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Non-binary gender userbox; European medical measurement photo(s)
Do you think you could make a userbox using this symbol and the text "This user is a gender other than male or female", in the style of your other gender userboxes?

Also, I'm working on a draft for European Health Examination Survey (it's in my sandbox at the moment) and noticed when I started looking for illustrative images that all the photos of phlebotomy on Commons seem to have been taken in North America or Asia. Ideally photos for the article would have been taken during an EHES program, but I'll settle for 'taken in an EHES country'. Besides blood being drawn, I thought medical personnel taking a participant's blood pressure, weight and/or height (we have combination scale/height-measurement devices here, I don't know about there), or their waist measurement, would be most appropriate. (If you have other ideas for relevant photos, I'm open to suggestions.) Even less rush than usual around here, but I thought I would go ahead and ask, since you make a hobby of taking good photos of mundane subjects for Wikipedia use. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 12:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello GrammarFascist! About userbox: Sure, I'll fix it. I'll get back to you as soon as it's done. About the photos: I would love to be able to help you with those, but there are a couple of problems. There are many strict rules and regulations about taking photos in medical clinics in Sweden (patient confidentiality, security and such) so I can not simply walk in somewhere and take pictures. I have also recently moved to a new town, and I don't know anyone here well enough yet to ask them to model for weighing or measuring. But I will think about it and help you look for appropriate pictures since I know my way around the Commons pretty well. At a quick glance I found this pic. It is taken in Dresden, Germany, so from what I can tell, it would fit your request.


 * On another note: I looked at the draft of the article you have in your sandbox. You may not be aware of this but the logo for the organization that is a fair use image, can only be used in the very article for which the permission is given, displaying it in your sandbox (which is regarded as a personal page) is a copyright violation. You will have to remove it for now and only put it in the article once it is accepted into the main space. Sandboxes and drafts are sort of a grey area, but better safe than sorry. I think you can work on the article without the logo. ;) Cheers, w.carter -Talk  13:27, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ A brand new userbox is now ready to be used by anyone who so wishes. :) I have also read your draft more thoroughly as well as searched the Commons. No luck with new European pictures yet. I 'll get back to you if some bright idea should strike me. Small tip about your text. All the names of the countries should not be linked. See WP:OVERLINK "What generally should not be linked – The names of major geographic features and locations, languages, and religions". As soon as I accidentally link "Sweden" in my articles, there is always some helpful editor removing that link. :) Best, w.carter -Talk  15:27, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, that userbox is perfect, and I've now added it to my user page. Thanks so much!


 * About the photos, yes, of course the people in the photo (especially the patient) would have to consent to having the photo taken and used on Wikipedia; it would be much the same here, though I'm perhaps overly-optimistic about people's willingness to have a photo of them having blood drawn or their weight measured be on the internet where millions of people might see it. I wouldn't mind being in such a photo myself, but I acknowledge that I'm weird. I do understand about being new to the area and not wanting to be known as "that Wikipedia weirdo"! Thanks for finding the blood pressure photo from Germany, which I think would indeed work well.


 * I'm familiar with the issue of overlinking, but my thinking was that 1) lots of people (okay mainly Americans) don't know where countries like Malta or Slovenia are, so a link at the first instance of the name in an article seems appropriate; 2) I don't know where to draw the line between "who's heard of Malta?" and "everyone has heard of Sweden." If another editor takes the links out once the article moves into mainspace, though, I wouldn't edit war over it. It's not like it's hard to type a term into the search box.


