User talk:WDGraham/July 2014

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Spaceflight template
You have recommended to use spaceflight infobox template instead of spacecraft infobox template. But i found spaceflight template too complex and unnecessary. Why to bother creating such over-universal templates?--Trurle (talk) 21:08, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It isn't over-universal and it is no more complex than the other one apart from having more fields - by all means only use the ones you need. Ignorning community consensus on standards and doing your own thing is unhelpful as you are just creating work for the rest of us to bring it in line. -- W.  D.   Graham  07:16, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Another barnstar for you
I came across the Orbit template. What a cool idea. —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 02:03, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks -- W.  D.   Graham  07:17, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

ITN credit
ThaddeusB (talk) 20:57, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Aeros 2 to AEROS (satellite)
FYI.

Regarding Orbital launches in 1974, corrected Wikilink Aeros 2 to AEROS (satellite) since it links to Ukrainian ultralight trike. Refer this edit. Kindly revert the edit, If required. Thanks! - Ninney (talk) 20:14, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a complex case so I'll sort it out at some point in the future - Aeros 2 needs an article but I'm not sure where's best to put it. -- W.  D.   Graham  19:56, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Discussion closed. - Ninney (talk) 00:50, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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An article "first" for SpaceX (reprise)
Hey WD. We are just three days ahead of a SpaceX Falcon 9 launch, and for the first time, no one has created an article for the mission. If you look at List of Falcon 9 launches, there's no article at the link given (OG2 Mission 1) and the one I had thought I had seen somewhere else (Orbcomm OG2) is also still a red link. I don't know if something else exists, but if it does, it hasn't been picked up by the SpaceX-interested editors and put in the list of launches article.

I'm agnostic about the mission article. I don't personally care one way or the other if it gets created. However, the mission article was the norm for the old WP:LAUNCHES guideline, and they usually get created by someone for SpaceX flights, so we are in a bit new territory here.

The launch itself is however, once again, quite notable for the booster recovery tests that follow the booster ascent. It looks like they may actually recover their wet booster this time, as they seem to have succeeded in the soft ocean touchdown last time. Some time ago, I created a redir link for Falcon 9 Flight 10, and that currently points at the main Orbcomm sat constellation article.

So here is my novel thought: I'm thinking of going ahead and creating a launch article, and would just use Falcon 9 Flight 10 as the name, turning the redir into a stub article. However, since this is still rather different from the old order, and in fact, may be one of the first semi-normal launches to have its own article, I'd like to know:
 * 1) what you think about it?
 * 2) if you'd be willing to stop by after I get a stub up and help make the article more standard for WP launches?

Thanks. Look forward to your input. N2e (talk) 15:58, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd be inclined to see it a fairly routine launch, but as long as it doesn't replace the function of the payload article(s), doesn't exclude the possibility of future articles on the individual satellites (unlikely to be any time soon for Orbcomms but I'm concerned about the principle) and doesn't end up in Orbital launches in 2014 or the payloads section of 2014 in spaceflight then I'd say create it at Falcon 9 Flight 10. When it was proposed a while back there was no opposition to replacing WP:LAUNCHES with User:WDGraham/Spaceflight notability; maybe now would be a good time to bring it back. -- W.  D.   Graham  18:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the input. I don't know what I'll get done on it, as some non-wiki work has intervened.  But if their is no Orbcomm G2 mission 1 article before the launch, I'll be inclined to create the one you mentioned as long as I have the time.  Here is the press kit for OG2 M1:    Looks like that gives the official name SpaceX and O/ATK are calling the mission.  Cheers.  N2e (talk) 13:15, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If it is a launch article then the title should be rocket name, not payload/mission name. I would be very much opposed to any title with the word "Orbcomm" in it. -- W.  D.   Graham  18:10, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I concur with you entirely on that point. I am assuming Falcon 9 Flight 10 if I create it.  N2e (talk) 00:02, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I finally created a stub launch article for this launch. Notable both for the (now) many delays and scrubs, as well as for the booster recovery effort. There is still no satellite mission article around, and the List of Falcon 9 launches table was getting overloaded with detail of the launch delays and (soon???) the launch.

I will keep working on the stub article. Expect it to change a lot. Cheers. N2e (talk) 12:13, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


 * So in keeping with our WProjSpaceflight evolving thinking on launch articles, and on sat articles, ...
 * Is the Falcon 9 Flight 10 article the first separate launch article in Wikipedia? Are there others based on notability of the launch itself, separate from articles about launchers that explode or are destroyed before reaching orbit?  N2e (talk) 05:33, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, it's the first (excluding those that were merged/moved/split under the old guidelines). What we need to do next is put into place the framework which was developed to accommodate these articles - custom launch infobox, payload and object tables, etc. It's all still in my userspace somewhere so I'll get onto that tonight or tomorrow. -- W.  D.   Graham  18:15, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Future NRO launches and rocket assignments
Hi. I think you would be interested in the discussion on the rocket assignments for some of the future launches of NRO payloads that are under bidding or not yet been released for bid in here: Talk:List of NRO Launches. Galactic Penguin SST (talk) 05:40, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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