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That is very kind of you, thanks, w.carter -Talk  16:35, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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A cheeseburger for you!
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Thank you, it looks very tasty. w.carter -Talk  09:27, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks!
Thank you so much for your welcome!!! This is very helpful.

JaguarXJ8 (talk) 00:38, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Better late than never. You are always welcome here if you want to ask something. Oh btw, if you write something on your user page (and thereby creating it) your signature will turn from "beginner-red" to "editor-blue". Happy editing! w.carter -Talk  00:41, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Here is a problem I can't fix: what do I write on Whiskey Trail to make it go to this → (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_Trail?setlang=it) page? Nothing seems to work.

JaguarXJ8 (talk) 00:59, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw that. There is an "e" too much in the link. Sometimes the spelling program does these things when the English word can be spelled in different ways, and you have to fix it manually. I did not see it in time, but I have corrected it at the Teahouse and in your sandbox. It should work now. w.carter -Talk  01:00, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

There are no words to thank you! This has been troubling me for a while now. Any questions I'll be sure to ask you. JaguarXJ8 (talk) 01:34, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Host
''Sorry ChamithN, I think I better remove this award since I have no legal right to it and it might upset other "real" hosts if I accepted it. Anyway, it's the thought that counts. :)''


 * Wait a minute!. You are not a host? Confused.png But it doesn't matter, you deserve this award as much hosts do. Why don't you join Teahouse host team w.carter? I understand that you don't want join organized programs but still, when looking at your contributions to the Teahouse I do think you belong in the Host team.-- Chamith  (talk)  04:55, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you ChamithN :) you are always so kind! Being a host at the Teahouse is more of a title than an organized program and I would love to be able to call myself a host some day. But I simply don't know enough about the Wikipedia yet to do that. I learn the WP pretty much by trial and error(s), I don't read up on policies and regulations unless I, or someone I help, need them. I only answer the questions I know the answer to, the simple basic ones. Sometimes I even get those wrong, resulting in a correction from one of the "real" hosts. I can think of a number of TH hosts who would disagree with you that I should call myself a host. Right now I'm more of a "doorman" or "janitor". :) w.carter -Talk  10:27, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow you are really honest :) Anyways I don't think they would disagree with you being a host. Because there are some hosts who are not even experienced like you. They have created their hosts accounts once they reached 1000 edits. I think you have everything (personality, experience, knowledge etc.) editors expect from Teahouse hosts. But if you think you have much more to learn before being a host all I have do thanking you for your honesty :)-- Chamith  (talk)  12:43, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * All in good time, all in good time, ChamithN. Maybe it's about time I did some serious studying of the WP the next time I have a day or so to spare and sign up for host after that. All the best, w.carter -Talk  12:52, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That said, and now that you've got me thinking, I would value the opinion of someone like Cullen328 on this matter. w.carter -Talk  13:03, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * So, no comment. I'll take that as a "no" then and just keep on editing and studying. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  10:45, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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Hi there
Hi W.carter, around two weeks ago I told you on my talk page that I was going to do some new page patrolling, but since then you have left me with "That's all for tonight" and "the seniors will be keeping an eye on you", since then I have been extremely cautious with my CSD tagging. As such, very article I tagged with a CSD has been deleted. I would've asked earlier, but I though it may have been a bit ride to do so... Anyway, I would highly appreciate some feedback. But, if you choose to ignore this message, I won't mind. Regards.NetworkOP (talk) 19:47, 19 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello again NetworkOP. Nice to hear from you again and that things have been going well. Yes, the senior editors are always keeping an eye on the newbies, and if you have not heard anything, that means you are doing ok. This is a place where good job and correct editing usually just goes into the normal flow of things, seemingly unnoticed, but if you screw up something even ever so slightly, all hell can break loose. So quiet is good. :) And you are still of course always welcome to ask things, that is not rude at all! I just got the impression that you wanted to try out things on your own for a while and that I could not contribute much more to your knowledge for the time being. I apologize if I thought wrong. It is great that you have been cautious. I've seen too many trigger happy new editors getting into trouble because they have been too eager to get rid of anything remotely wrong. If you miss an article that should have been tagged, someone else is bound to notice it instead.