 * Thanks for the heads up about the logo displaying in namespace. It hadn't occurred to me that that would be a problem, though I see why it would be. I will disable display of the logo for now, especially since I'm satisfied with how it appears in the infobox and don't need to keep looking at it. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 15:58, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * P.S. Could you explain what patrolling a page does / is for? I read Patrolling but I'm still unclear on the concept... — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 16:07, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Page patrolling is just the first check that a new page is ok and that there is nothing irregular or damaging on it. When a new page is created there will appear a small text in one of the bottom corners that says "Mark this page as patrolled". The text is visible to anyone except the editor who created the page. So when I visited your pages I just clicked on that text and ticked them of as ok. You can do me the same favor for my new page where the code of the new userbox is kept: User:W.carter/Userbox other gender if you like. If you come across other pages with that line you can see if the page seems ok and mark them as patrolled, if not ok leave them be. This way you lighten the load for the people at the new page feed. As for the countries, the Wikiway is that all countries are equally "known" at least in MOS. Anything on the level below "country" (county, district, city, etc.) should be linked though. w.carter -Talk  16:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Btw, you might be interested in this article. By now the use of it is very widespread especially in newspapers and legal texts. Very convenient. w.carter -Talk  16:53, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the patrolling. Now you know how it works! w.carter -Talk  19:06, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * [edit conflict] Ah, I see. Thank you for that clear and concise explanation. (You're really good at that, have you considered writing for Wikipedia? ) I marked your page patrolled. Now I know what to do when I spot an unpatrolled page in future. And that article on the use of the hen pronoun in Sweden is very interesting! I knew Finnish doesn't denote gender grammatically (one of my great-grandparents was Finnish, I'm one of your typical Americans who's a mix of many things) but hadn't heard about Swedes adopting a similar gender-neutral pronoun. You live in a cool country! — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 19:13, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. I have considered it. ;) I like writing, and explaining things. I talk too much though. But I need to learn more about all the WP stuff before I have the courage to write something more "official". See you around! w.carter -Talk  19:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

New article
Thought you might like to know that I have created European Health Examination Survey including the image you so kindly found for me. (Any tips on searching Commons for other images? I'm hoping to also include a photo of either weight or waist measurement being taken, in particular, but either Commons has no such images, or I am failing miserably at finding them.) I do hope to continue improving the article, but I felt it was ready for mainspace. Thanks again for your help! — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 09:09, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Congrats on your new article, it looks nice. :) The best tip for the Commons is not to overthink things. Let me explain with an appropriate example: I started a search for pics for you by entering "man measuring waist" in the search box at the Commons. This yielded nothing that could be used. Next I entered "woman measuring waist" and this file (File:Woman Measuring Waist.jpg) popped up right away. Next step is to click on that file and see what categories it is listed under (bottom of the file's page). In this case I found "Measuring" and "Weight loss". Looking in both categories resulted in another pic of waist measuring (File:1-1256217176zbgk.jpg). When opening the Category:Weight loss I found a subcategory called Category:Personal scales that category has peoples on scales and some more subcategories to examine. I hope you can find something there.


 * This is one way of finding things in the Commons. You start with one picture and work your way through the categories it belongs to and branch out from them. Typing in some key words describing the pic you are looking for is always a good way to start. Cheers, w.carter -Talk  09:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, I was so close — I was searching on "waist measurement" rather than "measuring waist" before. Thanks for your help. I found an image of a patient on a medical-type scale which I will put into the article until I can source one of waist measurement, which I think would better illustrate that element of the EHES. And thank you for your compliment to the EHES article.


 * On an unrelated topic, another article I created recently has been nominated for deletion — the first time this has happened to me. The nominating editor and I are the only two participants in the discussion so far and we seem to be at a stalemate, as the other editor is apparently a deletionist, and is insisting on applying a higher, and more subjective, standard for notability than Wikipedia policy sets out. (Their assertion that a person is only notable if they have heard of them seems particularly ridiculous to me.) I have tried to discuss the notability standard with them in good faith but we don't seem to be getting anywhere. Any advice you can offer about this situation would be appreciated. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 21:50, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I'm not too familiar with the fine print of WP's notability policy so you should not take my words as final. I know that editors can be very, very hard on biographies and from what I can see this is a borderline case. Yes, I agree that the comment about them being able to tell if a person is notable or not is absurd. I'm sure I could supply several great artists that editor has never heard of. But in this case I would say that the artist is so far a "one-issue" artist who has not exhibited at any major art institution, and is not ready to have an article here yet. But on the other hand I would probably keep the article just the same since the initial comment was not about notability but that the article needed "some serious style and structure edits". It could do with a severe pruning since there are many things that are of little or no interest in an article about an artist. And with that, I bid you good night for now. Best, w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  22:24, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've fixed up the article as much as I could to get it to conform with other artist's biographies. No significant facts have been removed, just condensed to an encyclopedic form. And don't worry about that you made the article after a request from the artist at the Teahouse, I've seen that (or daughter, son, friend, cousin, employee, pet dog, whatever, making the request) over and over again and most of these requests have resulted in pretty good articles, so it is far from unheard of. In fact, if the subject of the article is notable, there are a number of Teahouse visitors (including me) who will cooperate and have the article up and running within hours. I also took a swing at the European Health Examination Survey, I think you will like to learn about the "Notes" section. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  13:50, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your edits to Sheila Cameron (artist), it does indeed look better (I just fixed a date you had wrong). I figured thanking you once here would be less disruptive than sending individual thanks for each of your separate edits.


