User talk:WOSlinker/Archive 5

Nomination for deletion of Template:User talk orange box
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Discussion on wikify
I think, we need your help in adding multiple parameters. Check Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wikify. Could you propose a sandbox version with multiple parameters? Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:29, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Amanda Penix article photograph placeholder
WOSlinker, I notice that you have removed the placeholder image for Amanda Penix on two separate occasions without providing any explanation. Can you please reply on my page and explain why this placeholder should not be there? Thank you very much for your attention to these matters.--Jax 0677 (talk) 00:31, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Question about WPbanner/hooks/todo
I am trying to get Template:WikiProject United States/sandbox to show the to do list for a WikiProject. With so many projects there though its kinda complicated and I can't seem to figure out how to make it work. Do you know of a way to set that up? If you could show me I would be happy to do the work. I also tried to do it as a subpage of the template at Template:WikiProject United States/Todo. Thanks in advance.

I was also wondering if there is a limire to the number of category switches a task force can have in the template. Im up to ten now and I have a feeling there will be more at some point in the future. Thanks in advance for the help. --Kumioko (talk) 01:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The todo template is currently designed to only show one todo list and is normally added to the HOOK_BOTTOM param. There may be a way to combine multiple todo lists into a single list though. If you could supply a list of all the todo pages then I'll see what I can to. If you get to 10 on the WPBannerMeta/hooks/cats template, the easy thing to do is just call it again for the additional params. For example.

|TF_1_HOOK          = -- WOSlinker (talk) 08:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply, So its currently limited to 10 categories? That's makes sense. I was wondering if the /todo was limited to just one based on what the code looked like. If you take a look at Template:WikiProject United States/sandbox we are doing something similar to the above but as a cat= parameter which captures the article todo lists but not the to do lists of the projects. Just wondering but is that the main benefit of using the /todo, /image and other subpage switches, so that it doesn't eat up all 10 categories? I just ask cause it seems like using a simple cat x= is a lot easier than using the HOOK = /todo logic. I'm not sure if the coding we used in the WikiProject United States template is the best or most efficient but it seems to work. I would be interested to hear any recommendations on how we could improve it. I will get you a list of those todo lists after a bit. I'm finishing up a college paper and its due today. Generally speaking I think all of the supported projects have one and if they don't currently they will. Thanks again for the help. --Kumioko (talk) 20:35, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The two hooks have different purposes. hook/cat is for adding additional categories and hook/todo is for actually showing a todo list. Once you've got a list of the project todo pages, I can add something into the sandbox to demo it. -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:39, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Please let me know if you need anything else. --Kumioko (talk) 22:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added a todo in the sandbox but it also needs a todo for the whole project adding as well, otherwise it shows a blank todo section if no taskforces are selected.

