User talk:WLU/arb evidence

Omnilord thing
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Omnilord&diff=next&oldid=80088806

personal attack warning
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=prev&oldid=73158199

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=prev&oldid=73399360

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mystar1959

stuff
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=63604265

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=64119558

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=64156116

dislike goodkind = bad person
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=64158133

missing the point
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=prev&oldid=64388635

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=64406046

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=64411577

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=71938845

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=72620803

bad faith
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=72321511

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=72327959

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=72338071 (other address)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=72446587 ditto

I'm not the only one
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=72477278

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=72615288

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=72629980

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=72632669

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=72645801

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=72651879

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=72730681

failure to take steps to reduce conflict
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=72731082

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&diff=next&oldid=72956263

users, not content
Requests_for_arbitration/WLU-Mystar/Workshop

new stuff
Requests_for_arbitration/WLU-Mystar/Workshop

I am super, super curious to know the path of logic would lead to me smearing Terry Goodkind on the Cat's Claw, Lupus Erythematosus, T'lan Imass, Eccentric and Concentric contraction pages.

missing the point (2)



 * Not sure what this proves. For one thing, there are a variety of links on the Terry Goodkind website that use Mystar's website as sources - somewhat natural that my IP would show up.  For another, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one with this IP, as it is a pretty generic one with a very popular internet company.  Plus I'm pretty sure it changes fairly frequently.  If Mystar blocks mine, he might be blocking a variety of people who live in the same city as me, and it might not even block me.  And I never said that I have never visited the site, I said I've never posted any comments, which I haven't.  And this is just about the most pointless bag of letters I've ever read.  What does it prove?  And how have I intruded?  By reading the website and never, ever posting something?



That's why I called it PA/incivility. And the statement "I'm discovering new ones all the time" originates in the search through the diffs of the TG talk page, among others. And if I was still finding diffs in Mystar's current contributions, that's problematic and evidence of further ill-faith. How am I controlling Mystar's posts? Am I following him to pages and posting comments? Is his fear that I might read something offensive or uncivil making him be more civil? Hardly problematic the second.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terry_Goodkind&curid=1708642&diff=108367864&oldid=108348029

Oh my fucking God, it has to be deliberate.

Therapy
wow

awesome

I guess this means the other 3000 edits totally unrelated to Terry Goodkind are an elaborate beard, not to mention the complete lack of negative contributions to the Terry Goodkind for months on end. I'm just biding my time, cackle cackle. My ultimate plan was to sign up for a userid on wikipedia, wait the 30-50 years for Mystar to die, then BAM, single-handedly ruin Terry Goodkind's reputation with a few keystrokes, all apparently occurring subconsciously as I completely lack a memory of consciously deciding to do so. I am a frickin' genius.

I love the admission that this has absolutely nothing to do with the case. That's the best thing in the world.

TG talk page external links
http://www.bookstandard.com/bookstandard/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002878399 1Spider-Man director Sam Raimi, and his producing partner Joshua Donen, will develop a miniseries based on Terry Goodkind’s bestselling “Sword of Truth” series. Production will begin within a year, with Wizard’s First Rule, the first book in the series. 2Goodkind, who has previously turned down film offers, was struck by Raimi and Donen’s idea for a miniseries. 3“It’s a dream come true to work with someone of such remarkable vision, talent and ability,” Goodkind said in a statement released today. “Given Sam’s sincere love for these stories and his determination to only make great films, this mini series will be a watershed event.” 4Phantom, the latest in the ten-book series, was released last week, with the 11th set for release in early 2007. The ninth book, Chainfire, was released in January 2005 and has sold more than 235,000 in hardcover and mass-market editions, as tracked by Nielsen BookScan. 5Raimi is currently wrapping Spider-Man 3, with Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst. - http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=15750
 * A "Spider-Man" franchise director Sam Raimi and his producing partner Joshua Donen have optioned rights for Terry Goodkind's bestselling "Sword of Truth" adventure series, published by Tor Books.
 * B Having been approached by Hollywood a number of times over the past decade, Goodkind was never convinced that his 400,000 word novels could be successfully compressed into worthwhile feature films. In a meeting at the author's home, the renowned director and producer instead conceived of a groundbreaking mini-series. Within two hours Goodkind was sold on the concept and negotiations commenced. Ten months later the deal was finally concluded.
 * C "It's a dream come true to work with someone of such remarkable vision, talent, and ability," Goodkind said. "Given Sam's sincere love for these stories and his determination to only make great films, this mini-series will be a watershed event."
 * D All of Goodkind's novels have been international bestsellers. Translated into 20 foreign languages, there are over 10 million copies in print. The "Sword of Truth" series began with "Wizard's First Rule" in 1994. The 10th novel in the series, "Phantom," is on sale now. The 11th and final volume is under contract and will be published in 2008.
 * E Raimi and Donen hope to begin production of the opening mini-series, "Wizard's First Rule," within the next year, to be followed by ensuing volumes of the epic novels. The development process will begin while Raimi completes Spider-Man 3.