 * I have looked at your edit count, your contributions, talk page, and it all have the look of an editor who knows what he's doing. You are really learning to walk before you run. Well done! Anyway, my area of what little expertise I have here is creating, communicating and fixing things, rather than CSD and reviewing. So if you want a real thorough feedback on you tagging you should just ask some editor that you see around that part of the WP, preferably someone who is also helping out at the Teahouse, since they are the ones that are most used to dealing with new editors. But again, if you don't hear anything, then you must be doing something right! And I never ignore a civilized post. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter  <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  20:37, 19 January 2015 (UTC)


 * One last thing, do you think UK encryption ban proposal is worthy of a wp:DYK, I already nominated it, but need a little collaboration in improving it (new news sources coming out too quickly). Thanks in advance.NetworkOP (talk) 22:26, 19 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Not exactly sure exactly how they count the number of characters for a DYK, I know that there have been some controversies about that from time to time (different counting-software and so). I would say that while the facts are solid, it does need a bit of the same TLC that I wrote about on your talk page re "Lewis...", to make it pleasant for the reader to read. It is very compact and could be divided in two or three section just to rest the eyes, and the refs need some fixing. I expect you want your article to look as nice as possible when it will be read by thousands of readers, as the DYKs often are. :) If you get stuck I can help you out a bit. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  22:50, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * One more thought: You say "new news sources coming out too quickly". If it's an ongoing current proposal, maybe the should be placed on top of it? I also suggested a move due to the "UK" in the title when all other articles in the same area have the full name "United Kingdom". Time for bed nowish/soon, see ya' <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter  <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  23:15, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks!
Thanks, I`ll try it out! Cute picture!Dale Stern (talk) 12:28, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Placing an image in an existing article
Dear W. Carter, Thank you for the comments: I will change the article name to "SpaceOps". I am willing to change the user name - I have been told before - however your policy says it is "buerocratic" which I don't have time for (I just can work on free weekends). Could somebody of you help me with that? However, you did not tell me how to proceed with placing the image in the article - I think you (Wikipedia) has everyting needed - or is something missing?? Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Committee_on_Technical_Interchange_for_Space_Mission_Operations_and_Ground_Data_Systems Cheers JoachimSpaceops (talk) 17:41, 25 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Spaceops Since you change the name of your own free will, it is not as "bureaucratic" as you may think. :) Go to the Changing username/Simple and follow the instructions there. I wouldn't be surprised if you have your new name in a couple of hours. The change is done by editors assigned to this ("somebody like us") and many of them work right now, same as we do. We are all regular volunteers here, just like you. Some of "us" have just been here longer and knows things better. :) I will take a look at the picture-thing and see what I can do. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  17:50, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, I did tell you how to place the picture in the article by providing you with links to two very good tutorials about just that, and if you had read them you would have been able to place the picture in the article yourself. I have now done that for you, and now that the picture is in the article you can see how I did it and perhaps read about it in the tutorials so you know how to do it the next time. :) It would also be great is you started to do some work on the references since they are presently just bare urls. Like I said at the Teahouse, you will find out how to do that in the tutorial Help:Referencing for beginners. To make it easier for you, I will fix up a couple of the refs and you can look at that and follow suit on the others. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  18:05, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Placing an image
Dear W.Carter WOW - Thank you so much! Cheers JoachimSpaceops (talk) 18:41, 25 January 2015 (UTC)


