You focused this one on his comments on various political events, and his involvement in some new companies, but there is no particular significance to that. You should have added at least the   dates of his appointments, the specific area he worked in, and the most cited papers from google scholar.
 * If you do not add sufficient material it makes work for the very small number of overworked people who do the reviewing and the deleting. It takes time to check an article listed for deletion when it isn't obvious, and it takes time to fix it. You as the first contributor should be doing that.  DGG ( talk ) 22:34, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * With regards to Chen Lan-bo, a sourced claim to WP:NACADEMIC#3 was present in the article upon creation. His political and business activity does seem pertinent, but I worried about WP:COATRACKING. (for more detail see 中裕新藥 and 宇昌案, both in Chinese, or Tsai Ing-wen for a passing mention) Vycl1994 (talk) 01:36, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Invitation to the discussion
I kindly invite you to the discussion in Talk:2016 Taiwan presidential election to decide whether to include the term "Republic of China" in the election infobox and the lead section as it is the official name of the country. Thank you. Lmmnhn (talk) 10:22, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Ferguson and Muller: Update
Thanks very much for creating the Siemon Muller article; I was just about to create one (I had noticed earlier that he linked to Permafrost). I'll probably add some stuff to it. And thanks for the Harris Isbell cleanups.Finney1234 (talk) 21:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

And thanks for creating the James Gilluly article as well! And for all your image/copyright advice.

I can't figure out a way to message you besides this talk page, but to the extent you engage in "Did you know" reviews, I self-nominated Henry G. Ferguson. My main point here is to give a largely-forgotten geologist some credit. Finney1234 (talk) 20:35, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The use of article talk pages to discuss article space is correct, as is the use of user talk space to contact fellow editors. Some editors have email accounts linked to their Wikipedia accounts, but each editor chooses whether or not to directly answer emails relating to Wikipedia. As such, talk page use is the recommended course of action to initiate and maintain contact.