 * Thank you also for your edits to European Health Examination Survey, especially the notes section! That's definitely better, and I will refer back to it when I need to add such notes in future. I think you actually meant to link to MOS:BOLD regarding the use of boldface, not WP:BOLD, but I found what you meant to reference. At least one of those terms might I think be a sensible redirect, but I will wait until the redirects actually exist to bold the text. Could you explain to me the purpose of the spaces you added in the section headings and in reference tags such as ? I have not been putting such spaces in when I edit any articles, and if I've been doing it wrong I want to correct that! Thanks again,  GrammarFascist   contribs talk 15:13, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Good thinking with the "not overthanking", some editors can get a bit carried away. And, yep, as stated in the userbox above I totally "reserve the right to completely screw up my own edits."! TYpos and stufff, that's me, whereas you seem to be exhibiting a rare amount of intelligence with an alarming frequency. The spaces were added for no other reason than that it is the way the Help:Wiki markup say it should be written. But I don't check every individual place for it, I have this nifty little script installed that checks and corrects things for me. Not sure how much you know about scripts, how to install and use them, so maybe we should wait with that until you have done some more articles. The script I used here require some more knowledge about article creating before using, but we'll get there in time. Glad you were not horrified by the edits. :) <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  15:47, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Question at the Teahouse I think you're more qualified to answer than I am
It's at Teahouse/Questions still unaddressed, with several other questions answered above it, so I'm worried about it getting lost. I've uploaded a couple of images myself, but I'm definitely still a novice regarding both the intricacies of the process and the CC licensing rules. I don't want to give a wrong answer, especially when copyright is involved. And I know it's pretty late in Sweden, but I figured I'd take a chance on you being a night owl. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 23:27, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Not such a night owl as you apparently. ;) I am sometimes, but very seldom when the next day is a work day. Question is now answered, read it and learn if you like. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  09:21, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ha ha, yeah, sometimes I have insomnia. I'm disabled so I don't have a job to get to every morning, though there are the occasional early-morning medical appointments. Thanks for the assist at the Teahouse, I was pretty sure it was up your alley. And by the way, in case you hadn't seen, there are two more votes to keep the Sheila Cameron article at the AfD discussion page (bringing the total to 6) — including one from a user who specifically credited your edits as settling the notability issue. :) — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 07:14, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help. :) <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  09:32, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * And now it's up to 8 keep to 1 delete, and another editor has specifically credited your edits. I can't thank you enough for the assist on this article, as I'm not 100% confident it would've survived without you. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 16:29, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Happy Wiki-birthday!
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 * Seconding the happy Wiki-birthday message! — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 16:26, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello my friends and thank you. :) A late answer to match the belated congrats (my Wiki-birthday was in April). As stated below I was called away unexpectedly and I'm only making very brief appearances at the WP this week when real life allows. To answer ChamithN's question, I think my account was automatically created because I already had an account on the Swedish WP (since 2010) and when I made my first edit here the automatic creation kicked in. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  10:03, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

About images for Sheila Cameron (artist)
Yes, it's that article again. { The artist has kindly uploaded photos (or scans, I'm not certain) of several of her paintings to Commons, and I have added three of the images to the article — more would, I think, be both cluttery and spammy. There are images of two other paintings uploaded, and I would like to link to these from the article, in the External links section, but I'm not sure how to go about it: Individual links? A link to a 'Paintings by Sheila Cameron' category (that doesn't yet, and maybe shouldn't, exist)? A link to User:SheilaCameronArtist's contributions page at Commons? Something else entirely? I know you know your way around Commons (and Wikipedia policies and guidelines) quite well, so I'm hoping you'll have a suggestion.