 * While fixing up the first references in the article I noticed that ref #2 is written by a Joachim Kehr, Editor SpaceOps News and since you have signed your previous post here on my talk page with "JoachimSpaceops", it is not such a longshot to assume that you are in fact that person. This is clearly a case of Conflict of interest, the thing I asked you about at the Teahouse. Since I'm not quite sure how to proceed with this (citing sources you have written yourself), I'm going to ask another more experienced editor, Philg88, about advice on this. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  18:44, 25 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Dear WCarter, Your assumption is true, however I don't see a conflict of interest. We are a non-profit international organization, the members being recruited from almost all official Space Agencies around the world on a volonteer basis. I got the job to put us on Wikipedia and I accepted it becuase nobody else could do it (timewise). I had all our space agencies referenced by Wikilink but was told (in the sandbox) to remove them, because you wanted independent links - that introduced the URL-business and was accepted! Now, I am a little puzzled what to do. Please help!
 * Thank you JoachimSpaceops (talk) 18:59, 25 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Per the rules of Wikipedia it is always a conflict of interest when a member of an organization is writing an article about that organization, and such conflicts have to be declared. The article (and the urls) was accepted before anyone knew your position in the organization. The WP deal with thousands of orgs and companies who want to be on the WP for one reason or other (mostly promotional), and it has to have rules for this and these apply to all organizations however good or nice they are. And yes, the Wikipedia want independent links, but just how "independent" is a text if you have written it yourself? And don't dig yourself in any deeper by saying things like "I got the job to put us on Wikipedia" since that implies paid editing! We will sort this out in the best possible way, but I don't know all the policies and practices in cases such as this, and that's why I have asked for help. Let's just wait and see what the answer will be. Don't panic, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter  <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  19:30, 25 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Dear WCarter, Thank you for the advise, but I think in our case your rules can not be followed to the dot. As I said - we are a NON-profit organization, composed entirely of volunteers. No payments for anybody!! I see no other way to get listed in Wikipedia. Now, if the hurdles are too high you might have to delete the (alreday accepted?) article. But I hope it will not come to that - I trust in you(WP). Thank you for your help!
 * Cheers
 * JoachimSpaceops (talk) 19:54, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry! No one's going to delete anything, but you have to change your username, most likely put a notice about your COI on your user page and maybe strike one or two refs in the article, that is the worst case scenario. The WP is very considerate just as long as everything is in the open, the whole organization relies on transparency. But even non-profit orgs have to follow the rules (and I was playing the devil's advocate when I cautioned you about paid editing since there are editors that might misunderstand that) and most editors are a sticklers for the "dots". I am helping you, same as I would any other new editor here, but I have to confess that I am a bit biased since I've been a space buff all my life. ;) <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  20:18, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * There are two problems here. The first is that your user name is in breach of our user name policy. In a nutshell, we don't allow names that are promotional in nature and I'm afraid yours is. You can read more about it here and request a change of user name here. Secondly, you clearly have a conflict of interest in editing an article on a topic that you are closely involved with. You should read the appropriate guideline and only carry out non-controversial edits to any topic you are involved with. Neither of these issues is affected by the fact that your organisation is a voluntary one. Sorry if this sounds draconian but it's fairer for everyone. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 05:31, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Placing an image, part II
Dear WCarter & Philg88, Thank you for the info.
 * 1) I will request a simple user name change as advised after the end of this discussion for the sake of still being able to log in.
 * 2)On the conflict of interest I still have no idea how to solve the problem: The suggestsed WP article describes the organization of an international space operations community. Assuming this is of interest of WP readers we wanted to share this information on WP. I can not think of anybody who would be able to describe this organization better than anybody from "inside" the organization (i.e. not being independent according to WP's definitions). Even if such a independent person would exist he/she would have to talk and get information from "inside" personnel.

Now you seem to postulate that if there is not such an independent "editor" the information is not worthwhile to be shared because of an "conflict of interest". Is is a conflict of interest if you want to provide an as accurate as possible information of our organization? - on the other hand, I think it would be embarassing for WP to have something published from second-hand knowledge (hearsay?). I am at a loss and even would accept a "banning" as editor if this is a solution. We are not trying to "hide" anything - and if that helps and you approve, I will add an opening or closing paragraph stating that the article has been submitted by Dr. Joachim J. Kehr, Editor "Jouranl of Space Operations and Communicator" and founding member (in 1992)of the SpaceOps Organization,employed by Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt (DLR, German Space Agency), retired since 2005. (This all can be verified by using the already available references).

I dearly hope we can come to a conclusion. Cheers, JoachimSpaceops (talk) 18:30, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello again Spaceops. I hope that you forgive me for formatting your post, otherwise it will just be one big block of text. Thank you for changing your user name. That will make things much easier.


 * About the next comment: This is exactly the same arguments and speech we hear from every newcomer who have not understood how the WP works. Scholars have a particularly hard time understanding this since they are so used to be trusted as reliable sources and always call on their good name as verification, when we have absolutely no way of verifying who you really are. (I was also a skeptic in the beginning, but I have since realized that this is the only way this project can work.) The WP is working on a set of rules and guiderlines that I have no power to change just because you want me to. I am but one of about 50,000 volunteers working on this encyclopedia. Earlier I posted a "Welcome tablet" on your talk page. It would be much more efficient if you could just read about why the WP functions as it does at links such as the Introduction to Wikipedia and The five pillars of Wikipedia instead of having me writing the same thing all over again here. The WP is an encyclopedia and not a general forum for promoting all kinds of organizations or companies. All encyclopedias function along the same guidelines: If it is notable enough, it will be included. And someone will write about it, someday.