1 and A are the same information. 2 and B are the same information. 3 and C are the same quote 4 and D are different information about book publishing. Of the 2, the coming soon is the better info for the TG page as it's got information about the number of languages and copies in print. 5 and E are the same information.

There is nothing in the book standard link that is not in the coming soon link in greater detail. There is no reason to have this link in the external links.

recent terry goodkind
first removal

first talk page posting

first revert

second removal

second revert

second talk page posting

third removal

first talk reply

third revert

final removal by uninvolved user

third talk page posting

second reply

fourth posting, moved from arb case

fifth posting with verbatim comparison

insane reply

sixth posting

seventh posting

recent ASOIAF
changed title

Mystar reverts with spurious reason

Other uninvolved user reverts

Old lupus
intro sentence to treatment section

Mystar's addition of fact tag

Mystar's challenge on talk page

my reply (and follow-up)

other user's comments

I remove fact tag

What I don't want is to have to pull in other editors every time I add info to one of Mystar's pet pages and he starts reverting me out of pique.

stalking


As a courtesy, I make a point of not editing pages that Mystar make changes to unless it is one that is already on my watchlist. This is because I know how aversive it can be to be followed by someone you don't respect or like. On top of that, many of the changes Mystar made worsened the pages and I had to fix the mistakes. Not to mention stalking me to a page, then slapping it with a spurious AFD tag out of pique.

therapy (2)

 * My reply to some of the statements. It's a waste of time to post these on the arb page itself, so they're mostly a way of venting without the arb committee having to read even more.

Well, let me add a few items here. Let us be crystal clear on the Terry Goodkind pages. As Neofreak stated that as I also stated (with proofs) that outside elements were at work to discredit and vandalize the Goodkind pages.


 * Except this hasn't happened.

We clearly see some of the extent of that from user WLU who has been extremely vocal about wanting to do harm to Goodkind, his reputation and even goes so far as to place may offensive statements on her user page & I politely asked for user WLU to bring her/his user page into line with a more NPOV face, which was rebuffed with "well show me policy then....No? Well up it stays!"


 * On my user page, not the TG page. Where was I vocal?  That there is no diff means this comment is pissing in the wind.

Later WLU knowing quite well the conduct unbecoming removes it,


 * Showing I read the policy and decided that it did apply, that I am amendable to reasonable discussion.

But I think this gives a crystal clear view into the intent to disrupt, cause consternation and discord, and yet WLU wants to have "me" removed from editing the Goodkind pages, where I've made countless excellent edits on content, summary, fact of information and keeping vandals at bay. Again the problem is not me.


 * What, 6 other people also had problems with the edits? Both of us being blocked means no conflict, and I believe I've reverted far more vandals than pretty much any other long-term editor to the page.
 * Also, I didn't suggest the arbitration ruling, that was the arbitrators.
 * Also (ii), the edits were generally not seen as excellent by other editors, including myself.

WLU clearly states as fact As for wanting TG shamed, I'd say I've downgraded to wanting at least the fact that his books involve strong and explicit violence, torture, etc
 * So what?

Regardless of what claims WLU wishes to assert as to my making the Lupus pages a mess, my editing of the Lupus pages, Cats claw etc, did not make them worse.


 * I think they did.

Many of my changes are still intact, format, statements, just rewritten by WLU.


 * When they were worthwhile, I re-worded them to remove plagiarism and left them up.

I ask any admin to read my edits on the pages. I made good edits and contributed to them with information that still stands to this day.