I'd also appreciate it if you would check the uploads for compliance with Commons rules, and either add categories to the files or suggest which categories would be appropriate so I or the artist can add them. Navigating Commons is definitely not my forte, so I really appreciate your help. (And you should feel free to ask my help with articles you're working on any time!) — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 21:23, 30 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh dear! This is going to be murderous to sort out, there are all kinds of trouble with those uploads. I was called away unexpectedly and will not be editing for a few more days. I will get back to this as soon as I can and fix it. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  22:05, 30 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I could take some time off to help you out. Let's try to sort things out. Even though the Commons is a supportive sister-site to the WP, it is to all intents and purposes an independent site, so regardless of having an article here or not things can be uploaded and categorized there. And since she is a published artist the best thing is to create a category for her. I started by doing that to get things in the right place. That cat is now added to the article as an external link. Things at the Commons should always be put in as clear a category as possible. Once the article has cleared the AfD I will fix up the cat even more. Remember, it is not the number of !votes in an AfD that decides if the article is kept or not, but the reasons behind the !votes. That is what the closing admin will look at when deciding.


 * I also took the liberty of fixing the pic of the artist (you may have to refresh your cache to see that) and fixed a cropped and improved version of it for the infobox + added it. I don't think that pic will cause any trouble. I did a search for it and could not find it on any other site. Btw, I see that you are fond of inserting comments using in the article, please don't do that or keep it down to a bare minimum since it implies that editors can't think for themselves and may find it derogatory. If you want to argue something, do so at the talk page instead.


 * About the uploads of the paintings. Tricky, to say the least. The pictures have been published on other sites before they were uploaded to the Commons, and they are in the same size as many of those. This poses a problem since this means that they could have been uploaded by anyone. Example: I could create an account on the Commons and call it "The real Sheila Cameron" and upload the same files claiming that I have the copyright for them. So the pics need to be uploaded in much better versions (higher resolution), that only someone with actual access to the painting could do, and even that may not be enough since someone could have taken that pic at an exhibition. She may have to issue what is called a OTRS ticket for each pic if they are to remain in the Commons. This is done by email between her and the Commons, so that they can verify that she is who she claims to be. Also, all this can only be done if she is still in possession of the paintings. If one is sold, then it is the buyer and not she who has the copyright, and she can not upload a pic of it to the Commons. I don't think she understands what an upload of a pic of a piece of art means here. This is not like when you throw up a pic on a social forum, here you actually give up ALL your rights to that pic of that painting, free for anyone to use in the future. We will just have to wait and see what reactions there will be at the Commons to the uploads. Sometimes things will pass and sometimes they will be zapped on sight. I have gained some knowledge (the very hard way!) about how the copyright things work there, but they always find new ways to astonish you. My latest OTRS-thing took me about twenty emails between me, the owner of the pic and the Commons, before it was accepted... Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  10:58, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for you continuing help with this article and its images. I wanted to play it safe with the photo of Ms. Cameron but I will defer to your assessment that it is okay to have on Commons and the article. I was leery of creating a Sheila Cameron category myself as I'm not sure of the rules for creating categories there, so thank you for doing it. I remember now seeing links to Commons done that way on many other articles; I guess I was just having a brain fart. {
 * I will refer the artist to this conversation regarding the status of the specific images she uploaded. I did explain that images uploaded to Wikimedia Commons (or Wikipedia) are then available for anyone to use for any purpose, I think, but it's not a bad idea to make sure that aspect of the Creative Commons licensing is absolutely clear to her.
 * I do want to emphasize (because I will be sending her here and she has expressed concern about being accused of wrongdoing) that even if there are still technical issues to be sorted out and some or all of the images of Sheila Cameron's paintings already uploaded may need to be replaced with images for which the copyright status is unambiguous, SheilaCameronArtist will not be "in trouble" over such issues. Thanks for pointing out that you yourself have had images you uploaded need extensive work sorting out their copyright status for Commons's purposes — though I hope that was an exception and not how things usually go?
 * By the way, thank you for the rest of your latest round of edits to the Sheila Cameron (artist) article as well. I was going by analogy with the way articles and book chapters in quotation marks, the works the appear in in italics, but I see now that both paintings and the exhibits in which they appear should be in italics. And you're right that I should eschew html comments on articles in mainspace for information like that; it's a (problematic) habit I got into working with users in AfC drafts who sometimes don't understand that the Talk page, or edit summaries, exist and should be looked at by them. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 14:29, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for including me in the discussion. As User:GrammarFascist pointed out, I am still nervous about moving forward on assisting. All the paintings have been sold, however in fine art when the paintings are not done for hire, the artist retains the copyright unless they specifically sign over the copyright to the buyer, even if the buyer has the original. A quick search supports this. It is different if I was working for a company being a painter or hired to do a commission. I do understand the images I uploaded to commons will become free to use, hence my hesitation in uploading larger files. I would like to avoid fake signed prints if possible. I'm still on my first cup of coffee so be gentle on next steps. I would like to be helpful although I need to get back to the studio. This entire process has been fascinating. SheilaCameronArtist (talk) 15:47, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