 * All articles rely on solid secondary sources since that is the only way that "anyone" can check that the information in the articles are correct. That is not "hearsay". Also people "inside" organizations tend to be biased, it is very hard to write about something you care about from a neutral point of view, hence the COI rule. Try to look at all of this from the WP point of view: Since the same rules apply to everyone and this is an international site, what do you think would happened if the WP allowed anyone who had "inside insight" to write freely about their company or organization? Do you really think the WP could maintain its high credibility if we had promotional articles about every little business, club, organization or lodge in the world?


 * Please read about the WP in the links, where editors with much more experience in these matters have written and explained about all of this. Or if you still want to keep up this debate, I suggest you do so in the Teahouse where you find lots of editors who love to discuss policies and such matters. My "area of expertise" so far, is to greet newcomers and point them in the right direction as well as write and fix articles. So, in a way you are really arguing WP policy with the janitor. :)


 * The paragraph about you should not be on the article, but on your user page. I suggest you ask at the Teahouse about how it should best be formulated. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  20:09, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Declaring a COI
I looked about a bit and found an editor with a COI. You can look at his page and see how he deals with this. See. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  20:51, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

What?
What is page patrolling?


 * Thank you for the advice! I will use it!!!! YoSoyUnHamster (talk) 21:56, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello YoSoyUnHamster. Page patrolling is just that you had created a new page an another editor took a quick look at it and decided that is was ok and did not have any "bad" things on it. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter  <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  22:01, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Placing an image, part III
Dear WCarter, Thank you very much for your latest info! Appreciate it very much. I will try to follow your advise(s) as closely as possible (I will definitely abstain from changing or further discussing WP's policy!). If our page survives it is only due to your help! Thanks again. Joachim87.142.23.45 (talk) 11:51, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok. :) Just remember to log in the next time so your IP doesn't become visible. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  15:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you!
Thank you for your note and links! Thegreatcatherine (talk) 16:30, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. :) Happy editing, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  16:33, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Bauer
I know it feels like you got bombed today, but just to say you have done a great job with that article and should be proud. Keep on going. Ceoil (talk) 00:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that was really kind of you to say. :) Bombarded? Yes. Do I mind it? No. I'm one of those "strange" editors who really enjoy cooperation. I love to see things I've started, or contributed to, grow and develop into something even better. Most good things don't get improved without some sweat and pain. I have not abandoned that article just yet, I've studied him for some 30 years, but only after the GA did I (finally) get hold of the rare book needed to provide the proper references for things like his musical interest, military service, theatre work, etc. I also know some more about editing and the WP than when I wrote that article, and that will come in handy. My goal is to take it to FA some day. I'm on another project right now, but these things will be added. All the best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  01:31, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Stand up of you. But been there done that (Vincent van Gogh) with a crowd coming down, and it aint easy. I see all the work you have put in, and hope I havnt been too peasky and annoying at least :) Ceoil (talk) 01:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ps re new books, I hear you, am expecting this any day soon, happy days. Ceoil (talk) 01:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Not pesky at all, you seem to know what you're doing. Ahh, nice book. I did say "some day"... It only looks like a lot of work on this article. I knew most of it by heart, the trick was just to find the refs to prove it. That is why it became one of the first articles I wrote here. "Knowing" something and getting it into the WP are two very different things, hence some facts are delayed getting written in the article. Good night for now, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  02:43, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * When you said 30 years knowledge my mind spung into action; as an auld fecker myself. You seem to have depth of knowledge, passion, and I respect that. Ceoil (talk) 02:54, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Inquiry about how to handle possible db-attack/vandalism
Dear W.carter,