 * Regarding Ferguson and DYK, I've just recently started contributing to DYK, so I know I am in fact not the best person to ask about the steps to take there. As far as I can tell, you've done everything correctly, and can only wait for review. I am unsure about doing the review myself because I have moved the page to article space and cleaned it up some, though I've contributed no new text. Just to be safe, I would suggest waiting for a fully independent reviewer. Vycl1994 (talk) 22:01, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Since you've done a wonderful job of creating new stub-ish articles for un-wikipedia'd geologists, if you're bored, I just added a reference to Stanley Holman (SH) Cathcart to the Henry G. Ferguson article (I know little about him). I did do some updates to the Siemon Muller article.Finney1234 (talk) 22:20, 16 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind words. In a rudimentary search I found this journal article, which is also listed here, but I cannot access it. It seems that this blurb also references Cathcart. Vycl1994 (talk) 22:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Yeah, there's a first page here, but the rest is behind a paywall.Finney1234 (talk)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors!
Thanks again :-) --  Doc James  along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 17:41, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Chang Ya-chung
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Gao Changqing
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Mistakes
If you are going to go a-messing with main page articles, you really ought to try reading the policies you refer to - for example this bit. Or stay away. Johnbod (talk) 16:20, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * This is the edit in question. Sir was not present before my contribution. That is, I did not remove it, I just forgot to add it. Apologies. Vycl1994 (talk) 17:18, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, fair enough. But you need to be careful about taking "Errors" on TRM's private page at face value. Many aren't. Johnbod (talk) 17:23, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * You've lost me. I've made a few suggestions on WP:ERRORS quite a long time ago, but left the Main Page alone until recently contributing to DYK. I've not coordinated with anyone on small copyedits, such as these, simllar to and just prior to the Seddon edit. Vycl1994 (talk) 17:34, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I assumed you'd picked the issue up from the dark side. Best avoided. Johnbod (talk) 18:16, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Mangelsen
I appreciate your intent, but you really should not move another editor's article Thomas D. Mangelsen without notifying them first. Usually, page moves like this go through a consensus phase first. There is a process for moving pages that you can institute. Also, MOS:INITIALS doesn't apply to article titles actually but to referring to the subject in the article. And moving a page while it is in DYK is very disruptive. It also breaks many wikilinks at a time that is most inconvenient, most of all links inside the DYK template. Please discuss any page moves with editors first in the future, thanks much. Please see Requested moves. dawnleelynn(talk) 17:20, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for contributing to DYK. I apologize for not letting you know about the move in subsequent edits. Perhaps leaving a link to WP:INITS would have been a better edit summary for the move. During the move, a redirect was left from the old article title to the new one. There should be no broken redlinks, as all previous mentions of the old title should redirect to the current title. If there are redlinks, let me know, and I will fix them. Additionally, when I removed Mangelsen's YouTube channel from the artcle's external links section, I left a wikilink to WP:ELMINOFFICIAL. His official site already links to his YouTube channel as well as his Facebook, Instagram, and Pintrest profiles, so those social media links are unnecessary. Vycl1994 (talk) 17:46, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I removed the link to Mangelsen's YouTube home page since there is a spot on his web site where all his videos can be found. I prefer to highlight a couple videos about 399, one is hard to find on his web site and one that goes with it. The bear known as Grizzly 399 is especially important to his work. dawnleelynn(talk) 18:08, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * My first message here was too brusque; I was annoyed. I think it would have been sufficient to point out the policy and suggest checking talk pages out before making major changes to an article. Also, I see you removed two diffusing categories, thanks.
 * However, I have been thinking over this article move and the DYK process. It just occurs to me that when the DYKBot runs to give my article credit after it is over, it will try to update my article using the old name. I'm going to ask if this will be an issue from one of the DYK editors that I happen to know. Will let you know. dawnleelynn(talk) 23:51, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, wow, I can't edit the nomination template anymore...oops? dawnleelynn(talk) 23:52, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * It's still here and not closed yet, as far as I can tell. Vycl1994 (talk) 23:59, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, right I can see it, just not edit it. Thanks though. I just sent a message to Yoninah, but she may not be active this late. If she doesn't reply within an hour, I have others I can ask. dawnleelynn(talk) 00:03, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yoninah was able to adjust the nomination template so that it could be edited again. Yoninah also made an adjustment to the nomination template so the bot that gives the credit for the DYK would be able to do so after the DYK was done running. Now the article title appears correctly in the nomination template except for one label. Anyway, it should be obvious going forward that checking the talk page should be a step in the process before making major changes to an article. There are other processes that it would be best to wait on in addition to DYKs. Also, FAs (and probably GAs too) would be a case where a page move should be discussed first. You wouldn't want to do a page move on a page where a page move request was in process on the talk page. There could be an article split request, an article merge request, etc. I'm sure you get the idea. I learned some good things today, thanks. dawnleelynn(talk) 04:41, 26 February 2019 (UTC) p.s. Changing a word in an article title when the article was in DYK could cause a hook to not make sense...recommend not changing article titles on articles while in DYK...or am I stating the obvious? dawnleelynn(talk) 06:14, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I've taken a look at the fix to the Mangelsen nomination template, which does not seem complex, and I will remember to adjust nomination templates in that manner when necessary. I reread the nomination before the fix was applied and noticed no glaring grammar issues. If a resulting redirect did not make sense, I would have piped it. The introduction to Wikipedia:Requested moves states that the process should be used for technical reasons, undiscussed moves or controversial moves. WP:INITS is part of the English Wikipedia naming conventions for people, and MOS:INITS is a component of the English Wikipedia Manual of Style. Both the naming conventions and the manual of style are guidelines. Following such guidelines is an action backed by longstanding consensus and presumably is not controversial. Starting a requested move to rehash naming conventions or the manual of style would have resulted in a kindly reminder similar to this. However, in the Mangelsen case, the use of WP:RMTR would be unnecessary because there was nothing blocking a move to the title containing a full stop and any autoconfirmed editor could have performed it. In this instance, the mover just happened to be me. Vycl1994 (talk) 04:19, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, you almost got me to the correct policy now. Let me just take it home for you. First of all, you tried to use the MOS:INITIALS policy to prove that a middle name initial should have a period after it. But if you read this portion in context with the rest of the page, it falls under the lead section of an article as part 1. It then mentions 2.1 First mention and then 2.3 Initials. So it is not talking about an article title here but the body of the article. You were right about the initials but trying to get the proof from the wrong policy.


 * Okay, now that we got that straight, I tried to use the policy I quoted back to you to show that there isn't anyplace that requires the middle initial to have a period, namely this policy Requested moves. And it doesn't say the period is required. However, the new policy you sent me this evening does make things clearer, and I have not seen it before. There are so many policies! LOL Anyway, I ignored MOS:INIT again as stated before it only applies to the body of an article. But paid specific attention to your new link to WP:INITS. Which led me to the following policy Manual of Style/Biography which gives very specific instructions about using initials in names for article titles. This policy is what you want to use the next time around. In the case of Mangelsen, this applies: "Use initials in a personal name[b] only if the name is commonly written that way."