OTRS ticket
Hi Sheila, nice to meet you! First of all, let me reassure you that you are doing nothing wrong by talking with us here on our talk pages. That is one thing they are meant for. As long as you are not editing the article about yourself or other things you are involved in, it is all fine. You are of course welcome to edit any other articles should you have attracted the Wikipedia bug. :) There are lots of artists editing here.

Second, since you have an account here, it would be best if you made a comment/disclaimer on your account page, which is something else than your talk page. It is a page where you state your intentions here at the Wikipedia. Mine is at this link: W.carter. I have started your page for you (that is why your name suddenly turned blue), it is here: SheilaCameronArtist. Write something like "Hi I'm Sheila Cameron. I'm an artist and there is an article about me here but I will not edit it or any page related to my artistic work". This is customary for editors who have special interests in some articles. If you like, you can look at what another editor has done, check out this link: link. He does not have an article about him, but since he is a very active editor he has listed things about himself so that other editors can check that he is not doing any editing where he might be accused of overstepping the conflict of interest.

So, about the pictures. Having read your post above, I think the best way here would be to use the so called OTRS tickets, one for each painting. This way you don't have to upload any better versions of the pics (they are good as they are), it is the safest way. These "tickets" are actually emails that you will have to send to the Commons, one for each photo. I can write them for you and all you have to do is copy/paste them to the emails. I have done this before and I'm familiar with the "legalese" involved. I will fix things at the Commons for you, so you don't have to worry about that. But I do need an email address to you. I looked for one at your website, but cold not find any. Please send me an email, and we'll take it from there. You email me by clicking on the link on this page in the left column, a bit under the Wikipedia logo under the "Tools" heading, it says "Email this user". Your email address will remain confidential, neither I nor the Commons will forward it to anyone, but I'm sure you have an email you use that is only semi-private. I'm also 'pinging' to let them know what is going on. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  16:53, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ...and I re-wrote the suggestion for the entry on the user page. Looong day, too little coffee, I should not be editing right now. :-/ <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  18:00, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Since the article is now accepted as "Keep", I have added data to the Commons category. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  10:06, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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Images for Nahem Shoa article
Hello, W.carter, I trust you have had a good weekend? I have been working on an article about another painter, and have a minor question about the OTRS ticket process. You can read the relevant conversations at my talk page at Commons and this section of my talk page here. Is there any way to get confirmation that emails were received prior to those emails being evaluated and the permissions fields being updated by the people at Commons who handle that? I suspect there isn't, given the ratio between the volume of emails received and the number of reviewers evaluating them, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask.


 * As you rightly suspected, there is no way of knowing if/when the emails have been received at the Commons. Once they are sent, all you can do is to add the files to your Commons watchlist and wait and see. It can take anywhere from days to weeks. "Patience, my young apprentice." ;) Good work on fixing the cats at the Commons and sorting out everything there. I'll keep my fingers crossed this will go smoothly. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  12:09, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Siri Derkert
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 * Congrats on the DYK! — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 14:50, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
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Tnx! <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  16:16, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Adding photos I took to Wikipedia
Hello, my image-savvy friend. I have recently uploaded some photos I took to Commons, and then added most of them to English Wikipedia articles where that seemed appropriate. I would greatly appreciate it if you would check my recent edits to Apple crisp, Cataract, Cheese sandwich, Garlic, Grace (food company), Kidney stone, Kix (cereal), Mango sticky rice, Waffle, and/or Zeppole. I'm not entirely confident that I'm not inappropriately spamming Wikipedia with my photos. In only one case did I remove an image already in the article (at Apple crisp); I didn't think the other image was contributing as much to the article, but of course I'm probably biased in favor of my own photo.