Thank you for your welcome note, and I have been reading many articles to familiarize with the guidelines. I am writing to inquire if you may help with a concern dealing with possible db-attack/vandalism on the ARI LEHMAN article, by a particular user who has ignored comments on the Talk page and appears to have a bias against the article's subject, with the intent to create a negative conjectural interpretation and the user references non-reliable secondary sources. I would appreciate your insight, as I see the interaction as too much back and forth. Is there a more direct method for a neutral person such as you to review the article? I remain optimistic about cooperating and contributing to this site. Thegreatcatherine (talk) 23:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC) Dear W.carter, I re-read the material you provided and think I may have found the answer. Will let you know how it goes. Thank you again! Thegreatcatherine (talk) 01:26, 3 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello! It seems like you have taken a first and sensible step in preventing the vandalism, and other editors have apparently also seen the problem. I'm glad that the notes were helpful. :) Now, if you only write something on your user page and thereby creating it, your signature will turn from "newbie-red" to ordinary blue. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  08:37, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

A pitcher?
Thanks but I don't drink alcoholic beverages. Do you have anything else in your kitchen? Perhaps a cup of coffee?  Jim Car ter  09:20, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That's ok, neither do I. I'll leave another Gotlandic specialty for you instead. :) <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  10:03, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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How are you ?
Hello. Long time no see! (This is typical Indian casual hello!) Hope things are great at your end...I was bit busy at work last week, and this week too, hope next week will be bit better. tc Educationtemple (talk) 10:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Tjenare, läget! (The same casual hello, but in Swedish. :)) Nice to hear from you. Things have been rather busy here as well I'm afraid, and will continue to be so a couple of weeks on. No time for research so I just write or expand articles about our little island for now. Things I already know about and can find sources for very quickly. But whenever you start on some new project, just let me know and I'll be there as usual. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  10:27, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

I like it Tjenare, läget! I am in search of a less known but most important personality, or a historical fact that I would like to work upon in next month or so. I am becoming interested in the history of human civilization starting from 3000 bc or so. I am also reading about British India and specially the cast system in India. So many surprising facts are being revealed from books that are close to 200 yrs old or even more! I have some of them! Somehow, ancient Iran and a less known caste of India "Sunar" means Su= good and Nar=Man is coming up as most interesting one that seems to be the decedents of that time "Sumers". They used to do the Gold work in that time, and even today they do the work of gold. There are less than 0.1 million original "sunar's left now in all over the world. I must dig this all..... Educationtemple (talk) 10:48, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Those sounds like fascinating things to write about, just check so there are no earlier articles on the WP if you plan on doing one. Or you can expand an existing. Looking forward to read/work on them and learn some more. Not too much gold here though, just Islamic silver and small Buddha's brought home by the Vikings. ;) Back to work ... <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  11:08, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Did I ping you right?
Hello. I got your message in my talk box. I am new to wiki (As if no-one could tell) I have been on a Wiki Adventure, and am glad for all of the help. Thank you for taking the time to contact me. I have tried to ping you. Please let me know if I have succeeded in my attempt on my talk page. Once again thank you I am glad to be here.Lbhiggin (talk) 21:55, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello Lbhiggin! You almost got it right. You just did a common mistake that is always hard to avoid when trying to learn how a ping is made. The "nowiki"-part on either side of the "ping code" was just there so that you could see the code text in the normal text right away. It should not be included in the ping itself (as you can see here in the code where I have pinged you). On top of that another editor came by, and in trying to "help" you he only messed up the thing even more. But after this little episode, I think you'll get it right. All the best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter  <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  23:28, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

