User talk:WBDrees

Hello, WBDrees. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places, or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic, and it is important when editing Wikipedia articles that such connections be completely transparent. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, we ask that you please:


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Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you. Melcous (talk) 15:00, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Dear Melcous, Thank you for your friendly message, pointing out that I did not follow proper procedure on editing the page on myself (and also the one on my grandfather, Willem Drees). My apologies. I noticed that the page was out of date, and intended to make factual corrections, while disclosing my own involvement and interest. On future occassions, I'll use the talk-route to propose changes to such pages. Yours, Willem B. Drees WBDrees (talk) 15:57, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Willem, thanks for your reply and for your understanding. Yes, please do make suggestions on the talk pages, and if possible, include reliable, independent sources to verify the changes you are proposing. I saw your note on the article about you - if you are able to provide sources for the information that needs to be updated, I'm happy to have a look at them and make the changes. Cheers, Melcous (talk) 03:45, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

WBDrees, you are invited to the Teahouse!
At invitation of Melcous, as a possible way to fill in the 'citation needed' with the paragraph that starts: "As of November 2014 ..." - a press release in Dutch, by Tilburg University (with both the November 2014 professorship and the January 2015 dean position): https://uvtapp.uvt.nl/tsb11/npc.npc.showpressreleasecm?v_id=6467821878823705 - a main link as support for the claim that I became dean of the Tilburg School of Humanities, Tilburg University, is my webpage atthe university, https://www.tilburguniversity.edu/webwijs/show/w.b.drees/. An other option on the positionis the university's pages for the school, https://www.tilburguniversity.edu/about/schools/humanities/organization/management/, but this one does not list the January 1, 2015, start. If further materfial is needed, feel free to send me a message, via the user talk or directly (wb@drees.nl) WBDrees (talk) 15:19, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Some proposed changes
COI: Last year, I updated some information in this article (Willem_B._Drees), which is about myself. I was corrected as this was inappropriate; my apologies for the mistake. The article had originally been initiated and written by someone else; it is not my own initiative or autobiography. There are various minor details that are not correct. As there was also a request for additional citations, I offer some possible suggestions. I am happy to leave it up to others to see whether any of these suggestions are appropriate and relevant for the Wikipedia lemma. Some issues may also be resolved by taking out information that is not too relevant.

1.	The textbox, under “Alma mater", lists three PhD degrees. However, the first (“theoretical physics” was not a PhD, but a “doctoraal degree”, which has a lower status. It is no longer used in this way. Under the Bologna rules for higher education, it is equivalent to an MSc (Master of Science). Hence, either delete “PhD theoretical physics Utrecht University 1977” or modify into “MSc theoretical physics, Utrecht University, 1977”.

2.	Textbox, under "Awards" one might add: member of the Koninklijke Hollandsche Maatschappij der Wetenschappen ; )

3.	Introductory paragraph: In case the final sentence (“As of January 2015 …”) is considered to need a reference, the Dutch press release might do:

4.	Biography, first paragraph: the current note [2] provided is odd, as the information in the text is about my father and grandfather, whereas the note is about my own work. I suggest three options: - As there are references to other articles in Wikipedia, there may not be need for an external reference. - One might offer links to the official website for the history of the Dutch parliament and cabinet; on the father and on the grandfather (again, both in Dutch).

5.	2d paragraph of the Biography - 2d sentence “From 2001 until 2009 he was (…) at Leiden University.” – No, this was from 2001 until 2014 (October). See the press release on the appointment in Tilburg (above, item 3), - “His main research focus was on the influence of technology and ecology on religious beliefs and practices.”[note 3]: The link provided is not effective anymore. Furthermore, I would rather suggest "the influence of science and technology on …” - ‘ecology’ was only occasionally an issue in my work. A remark about science fits the editorship of Zygon: Journal of Religion and Science; evidence is provided by the list of Works, later in this article.

6.	3d, 4th and 5th paragraph of the Biography have no references. A fairly complete CV is available on the web at - In the 5th paragraph, the 2000 Dickinson Distinguished Visiting Professor: - Appointment Tilburg: see again - Inaugural address Tilburg: this one is Open Access available at the university portal: But the link is currently already in note 10, with the Works.

7.	Religious Naturalism, 1st paragraph, after note 4: “The analysis of naturalism as addressed in his Religious Naturalism and Science ….” – the title should have been Religion, Science and Naturalism (see ; the link in note 5 is fine for the justification that this has remained a topic also at later moments.

8.	Religious naturalism, 2d paragraph: The first sentence, on an IRAS conference: A link to support this information could be

9.	References, 11, is a link which is no longer functional. In its place could be:

Again, I am happy to leave it to others which references and corrections are sufficiently relevant for Wikipedia use.