You shouldn't feel obligated to look at every one of the edits listed, if you think checking a sampling would be sufficient. I know you're busy outside of Wikipedia. I will appreciate your evaluation to whatever extent you can give it. Thanks in advance, GrammarFascist   contribs talk 14:49, 7 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi there! That was quite an eclectic collection of pics. :) But they were good and appropriate for the articles. Good call on all of them, except one. Further comments:


 * Apple crisp, nice addition, orig. pic was too yellow and yours had a bit too much blue light (made it look poisonous) I have tweaked both in the Commons, revert there if you don't agree
 * Cataract, poor kitty, yours? I fixed the placing of the pic since it displaced the columns + adjusted the light in the pic a bit in the Commons, revert there if you don't agree
 * Cheese sandwich, Yummie!!
 * Garlic, very artistic
 * Grace (food company), potential trouble! You have taken a pic of a copyrighted logo, should only be used as fair use
 * Kidney stone, initial reaction: Ouch!! but relevant as pic
 * Kix (cereal), artistic and good pic
 * Mango sticky rice, better than the first pic, see comment in edit summary at article
 * Waffle, very good pic
 * Zeppole, yummie, see comment in edit summary at article


 * Over all you have a very good eye for taking nice pics. (Is there something you don't excel in?? ) You may have to refresh your cache in the computer to see the diff between the pic versions. Well done! <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  15:43, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your "second opinion", your corrections and your kind comments on these photos. (Mine aren't all good, but I didn't pick lousy ones to put on Wikipedia! And there are indeed things I struggle with, for example advanced math and social interactions.) Yes, that is our kitty, and she has other health issues as well, but she is wonderful. Thanks for pointing out the logo issue, I don't know what I was thinking. I will reupload the Grace photo to Wikipedia under Fair Use... how do I go about deleting the copy from Commons? — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 16:04, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You tag it with (place it just above the "License" section). More info here. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter  <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  16:23, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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 * Ha ha ha ha ha!! So we'll join the Twelve-step program after this one and just remain friends and co-editors from now on, or people will start to talk! Thanks anyway, ;) <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter  <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  20:21, 10 October 2015 (UTC) >^o^<

Did I do it again? (image copyright)
I uploaded some more photos I thought would improve Wikipedia. Three of them depict Catholic devotional medals, which (it occurred to me belatedly) are arguably tiny works of art: I have done a little looking but have thus far turned up nothing about the copyright status of such designs; I know some medal designs are probably old enough to be public domain, but even those I couldn't find date of first use for. Should I just tag the images for deletion? — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 20:05, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * File:Devotional medals assortment.jpg
 * File:Devotional medal depicting Jesus appearing to Mary Magdalene at tomb.jpg
 * File:Kateri Tekakwitha devotional medal.jpg


 * Hi! Relax, you did not pull a "Britney Spears" this time. ;) These small amulets are mass-produced knickknacks (no offense to the good people/orders/monasteries that sell them, they are often sold for worthy causes) where there is no way of knowing who made the first original/mould. They pretty much have the same copyright status as these Mardi Gras tokens, Jewish amulets or many of these charms. When in doubt, try looking up something similar on the Commons and see how that is treated. Don't delete the files. – "Use the Imagination, Luke!" Wait! I think I got that quote wrong... Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  20:40, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Also see this category. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  20:51, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Whew, thanks for setting my mind at ease, W. (do you mind if I call you W.?) I wouldn't go by similar images being present at Commons because I would presume that like inappropriate Wikipedia articles, inappropriate Commons images sometimes slip through the cracks. I don't know how you managed to learn the ins and outs of all these rules in less than two years, and while becoming a Wikipedia expert as well, and in a language that's not your first! As for the Christian votives category, that is interesting but I don't think these small medals fit there. They are more like talismans, I think. And I notice that the type of medal I photographed is not represented in the category. Thanks for the suggestion, though. { — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 21:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, I do mind if you call me W. You can see why I choose the initial on my user page, but using just the letter brings this to mind, so I'd rather not. For nicknames I like the one User:Yakikaki gave me, Cart, best. I'm sort of 98% sure about the copyright-thing, that's as far as anything can be certain on the Commons. It always tends to surprise you... Aside from that, the Commons is actually more "well-kept" when it comes to having weeded out inappropriate pics than the WP is with articles. The human mind is more designed to look at images than texts, so it goes faster and is more effective. They zap a faulty pic almost immediately. As for learning, I asked a lot as a newbie (same as you do, keep it up! ^^) and I ed up a lot (still do, try to avoid that) but learned in the process. I had the language way before I joined the WP. IRL I work with texts and do a lot of translating from English to Swedish, so doing the reverse here came rather quickly with the expert help from some friendly editors. I'm also schooled in programming and finding things out, so that helps when rummaging through the WP for answers, but I'm far from an expert. ;) <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  21:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Cart it is, then. Sorry for calling you the other thing. (I wouldn't want to be associated with that one either.) And you're a programmer, too? You have all the skills! — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 20:15, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Far from it, for one thing you should see me on horseback ........ Actress-fear-and-panic.jpg <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">Cart <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  20:28, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