PS.
Wow, you made a really cool userpage! :) Yakikaki (talk) 08:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. :) It was about time to get organized. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  08:35, 7 February 2015 (UTC) (who now know one nice person hailing from Scania)
 * +1 Ceoil (talk) 18:57, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You mean there are two nice Scanians???? Wow! Gosh! Whodathought! That's good news. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter  <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  19:21, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm neither Scanian nor nice. Ceoil (talk) 19:29, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Apparently I misunderstood the +1. Sorry, it's been a long day and I have not had my dinner yet. Note to self: Insert food and brain before connecting to key board! I'll be back, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  19:35, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * np; just dont do it again. I just meant your user page is smart. Carry on. Ceoil (talk) 19:58, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I still have a lot to learn before I catch up on all the fast and efficient lingo used by experienced editors. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  09:38, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Your user page still didn't render properly when viewed from my phone. Beside that, I didn't found well known Wikipedia adventurer, "Jim Carter" in the list of Carters. ;-p  Jim  Car  ter  19:40, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * (aka The Adventurer) I know about the phone problem. Mine doesn't render it right either. And if my connection on the computer is slow for some reason, it displays it all before "contracting again" when the upload is complete. It seems like the Wiki-thingamagadget "hide/show" only works with some browsers. Pity, but I haven't found another option that does the same trick and renders perfect on all platforms. The various forms of /  and similar things on templates in articles does not work either on phones. Try looking at the article Gothenburg. It has loads of templates in "hidden mode" at the bottom. Most phones can't handle that either. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter  <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  19:54, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 11 February 2015
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The way we are
I saw this picture on AgastyaC's user page (Thank You for showing it! ) and thought it could be repeated just to put a smile on a dreary Sunday morning, when inspiration to do some "real" editing seems so very far away. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  10:19, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Lol! I saw something similar on Facebook few days ago.  Jim Car ter  14:37, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Queries
Hello, I have 2 queries. 1st on the teahouse page; your name was appearing w.carter ("w" was in lower case). So how can i get my "A" in lower case for my username? 2nd the process of uspuration is successfully completed. And thus now can i delete my previous account with which i have made no contributions except 2 talk pages? well that's it! thanks! aGastya 14:13, 15 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acagastya (talk • contribs)


 * As far as I know the "real" username = your official name, must always start with a capital letter (as you can see at the top of this page where my name is spelled W.carter), but if you customize your signature you can make it any way (almost) you want it. For customizing your signature you will find information at Signatures, there is also this page: Smurrayinchester's signature tutorial on how it's done and where you can find examples of signatures. When you have entered the new signature at "Preferences → User profile", the four tildes ( ~ ) will automatically create the signature when you type them and click on save. But I see that you still have some problems with creating those tildes, since your signatures are always autosigned by a bot. Not good. Are you perhaps editing from a phone?


 * Your other account cannot be deleted, no account can. I saw that an admin had moved everything for you. So from now on you just ignore the previous account. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  14:35, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * i am not using a cellphone now for editing. But ya there is some problem. the 4 ~ are not working. (i am not joking). if i type those or click the sign button, many a times a message of SineBot is on my talk page and i don't know where i am going wrong

--aGastya (talk) 16:23, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hmm, weird... But it seems to have worked this time. With most keyboards there is no way of getting the tildes to appear one at the time just by tapping the key once, you always have to double-click it and then you get two tildes at once. So try to rapidly tap four times (and you may have to press down the "Alt Gr" at the same time). As an alternative you can also click on the little "pen-icon" at the top of the editing window. It does the same trick. Try it out. --<em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  16:33, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

References, help
W. Carter, thanks for the step by step guide to listing references. After reviewing my list of references, I observe some puzzling inconsistencies: for example, in the first two entries the titles of the papers are in italics and the publishers are in regular type. In the third and fourth, the titles are in regular type (and in quotes!) and the publishers are in italics. I need some advice on how to make the format of the entries consistent and conformable to Wiki style. Ahlitanah (talk) 20:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Ahlitanah! What article are you talking about? The Antler orogeny or the Eureka Quartzite in your sandbox? I must know that if I'm to help you. If it is the one in your sandbox, there are some peculiar things going on there with the numbers. I think you have misunderstood that part. And what is that redirect doing at the top of the page?? As for the things italics/non-italics, quotation marks etc. Don't worry, you have filled in the things just right. The markup in those are quite different from the rest of the Wiki Markup. Those "styles" are auto formatted by the template you use and they cannot/should not be altered. Just look in some other articles and you'll see the same thing. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter  <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  20:47, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you!
You have been an encouragement to me here on Wikipedia by leaving me a cheerful banner on my talk page. Your thoughtfulness is appreciated.

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 * <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#E6E6FA;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkgray 0px 3px 3px;"> Bfpage &#124;leave a message 01:55, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

.css
I found that you reviewed my .css page. I guess it isn't working. As i have Math Bio subjects now and haven't learnt css, can you please rectify the errors. And after that, how to use it? Thanks![hope sign works :)] --aGastya (talk) 05:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello! The signing worked fine this time. As for the .css page, I'm afraid I can't help you. I only saw that you had created it when I was looking for the potential trouble with your signing and I patrolled it (not reviewed it) which is I just gave it an ok-check. Those are special pages that no-one but you can edit. I see that you have tried to fix a code for your signature there. Unfortunately I've never tried it that way. The way to customize it by placing a code in your Preferences→User profile→Signature, is much easier. That is the way described in the second tutorial Smurrayinchester's signature tutorial. Remove the code from your .css and start over with that instead and I think you'll get it right. On that page you also have a lot of examples to start tweaking with, experiment in your sandbox. If you get stuck, tell me how you want your signature, and I'll help you.