There's also an alternative version where each todo list is separate in sandbox2:
 * Wow that is awesome thanks. I think I would prefer the version that separates each one into its own todo by project. I will create a todo for WPUS. Thats no problem, --Kumioko (talk) 13:26, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow that is awesome thanks. I think I would prefer the version that separates each one into its own todo by project. I will create a todo for WPUS. Thats no problem, --Kumioko (talk) 13:26, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Help with jct
In the history of Michigan's highways, we've had 4 diamond marker designs: 1919, 1926, 1948, and the present one. I'm in the process of splitting up the old "M-old" type code in jct, but I need your help with the banner plates. I need the M 1926-Bus, M 1948-Bus, M 1926-Byp, etc types set up to add the banner plates. The subtypes Alt, Bus, Byp, Conn, Spur, Truck for both should be added to whatever subtemplates necessary. Thanks, in advance.  Imzadi 1979  →   23:18, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In Infobox road/banner, you have added M 1928-Bus, should that be M 1926-Bus?
 * I have made an edit to Jct/banner and also Jct/plate/1. Let me know if that works ok and I'll also sort out Jct/plate/2, 3 & 4. -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:51, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it looks fine. I assume the other plate tempaltes are why the plate doesn't appear on the second BUS M-76 junction on M-76_(Michigan_highway)?  Imzadi 1979  →   00:50, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've done those now as well. -- WOSlinker (talk) 07:49, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Infobox musical artist
Please, revert your latest revision as of 21:53, 13 September 2011 of Infobox musical artist (or find a solution). The frameless thingY does not function when the landscape parameter is not set (it's blank). For example, go to Fermin Muguruza, edit the page, remove the "yes" parameter in the landscape field (which I've just set to temporarily solve the problem), and see what happens. Thank you. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 19:43, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a bad image_size param which isn't a proper html comment. I've fixed it in the article & have added a tracking category to find any more which I will then fix. -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:51, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed. You're faster than a rocket! I'm sorry but I used the infobox from Joe Strummer (I fixed it, now) and I did not notice about the bad HTML comment. Thank you so very much! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 19:58, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed the remaining articles in Category:Bad Image Size param (which is now empty): I've also readded the images where it was necessary: (Erykah Badu, Cat Stevens, and Gary Moore).
 * 1) 8:10, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Mike_Zwerin
 * 2) 8:10, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Yano
 * 3) 8:09, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Ian_Underwood
 * 4) 8:09, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Rudy_Trouv%C3%A9
 * 5) 8:09, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Jamie_Thompson
 * 6) 8:08, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Harvie_S
 * 7) 8:07, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Cat_Stevens
 * 8) 8:07, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Bill_Stewart_%28musician%29
 * 9) 8:05, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Mark_Stein_%28musician%29
 * 10) 8:05, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Davy_Spillane
 * 11) 8:04, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Slave_Zero_%28band%29
 * 12) 8:04, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Ray_Singleton
 * 13) 8:03, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Marty_Sammon
 * 14) 8:03, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Jimmi_Seiter
 * 15) 8:02, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Sarmad_Abdul_Ghafoor
 * 16) 7:59, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Bruce_Rowland_%28drummer%29
 * 17) 7:59, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Dave_Rowberry
 * 18) 7:58, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Dom_Um_Rom%C3%A3o
 * 19) 7:57, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Rick_Roberts_%28musician%29
 * 20) 7:55, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Reckless_Kelly_%28band%29
 * 21) 7:53, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Carl_Radle
 * 22) 7:52, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Bobby_Nunn_%28musician%29
 * 23) 7:52, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Gary_Moore
 * 24) 7:50, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Moonstar_88
 * 25) 7:47, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Montgomery_Brothers
 * 26) 7:46, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Phil_May_%28singer%29
 * 27) 7:45, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Bennie_Maupin
 * 28) 7:44, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Lou_Martin