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Yet another image question (Holy Land postcard)
I came upon this page and decided to follow the instructions for copying the file to Commons, so there wouldn't be just one image in the category I created. Now I'm having second thoughts and wondering if maybe it's not correctly in the public domain, especially since there was no publication date listed in the Wikipedia copy for me to copy to Commons (I used the original upload date). Did the bot-placed template lead me astray? — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 02:08, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think you did anything wrong. I did a Google picture search for the photo (the postcard) and found several similar pics plus other postcards from that theme park. Most of the were from the 1960s and turned up on sites featuring abandoned places. So I would say that the license on the pic in WP is appropriate and it can be copied to Commons. Old postcard copyrights have a very short shelf live. Futhermore, the pic has been sitting at the WP since 2007 so if there were something wrong with the license, somebody would have noticed by now. It also has a tag saying it had appeared in a DYK, so it must have been check for copyright license then. The "worst" that can happen is that some very postcard-copyright-savvy editor at the Commons nominate the pic for deletion later. Not the end of the world, and we'll learn from that. Or you can ask at the help desk at the Commons. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  07:27, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I will never stop asking you questions (proposing files for deletion)
Hello, Cart my friend. I have nominated some photos at Commons for deletion because they seem likely to have a copyright held by someone other than the uploader. They are the first 6 files (counting from the top) listed at c:Special:Contributions/AlBarts, except "File:Dad-1 001.JPG" which seemed okay. Would you be so kind as to review how I marked the five suspect images, let me know if I ought to have done them differently, and perhaps comment on the nominations if you feel you have something to contribute to the discussion? (I really wasn't sure what to do about the one photo dated before the person pictured was born!) I really hope I haven't been overzealous. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 17:05, 13 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, let's see what you've dug up this time.
 * File:10291parksvilleJohnBarton-Diller.jpg Looks like the right call. Looking at the size and grain of the pic, I'll wager it is scanned from an old magazine, and is therefore not free yet.
 * File:Dad-1 001.JPG Seems plausible and ok.
 * File:Dad's Celebration pictures 054.JPG Studio photo taken by someone else so not free.
 * File:Dad's Celebration pictures 052.JPG The date is obviously a typo since those things didn't exist in 1899. I would mark that one for deletion. It is taken by someone else than "Dad" since there is a memo on it stating that John Barton is in the pic, and even if the uploader inherited all his father's photos, and thereby the copyright for them, this one can only be used if he inherited it from the photographer, which I doubt.
 * File:Dad's Celebration pictures 050.JPG Another studio pic, taken by someone else than Dad, not free.
 * File:Dad's Celebration pictures 048.JPG This one looks like it could have been taken by Dad and then inherited by the uploader, so the tag for it is ok.
 * File:Dadxo 002 (2).JPG What I suspect is another inherited pic, it could do with info about who took it. He looks young and the scenery is spectacular so maybe Mom took it at Dads's request, which makes it ok copyright-wise, but still needs some info.
 * File:YardandCentralCamping 033.JPG Quite ok.