 * Anyway, you had missed a "|" in the code, that's one reason why it did not render right. I have fixed that in the code on a copy here (I think this is how you want it ??)


 * aGastya  Let's +a||< ab0ut it :)




 * Just a suggestion, I'm not so sure that it is such a good idea to use leet in your signing. Most editors here have no clue about it (as I have discovered) and will just assume that there is something "wrong" with your signing. Again. ;b Also, if you choose such unusual fonts as you have, the signature will just appear in a default font on most computers (like mine). Use a more common font that is included in most programs like Arial, Calibri, Times, etc. The person reading your post must have the font installed on their computer to see it right. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  09:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay! Well that was it how it wanted. Thanks! Well i went for a simpler font and after this reply it would be the first try! ~" aGastya "  &#9993; let’s talk about it  :) 13:17, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That looks much better, only you made it BIG which is a no-no since it will disrupt other texts when used. Just remove the "font-size:120%" and "font-size:150%" and let it be just regular. Generally, editors like to be "shouted at". Otherwise it's just fine. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  13:24, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

made it smaller! ‍‍‍‍‍~" aGastya "  &#9993; let’s talk about it  :) 13:31, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Great! Very nice! Also, you know the "cool-factor" sort of works "in reverse" here: Make so-so edits, leave a big signature and others will just ignore you. Make a fantastic edit, leave a small signature and editors will really notice you. Happy editing, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter  <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  13:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Breaking news
In the mean time, I received google alert about Sunil Kumar Verma. This is breaking! Just read a news from Indian, Chines, Iraqi, and other news sources. I think the DNA barcoding article on wiki could be updated with news about this latest controversy / alternatively we can wait and watch..... Lets take advise from. I see that the news include the statement from Paul D. N. Hebert who says that he was "unaware" of Verma's work to give a credit! Interesting! Educationtemple (talk) 14:23, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Since this is breaking news and a very recent thing it is always best to wait and watch as things develop for a week or so. As of now we have no way of knowing how this controversy is going to develop. When the dust settles, we can report in the article what happened. Stay tuned and collect the urls in the meantime. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  14:41, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Yah! That would be better. We must wait for a statement from Canada too! Matter seems serious. Educationtemple (talk) 14:47, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, and if it's serious it is even more important to wait until we have the "final verdict". This is an encyclopedia and not CNN. ;) <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  14:55, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree. Educationtemple (talk) 04:14, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I only just saw that this didn't get posted yesterday due to an edit conflict: As my counsels, let's wait and see...  Philg88 ♦talk 05:38, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Going fast! Article in Nature India Educationtemple (talk) 14:53, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it seems so. Interesting to see where it ends up, but I doubt it would qualify for In the news. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  15:02, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Canada is concerned over the matter (This) after news flesh in Canada (1) (2) (3). Lets wait for comments from Canada over the matter...news is already published in more than 20 countries like a fire.... Educationtemple (talk) 15:31, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * One thing's for certain: Your articles are going to be read a lot. Pity that the "Page view statistics" is not working properly(as of circa 2015-02-02) and the editor who maintain it has gone AWOL. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  15:45, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