 * Regarding WP:RMTR, a move request can also be done solely on the talk page. See Talk:Built_Ford_Tough_Series. You never know when a page move might be controversial.


 * Regarding your comment, " I will remember to adjust nomination templates in that manner when necessary." Why would that be necessary? Surely you don't intend to do any more page moves or other major actions while articles are in DYK? Anyway, you persevered, and we finally found the right policy. Thanks for your diligence; it's important to me to have the right information. <i style="color:#800000;">dawnleelynn</i>(talk) 05:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Initials link above is the long form of the MOS:INITIALS link I originally left in my edit summary. That same manual of style section also says "An initial is capitalized and is followed by a full point (period) and a space (e.g. J. R. R. Tolkien), unless:


 * the person demonstrably has a different, consistently preferred style for his or her own name; and
 * an overwhelming majority of reliable sources use that variant style for that person." The listed caveats did not seem to apply to Mangelsen because I also provided links to YouTube videos uploaded to his account that includes titles with a full stop in his name. Vycl1994 (talk) 13:14, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Okay, try reading that section sometime and see how it consistently talks about content in the body of the article from top to bottom. From the Lead Section down to Authority Control. It's talking about how to address people in the article itself. First it talks about how to address them at the first mention, then in reoccurring mentions, etc. It talks about how they should be addressed in the lead sentence, etc.

From that same section you quoted me, here's another quote right after that: "In article text, a space after an initial (or an initial and a full point) and before another initial should be a non-breaking space: J. R. R. Tolkien (or use the template). This even works inside links: J. R. R. Tolkien, though only with   markup, not the template."

Notice it says, "In article text" what more can be said. This bit applies to article text, not to article titles. <i style="color:#800000;">dawnleelynn</i>(talk) 17:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * In turn, WP:INITS, a naming convention, applies the formatting guidelines of MOS:INITS to article titles, which I also should have mentioned. Vycl1994 (talk) 17:25, 28 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Even better, as these INITIALS policies seem confusing, I found Article titles which showed me Manual_of_Style which is so much clearer. It says "Capitalize the initial letter (except in rare cases, such as eBay), but otherwise follow sentence case[a]." Which is very clear it's talking about article titles. But it also makes your other point, "Subject both to the above and to WP:Article titles, the rest of the MoS, particularly § Punctuation, applies also to the title." So here is where you can quote in future that policies like MOS:INITIALS and others do apply to article titles. <i style="color:#800000;">dawnleelynn</i>(talk) 18:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Chen Chao-long
— Maile (talk) 12:01, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Chuang Shu-chi
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Asahi India Glass Limited
Let me begin by thanking you for your contributions on the page. However, I do have a question/query. Please let me know why you have placed a redirect on the original page/title. Is it because the acronym of the company is irrelevant in the title? If not, would you please elaborate? Also, in case this is how it must be done, what should be done to the other page? Should it be nominated for deletion because it has no value now. Please let me know. Thank you in advance. Floyd1965 (talk) 08:32, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I moved the page, per Wikipedia's naming conventions on companies and disambiguation as well as WP:NCA. Page moves automatically create redirects that can usually be left alone. If you feel strongly that the redirect should be deleted, make the case at redirects for discussion or see if any of the speedy deletion criteria regarding redirects apply. Editors with the page mover user right (which I am not) can move pages without leaving a redirect. Vycl1994 (talk) 15:30, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Chiu Hsien-chih
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Article review: Sabana Grande (Caracas)
Hey. The Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabana_Grande,_Caracas has been vandalised by Jamez42. 100,000 characters have been deleted and several quotes/sources from relevant authors and academicians.

Please, I kindly ask you to review the article.