 * 29) 7:43, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Mark-Almond
 * 30) 7:42, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Buddy_MacMaster
 * 31) 7:41, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Loop_%28band%29
 * 32) 7:40, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) User:Leahtwosaints/Sandbox
 * 33) 7:39, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) John_Lawton_%28musician%29
 * 34) 7:37, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Jon_King
 * 35) 7:31, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) John_%22Speedy%22_Keene
 * 36) 7:30, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Garland_Jeffreys
 * 37) 7:28, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Chris_Jasper
 * 38) 7:27, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Tony_Hymas
 * 39) 7:27, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Armand_Hirsch
 * 40) 7:25, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) David_Hidalgo,_Jr.
 * 41) 7:24, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Mark_Hennessy
 * 42) 7:23, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Mark_Harmon_%28musician%29
 * 43) 7:21, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Tom_Hambridge
 * 44) 7:15, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Omar_Hakim
 * 45) 7:12, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Jamey_Haddad
 * 46) 7:11, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Jamey_Haddad
 * 47) 7:10, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Jamey_Haddad
 * 48) 7:08, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) David_Gans_%28musician%29
 * 49) 7:07, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Craig_Fuller
 * 50) 7:06, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Mark_Feltham_%28musician%29
 * 51) 7:06, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Jimmy_Faulkner
 * 52) 7:05, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Paul_Evans_%28musician%29
 * 53) 7:05, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Elements_%28band%29
 * 54) 7:04, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Jason_Dormon
 * 55) 7:03, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Donna_Jean_Godchaux_Band
 * 56) 7:03, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Donna_Jean_Godchaux_Band
 * 57) 7:01, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Willie_Dixon
 * 58) 7:00, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Steve_Dawson
 * 59) 7:00, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Alun_Davies_%28guitarist%29
 * 60) 6:59, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Adrienne_Davies
 * 61) 6:58, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Harold_Danko
 * 62) 6:57, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Ran_Dank
 * 63) 6:56, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Tom_Coster
 * 64) 6:55, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Nicola_Conte
 * 65) 6:53, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Gary_B.B._Coleman
 * 66) 6:53, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Matt_Cole
 * 67) 6:52, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Tommy_Cogbill
 * 68) 6:52, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Wayne_Cochran
 * 69) 6:50, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Doug_Clifford
 * 70) 6:49, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Alan Clark (keyboardist)
 * 71) 6:48, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Alison_Chesley
 * 72) 6:48, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Leon_%22Ndugu%22_Chancler
 * 73) 6:47, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Caman%C3%A9
 * 74) 6:46, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Vinny_Burns
 * 75) 6:45, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Colin_Burgess_%28musician%29
 * 76) 6:44, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Gary_Brunotte
 * 77) 6:38, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) David_Brown_%28musician%29
 * 78) 6:38, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Joe_Bridgewater
 * 79) 6:37, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Boogie_Pimps
 * 80) 6:37, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) The_Bittersweets
 * 81) 6:33, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Bill_Berg_%28musician%29
 * 82) 6:33, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Ben_Gunn_%28guitarist%29
 * 83) 6:32, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Derek_Bell_%28musician%29
 * 84) 6:32, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Skip_Battin
 * 85) 6:31, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Stiv_Bators
 * 86) 6:30, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Stiv_Bators
 * 87) 6:30, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Wilbur Bascomb
 * 88) 6:30, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Barriemore Barlow
 * 89) 6:29, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Dawayne_Bailey
 * 90) 6:29, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Erykah Badu
 * 91) 6:28, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Don_Alias
 * 92) 6:28, 15 September 2011 ( diff | hist ) Craig Adams (musician)