If a new article is created say for example "Universal primer technology Vs DNA barcoding, then it may have rolling news like the 26/11 time. And it may then be "in the news" section on main page - not sure though.....if anything like this exist on wp Educationtemple (talk) 16:10, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not really familiar with how the "In the news" works. I have never edited any article for that section. You'll have to ask someone else about that. Maybe Jim know, he gets around a bit more than I do. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  16:20, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Let it happen by itself. Any way, in few days we will know. And then we can update all relevant articles such as DNA barcoding Sunil Kumar Verma and any other that is related to this news / international discussion. I dont think Canada will stay cool over this. Educationtemple (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Read WP:ITN to know what are the criteria. Basically the article can be featured "In the news" section but the news need to be really big. That means, news papers of at least 4 country should feature the news. For example: Times of India, Telegraph, UK, New York times, BBC etc. ITN is similar to DYK but here the requirements are different. I once nominated an article for ITN but it failed :(  Jim Car  ter  17:31, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Right now I can see it rolling on: Times of India, Gulf News, Business-Standard, China national news, Iraq Sun, Canada Standard, Shanghai Sun, Hans India, The Statesman, Kansas City Post, Miami Mirror, US News Net, Indianapolis Post, Nepal National, Pakistan Telegraph, Times of AP, Vancouver Star, Denmark News, Copenhagen News, Canada News and Nature India. This seems breaking news, but no great discussion yet. Hebert is one of the top scientist in the world and only known for the discovery of DNA barcoding. Seems that Verma discovered this technology with the name "Universal primer technology" much before P D N Hebert and got it patented too. Seems bizarre and a total mess! Educationtemple (talk) 21:36, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * WOW! You certainly will not have any shortage of sources for new sections in the articles. Almost difficult to sort out, but you can do some preliminary work and see which papers have the original story and which have only copied from others. Who would have thought your articles would be this newsworthy. ;) <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  21:44, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I know I am not supposed to do original research and analysis here, but for my own sake, I am trying to understand the matter. Hebert published his work in 2003 (as also cited in this article on WP) but team Verma in 2001 as even I have cited from one of the source reference for Universal primer technology in Sunil Kumar Verma. Hebert use "Cytochrome c" and Verma proposed "Cytochrome b" for the purpose of animal species identification. Step wise flow of the technology is also same. According to breaking news article above Hebert said that he was not aware of Verma's work, which is childish statement for any scientist. There seems to be some grace in the matter and Canada has to address the issue or give equal credit to team Verma in the title of "Father of DNA Barcoding" as Hebert is known with in entire world! Interesting! I must get 100 out of 100 in my final year law! Educationtemple (talk) 22:03, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There is nothing wrong with structuring your thoughts. It can give you a better view when you write the sections later. It really helps to understand what you are writing about. And it's good practice for you if you are studying law and is expected to present clear cases later in life. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  22:13, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Verma should hire me and you if he needs a defense! Lol...I am eager to read response of Canada on this, since outcome of this story may change the answers of many fundamental questions in basic academic books of our law syllabus including "who invented DNA barcoding for wildlife crime and food fraud investigations" I personally feel that truth should win at the end Educationtemple (talk) 22:28, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

WOW! K S Jayaraman, the journalist who brought this news on the surface is also on wiki (this)... Educationtemple (talk) 22:35, 12 February 2015 (UTC)


 * At least Verma knows who you are, since he has your article on his website. I must work a bit on an article I'm starting now, but it will be interesting to see how this develops. All the best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  22:43, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

me too off to sleep again...good evening...night...day...whatever it is in Sweden. tc Educationtemple (talk) 23:11, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You can see up top right on this page (under the tree, above the cat) what time it is where I live. :) G'night, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  23:19, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Good morning teacher. Educationtemple (talk) 06:40, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Upddate
Update 16 Feb: News on IBN7

Also "Nature India" posts on its facebook page as

"Is it Universal Primer Technology (UPT)? Or is it DNA barcoding? Read to find out what's causing a row over this DNA-based animal identification method." (here)

For sure, the DNA barcoding is on dispute now, since Nature India is not a small publisher!! What do you think ??? Dear and  are you following this piece of news? Educationtemple (talk) 18:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry Educationtemple, I haven't had the time to follow this lately. Most of Sweden and Denmark have been a bit preoccupied with following updates and consequences of the 2015 Copenhagen shootings these last days. I'll see if I can have a look at it all later, I'm very tired right now and need some dinner. I'll get back to you, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  19:42, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * So, I have taken a look and I don't think there is anything else to do but wait and report the final verdict. If you start adding something to any article right now, you will only end up correcting it again and again. And no matter how big Nature India is, you will need an actual publication and not their Facebook page for the reference. ;) <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  21:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, here it is. But I agree that we will wait for more reports by different authors world-wide. I am also not in hurry, just shared with you about the update that I am following. Cheers! Educationtemple (talk) 05:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

17 Feb: Students discussing the issue in "Current Affair" sections for preparation of their competitive exams. Link 1, Link 2 Educationtemple (talk) 19:00, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you could enlist the students as your assistants with the article. :D <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  20:07, 17 February 2015 (UTC)