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Mediation Cabal/Cases/Maria Ozawa and CAJ
I have just had a look at this but I am not going to take the case on. I think the problem is quite simple. Adding "Maria Ozawa" to the CAJ article is clearly something that would be unacceptable to CAJ if it was not true that she went to the school. Therefore it is particularly important that verifiable reliable sources are given to support the statement that she did go to the school. That is all that those who are reverting the inclusion are saying. You just need a good source and reference it correctly on both page. Her blog will not do. The other entries of people need sources too but these are not as contentious. If you do source it correctly and it still gets reverted then you do have a real dispute on your hands. --Bduke 07:26, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi W4wan, I've just become aware of your request for mediation because of a post on the CAJ talk page about it. I am surprised you felt it appropriate to bother other editors without talking to me about your concerns first. I'm not some shill for CAJ - far from it. I started reverting this edit a while ago when I noticed on a routine patrol that it was being added into the article again and again by anonymous IPs without a citation. Requests for citations were not responded to and one named editor who added the edit in while claiming to have a citation did not provide it when asked. This type of editing behavior lead me :to believe the edit was being added either to promote Ozawa somehow (most of my patrolling on Wikipedia is around Spam so I'm particularly suspicious of repeated unsupported edits by anon IP addresses) or more because people wanted it to be the case than because we had an encyclopedic basis for adding it. I have no problem with other "notable" students being removed from the article (I have no idea who those other students are at all), I just don't take a particularly active role in editing the article, so haven't done it myself. If an editor can provide a reliable source that backs up Marie Ozawa's status as an ex-student I will support her inclusion in a notable student section. -- Siobhan Hansa 03:25, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure from your post to my talk page quite where we stand. You seem to be trying to build a dialogue, but your message is kind of hostile.  I'm not sure if this will actually help any, but I wanted to respond to your two comments at the end of your message as you appear to have misunderstood me:


 * The edit summary wikilink Maria Ozawa, remove mention of alumni who isn't notable enough for a wikipedia article, remove link to pdf document from official site - users can get to it from the site if they want it. which you seem to have read as implying Ozawa was not notable.  Well yes, you did misread it, and appear to not actually have looked at the edit itself.  The reference to notability was with respect to Mark Joseph, not Ozawa.  If you look at the edit I made, you'll see I didn't delete Ozawa at the time, I wikilinked her name to her Wikipedia article and deleted Joseph.  This was a couple of months ago and, I believe, the first edit I made to the article, before the lack of citation became an obvious issue.


 * On the lack of response - I was not aware you were in Asia, I hope you have not been too badly inconvenienced (or worse) by the earthquakes. However, my comment about your lack of response was nothing to do with the earthquake time frame.  I was irritated that you had found time to start a request for mediation but had not bothered to respond to the [Talk:Christian_Academy_in_Japan|CAJ talk page posts] about Ozawa from November.


 * -- Siobhan Hansa 04:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)