Willem B. Drees; wb@drees.nl and w.b.drees@tilburguniversity.edu WBDrees (talk) 16:24, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Some proposed changes / response to the quote box with reviewer decisions
COI: See my earlier message, 16 April 2018, and response by Spintendo Dear Spintendo, Thank you for following up on my suggestions on the Wikipedia article on myself. With respect to the remaining questions and comments:

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Under Awards: The reference for the election to membership in the Koninklijke Hollandsche Maatschappij der Wetenschappen should have been:. The wikipedia-link was only to a page with information on the society itself. But it can also be left out. ---

Introductory paragraph, note 3 of Spintendo: (a) The reference to the Dutch press release would fit at the end of the 2d paragraph, with “at Tilburg University, the Netherlands.” (b) This 2d paragraph, from "Drees has been the editor ...." until "Tilburg University, the Netherlands." as a whole might also be moved to the end of the section on Biography. ---

With Spintendo’s note 4: (a) Please change the passage “His main research focus was on the influence of technology and ecology on religious beliefs and practices.” into “His main research focus was on the influence of science and technology on religious beliefs and practices.” (b) The accompanying note 5 of the article, to “Princeton People and Fellows” is no longer active, and better be deleted.The evidence for the description is in the list of Works. Or else, just leave the sentence "His main research focus ... practices." out. ---

As the Biography has been substantially shortened, there are no 3d, 4th and 5th paragraph of the CV anymore, and hence no need for accompanying references. - - -

Spintendo’s final comment on the earlier Reference 11, with his Note 6: OK; paragraph has been deleted and hence needs no reference anymore. - - -

I hope with this input I have resolved the remaining issues, and hence the ‘template’ with the article might perhaps be removed. Yours, Willem B. Drees (wb@drees.nl) WBDrees (talk) 07:06, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

suggestions about lemma about myself (COI)
In 2017 I updated the lemma on myself. I was informed that this was inappropriate (main interactions in 2017 with Melcous and in 2018 with Spintendo). I apologize for not adhering to proper procedures. At that time, I have provided further information to others who could consider whether to use that in editing the page or not.

(1) The page still is flagged as having two issues, listing this involvement of mine as one. I did not create the lemma, much longer ago, nor did I edit it substantially; it was factual, such as a change of university. I wonder whether there is anything I could do to have this consideration in the flagging removed?

(2) The other issue raised is the need for additional citations. I will not touch the article, but herewith offer some relevant information to provide the requested information and update where relevant, leaving it to others to see whether this can be accommodated in the lemma. a. Initial text, second sentence: “He is the editor-in-chief” is out of date. It could now be “From 2008 until 2018, he was the editor-in-chief of …”. If this change is executed, the attached note 1 could be revised to become: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/zygo.12471. b. Under BIOGRAPHY, 2d paragraph, on the presidency of ESSSAT, it has ‘citation needed’. As the website of ESSSAT has moved and be redesigned, it does not have relevant historical material. The best reference, I am sorry to say, is an article published by myself:    Willem B. Drees, “The Early History of the European Conferences on Science and Religion and of ESSSAT.” In Embracing the Ivory Tower and Stained Glass Windows: A Festschrift in Honor of Archbishop Antje Jackelén, ed. by Jennifer Baldwin. Springer, 2016, pp. 211-229, p. 212. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-319-23944-6_17. c. Under BIOGRAPHY, the line with note 4. The sentence refers to positions at Leiden University, before going to Tilburg, but the note refers to the press release from Tilburg University. Besides, the link in the note is no longer active. To avoid confusion, I would suggest to delete the sentence “According to Tilburg University ….”, ending with note 4. d. In its place, one might add: "From 2015 until the end of 2018, Drees served as dean of the Tilburg School of Humanities, renamed in 2018 Tilburg School of Humanities and Digital Sciences.” If this is included, a possible reference would be: https://universonline.nl/2018/01/19/drees-stops-dean-humanities e. Note 8 and 9 are together, following a quote. However, the current note 9 would be better placed at the end of a preceding sentence (which ends “(2001). “, because the current note 9 refers to that conference. The current note 8 fits with the quote. Of course, if separated in this way the numbers 8 and 9 would have to be reversed to reflect the order of appearance. f. Note 10 asks for a page number with the reference to the book by Jerome Stone; that should be page 15. g. In the last line of the text before the WORKS, there is a link to Karl Peters, but this is a link within Wikipedia to Carl Peters, whereas the link should be to Karl E. Peters, a philosopher of religion who also is subject of a lemma in wikipedia.

Is there anything more I should provode and/or can do to remove the flagging template? Yours, Willem B. Drees (wb@drees.nl )WBDrees (talk) 21:23, 24 January 2019 (UTC)