 * Showing that I don't remove good information. Unlike Mystar.  Also, the arb committee doesn't deal with content disputes and they aren't going to go fishing without diffs.

The only person who had any problem with any edits I made to them is WLU, who made a war out of it.


 * Yup, 'cause I think many are low-quality edits and there are never reasons given.

Lupus and Lupus SLE are two differing types of the same disease.


 * No they are not.

This is also why they are listed separately. My daughter died if this horrid thing, my wife suffers from it to a great degree. I live it, so I happen to know the effects and depth of the disease. Doctors, specialist etc. within the Rheumatoid profession will also attest to this fact. So stating that they are two differing this is in fact quite correct.


 * Show me a reference.

As to ASOIAF, I ask any admin to look at the links provided. I added my vote to consensus of Kevin on the matte, and then I allowed it to drop. Not worth more grief.


 * There was no reason to revert the title.

As for the other link again, I ask an admin to look at it independently, you will find nothing wrong with my comments or my edits. Looking further we have WLU claming vandalism where none exists. and when I was attacked for reverting a simply and honest discussion on a talk page where it is meant to be, and WLU insisted on removing honest and pertinent posts on a talk page...where it is meant to be place. I direct you to any admin who will attest to the fact that the user jamhaw committed no act of vandalism, rather this is more of WLU's page ownership problems.


 * Jamhaw's edit (if it is actually him) make no sense. There was no discussion or reply.

. JWSchmidt, Lars, Cowman_109, as well as several other Admins have all look that over and said the same exact thing, WLU was page owning. WLU acted inappropriately.


 * They've never told me directly so I have no way of knowing if this is true or not.

I have very little time to devote to this kind of tomfoolery. But I would suggest that some admin look into WLU's edits and find out for themselves that any edit that WLU doesn't care for, no matter how good it is, or how honorable a user is in making it, WLU will list it as vandalism and berate said user. Is this really that way we want to treat newer users?


 * Show me a diff. I don't know how honor can impact a page.  I think these generalized statements are absurd and patent nonsense.

As WLU has stated she/he has no knowledge of the books other than reading a few reviews. This does not constitute being able to edit with any kind of knowledge as to content and or specifics to the pages.


 * And I never have.

WLU has also made many attempts at, and succeeded in slandering Goodkind on Wikipedia, attacking his character and name-calling. Is this the kind of use you want editing a page of someone they openly profess to hold the highest distain for? No I think not.


 * Lots of people write articles about others they don't like on wikipedia. Critical commentary is allowed as long as it is referenced, balanced and NPOV.

Again At my suggestion Runch, Omni and I have started a Sword of Truth Wiki-project, and since this has been started we have been working on consensus and collaboration for the good of the pages and Wiki as a whole. This kind of cooperation and inter action can only be a good thing.


 * Spent more time following me around than on the wikiproject.

amends



 * I don't remember amends

mentors



 * I don't think I need a mentor, and I think it would be a waste of time. Though a mentor might help with understanding each other's rationalization of edits.
 * What biting?
 * Admins might think it is ridiculous, but the arbitrators don't.

no edits


As WLU has stated she/he has no knowledge of the books other than reading a few reviews.


 * Talk about incivility, how many times do I have to say I'm a man?
 * Repeatedly said I've read WFR

This does not constitute being able to edit with any kind of knowledge as to content and or specifics to the pages.


 * Haven't edited a Sword of Truth page in a good long while.

WLU has also made many attempts at, and succeeded in slandering Goodkind on Wikipedia,


 * Where have I successfully slandered TG?

attacking his character and name-calling. Is this the kind of use you want editing a page of someone they openly profess to hold the highest distain for?


 * As long as I keep my contributions to the mainspace pages NPOV and can back them up with references, doesn't really matter what I think, just what I post.
 * I am not maintaining a 3000 post beard in order to hide a larger agenda of smearing TG.

other editors
Regarding Mystar's interactions with other editors (discussed here), currently it seems to be less of a problem, though it has in the past (links are for subsequent diffs, not necessarily comments):

Requests_for_arbitration/WLU-Mystar/Workshop - diffs in second point

Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/WLU-Mystar/Evidence

as well as this comment.

Again, currently it is less of a problem, particularly since the Terry Goodkind page has settled down.

Irrespective, I'm satisfied with the potential outcome of arbitration.