 * Sorting out the family heirlooms can be quite a chore! I have a lot of old pics, bequeathed to me in my role as family nerd, that I'm going to upload. But getting all the credits and copyrights right will be a nightmare. So I procrastinate. :) I hope the comments are satisfactory. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  17:59, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

fumble -sorry
Apparently including a partial html tag can totally whack a page ( like the teahouse page) Sorry, I fixed it moments later, as soon as I could. DGerman (talk) 18:39, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries! The code thing is very sensitive. I've disabled whole articles and user talk pages by omitting a single bracket! May I suggest that you use the "nowiki" code the next time you post a code of any kind. Placing that around something "disables" it. Look in the code here where I have written ~ that did not turn into a signature and you'll get the idea. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter  <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  18:45, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi. Just to say thanks for your efforts to explain that I was only trying to help the editor who posted at the Teahouse about being harassed by me on their talk page. They seem convinced that they were signed in when they made those IP edits, and I was just trying to explain that that was impossible. Unfortunately, they seem to be taking a similarly combative attitude towards editors giving them advice at the Teahouse, which is a shame. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:41, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. I understand exactly what you were trying to do, but new editors comes from all walks of life and some may not find the open and talk-friendly environment of the WP to their taste, especially when they do not yet understand how the purely technical side of the site works. Let's hope they come around and produce good edits in time. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  20:55, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again for the info on lang=console. I will contact Cedar101 and hopefully they will agree to revise the colors/font-style for better contrast and legibility. DGerman (talk) 21:14, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

A tweak needed
Hi I noticed an editor has been very busy with this but seems to be struggling with the main template. Could you take a look? Perhaps an invite to the teahouse on their talkpage as well? Regards CV9933 (talk) 16:02, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll see what I can do. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  16:10, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  17:06, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Great job! Thanks very much.Regards CV9933 (talk) 18:05, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Reflist Varde
Hi W.Carter

As the topic "Varde" is quite uncontroversial, I´m thinking about just doing a "general references" list, with only a few in text references. Would this be a plausible path to take?

Thank you very much for you help with the page these last few days:)

HSRasmussenHSRasmussen (talk) 07:35, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome to this part of the Wikipedia universe, nice to have you with us. :) Unfortunately no, that is not enough here. All articles, uncontroversial or not, should have inline citations or they will get tagged. The rules are much stricter here than on the Nordic WPs. You should at least provide one ref per section and you could also move some of the external links to the appropriate sections and convert them to references, providing that they cover what is said in the text. An article of this size should only have about 5-6 external links. If you want to see how many refs should ideally be provided, take a look at this article. I recently added the refs there and fixed it up so I can vouch for it. I will revisit the Varde article later and see if I can help you tweak it into shape. I just got the note about it yesterday (see previous post on this page) when I had a limited amount of time to edit. Anyway, the article is a great start for you here at the EngWP, well done! Let's hope there will be more translations like that from the Danish WP. :) <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  08:26, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I hope you are ok with me, a Swede, helping you. If you would rather work with a Danish editor, there is an excellent one I can refer you to. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  09:11, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Carolina Benedicks-Bruce
Materialscientist (talk) 13:16, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this article. I didn't know about her and am very happy to learn! It is helpful to me in another context too. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 00:10, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That is a very kind comment Whiteghost.ink. I'm glad you could benefit from it. :) Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  05:13, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Picture found
The Commons is full of fantastic pictures, in fact so many that it is hard to find the interesting, good, funny or thought provoking ones that are not considered Featured. Therefore it is always great when you find one after a visit to some article or user page you have't been to before. Thank you Whiteghost.ink, I'll share it with editors reading this page too. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  12:00, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Glad you like this art work W.carter. It is not always on display in the gallery but is one of my favourites. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 13:15, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Question
You are atheist? protestant? catholic? non-religious believer? muslim? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.151.41.219 (talk) 22:49, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi IP from Guatemala. That is personal and also irrelevant to my work here on the Wikipedia. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  04:42, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

ok, but you are invited to our group (Ateos y Seculares de Guatemala), We accept people from other countries, I thought it would be better to give the invitation in wikipedia a site where 90% are atheists, but if you are religious, no problem — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.149.120.19 (talk) 23:14, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but I'm not interested. Please refrain from posting about things that are not related to the Wikipedia. That constitutes as spamming. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  04:27, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

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