--QuinteroP (talk) 09:33, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Why did you write to 14 editors and didn't ping me? The edit was not vandalism, and you have already opened a peer review of the article. --Jamez42 (talk) 16:18, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Felipe Reinoso
Hello! Your submission of Felipe Reinoso at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! RRD (talk) 17:08, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Justin Huang help
Hi Vycl1994,

Can help to expand the biography of Justin Huang? Parts which are still missing/incomplete are his early career life (after graduation before entering politics at National Assembly), his general works during his tenure in Legislative Yuan (i've added all of his 3 legislative election results for easy navigation/timeline-based sections), his detailed works during Taitung County Magistrate (as in what policies he proposed and works carried out during his terms). We need to fully write this one first before focusing on any of his scandals as suggested by other editors in the talk page of that article regarding the Miramar Resort thingy. I've made many deletion/re-writing on that article in which not everyone can fully accept such reasoning. Chongkian (talk) 04:39, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Norio Kaifu's article
Thanks for your insights on Norio Kaifu's article. I redid the AFC review so it is accepted through there now. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:56, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the AfC acceptance, and for letting me know about it. I'm unlikely to understand user scripts any time soon so I'm quite limited there. Vycl1994 (talk) 00:40, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Constantinou
Hi there, thanks for this edit. I hate it when people create duplicate drafts/articles under different names. Wish I had seen the existing article before wasting my time on the review. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 23:33, 18 April 2019 (UTC)


 * No problem. I am not good with the AfC helper script, and don't do reviews for that reason. However, it isn't the first time I've seen duplicate drafts. See Talk:Aleksandr Nikitenko, for instance. Could a maintainer add a function to the script to look for those? It might be especially useful for searching for biographical articles titled with Spanish or Portuguese double surnames. Vycl1994 (talk) 23:49, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Jinjiang–Kinmen Pipeline
Hi Vycl1994,

I've just created this article named Jinjiang–Kinmen Pipeline, another cross-strait relations's milestone in terms of joint-project development (after the submarine telecommunication cable construction between Kinmen and Xiamen in 2013). However, I couldn't really find what is the official name (Taiwan's or Mainland China's version) of this project in zh language, so I just choose Jinjiang-Kinmen Pipeline, putting the origin and destination city/town's name of the pipeline. You have any idea or information for this naming in zh? Thanks Chongkian (talk) 00:42, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Red Circle Authors
Thank you for the various tidy ups and changes on Red Circle Authors. I reverted your removed of author names in Japanese as two names were deleted in error when you converted them. Thanks User: Vycl1994 --WikiGeoffrey (talk) 18:09, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * When did I remove links? The ill (the interlanguage link) template provides links to foreign language Wikipedia articles, when those articles exist. For instance clicking on "ja" in Randy Taguchi leads to ja:田口ランディ, and the redlink Randy Taguchi shows that an English Wikipedia article about that subject does not yet exist. I provided an interlanguage link for every redlink I made. Six writers are listed here, and those six writers remain here, so I did not remove any links. In my edit I also removed the native names of the authors reasoning that, English Wikipedia readers are not expected to be fluent in Japanese, so listing Japanese language names in articles not about the authors themselves is too much detail. As an example, the English article Shinzō Abe gives his name 安倍 晋三 because that information is important about Abe. The Abe article's link to Shigeru Ishiba appears to be "Shigeru Ishiba," not "Shigeru Ishiba (石破 茂)." Vycl1994 (talk) 18:38, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Vycl1994 . This is my misunderstanding. What I am trying to do is provide links to both the profiles some of these authors have in English and Japanese, trying to be helpful. I know many people/translators often want to search on the Japanese names and English names. We should follow the right Wikipedia etiquette on this. I am new to this and am trying to be helpful to the reader. Thank you again for making the improvements and reverting your changes. I was trying to do the same with double links but at a much slower pace. Your examples are also educational for me! Thank you. --WikiGeoffrey (talk) 18:57, 28 April 2019 (UTC)  18:50, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to help out wherever I can. Happy editing! Vycl1994 (talk) 19:28, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Satya Rhodes-Conway
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of C. Daniel Johnson for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article C. Daniel Johnson is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/C. Daniel Johnson until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.  Orville1974  (talk) 17:16, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Bailey v. Patterson
My error--I've now deleted it. Thanks for notifying me.  DGG ( talk ) 15:44, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! (Categorisation)

 * Thank you, . I am thankful that fellow editors like you believe my contributions are valuable enough to be recognized this way. Vycl1994 (talk) 15:42, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ping Hsin-tao
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Felipe Reinoso
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! (Writer's)

 * Thanks,, although I will note that other editors made key additions and suggestions that helped the article clear the final hurdles at DYK. Vycl1994 (talk) 18:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * [Thank you for the ping] this article is not bad in the slightest, so give yourself a bit of credit! Of course, Wikipedia is a collaborative process, but you got the ball rolling. &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 18:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)