I think that User:Leahtwosaints (probably) was the "infector" in May 2010 (see:  Barriemore_Barlow&diff=prev&oldid=362420283  and  Dawayne_Bailey&diff=prev&oldid=428121287 )... but I have not investigated further.

Do you think it is possible to extend the search of " " to all articles in the mainspace? All the best. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help. I'll see if I can extend the search. -- WOSlinker (talk) 12:45, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I read the comment below and took a look at the source code of Dave Wakeling. There is a variant: " " (without the exclamation mark "!" in fourth [and wrong] position). Probably it would be better to query the database also for "Only for images smaller than 220px!" (or something like this). Best. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:37, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You are more than welcome!

Another case: " " –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I've updated the tracking to just search for  -- WOSlinker (talk) 15:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Werll done! Maybe you should use a regexp such as: " " OR " " to find all the occurrences.... I've started editing pages from Category:Bad Image Size param to help you (from the bottom to avoid conflicts). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

today's changes to infobox musical artist appear to have busted it
I just visited Dave Wakeling -- it's a nice picture and all, but currently a bit large.--NapoliRoma (talk) 13:55, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, I just read the above and see what the problem is. I fixed it for that page.--NapoliRoma (talk) 13:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject United States
Thanks for updating the code for us. I just noticed a small glitch that was causing Tampa Bay to show on all pages and fixed it in the sandbox. Would you mind implementing the change? --Kumioko (talk) 18:33, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Done -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:36, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I don't mind telling you that it really sucks knowing how to do the edit and then having to go and ask for a change to be made just cause the community didn't trust me to be an admin. --Kumioko (talk) 18:43, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Used to be in the same boat myself about a year ago but my Rfa went though supprisingly easily. -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:46, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I tried for RFA a couple years ago and the sentiment was that I had showed questionable judgment and lacked knowledge in particular types of edits. I was so annoyed by the experience that I left for a few months and have vowed never to run again feeling (perhaps a poor opinion on my part I grant you) that the community had the opportunity. So if the tools show up one day (unlikely) then fine. Other than that I just have to rely on fine editors like yourself. --Kumioko (talk) 18:51, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Tampa Bay is still showing on the template on every page. Per todays discussion on WikiProject Floridas talk page I removed all the florida projects in the sand box including the tampa bay one. If you could implement this new coding I would appreciate it. --Kumioko (talk) 19:53, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've copied over the sandbox. -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:22, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I waited almost a month before adding the Florida projects and as soon as I get the last edit done to add them to the project I was told they weren't interested. If it takes a month to reply to a discussion that seems like a pretty inactive project to me. Oh well. Thanks again. --Kumioko (talk) 20:29, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Speaker issues at Template:Infobox Officeholder
Since you seem to be the expert on the subject, would you mind taking a look at my request over at Template talk:Infobox Officeholder? Thanks, Philosopher Let us reason together. 11:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Bit busy at the moment, but will pop over to the talk page at some point. -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:18, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Infobox military person to use bare filenmaes for images
Easy to do. Let's do it? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:16, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Question
Do you see anything wrong with this edit of mine? Debresser (talk) 17:07, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I had added alt= and link= to the image so that it did not do anything when you click on it since it image is purely for decoration. Mentioned at Alternative text for images if you want to read. -- WOSlinker (talk) 16:52, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Other good people have already referred me there. Thanks. Debresser (talk) 18:19, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Tab template restorations
Hi,

Per a comment on my talk, I've undeleted a few templates you speedied earlier. Sorry for any junk on your watchlist. My bad. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 23:16, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Photo sizing in infoboxes
Can you explain (on my talk page) why you removed a non-visual direction to limit photos in infoboxes to 220px or less, (including those in my sandbox)? I've been using this for four years now. I can not see why this is invalid. When I began editing, for example, in 2007, I was taught by en.Wikipedia directions for new users to use the Elvis Presley infobox information as the basis for editing endeavors in musicians' articles. I also feel that you should send a note prior to any changes to an editor's sandboxes and personal pages as a courtesy; it's sometimes difficult to WP:AGF otherwise. I too am a Wikignome, and here's an example of what your changes did to my copy of templates in one of my sandboxes:. What a mess. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 13:26, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I removed an invalid html comment which was:
 * (Invalid)
 * (Valid)
 * Notice the difference between a valid html comment and an invalid one. The reason for removing them was due to a change made to Infobox musical artist to use "frameless" as the defalut size for images rather that what it was doing before. Unfortunatly, the change also meant that for any infoboxes which had an invalid html comment, the image was being shown at fullsize rather than the frameless size, so I had do go around all those articles using invalid comments and fix them. I decided to remove the comments as they were not needed anymore rather than fix them up. I generally don't notify anyone before edit pages in the user space as not that may people have issues with my edits and if they do, they can always leave a not on my talk page as you did. -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:01, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Tfd notice for template:array broke dependent template
The template is in use by Stv-ballot. That template is used on WikiProject Ireland Collaboration/Poll on Ireland article names, and is protected. Placement of the Tfd notice broke display of that page very badly. I am reverting by removing the Tfd notice, placing noinclude tags around it still resulted in broken display of STV votes. You could edit the protected template Stv-ballot so that it does not require Array before placing any notices on that page, however in my opinion, simply leaving it alone will suffice; it looks like a lot of work to edit Stv-ballot, there is no real point to deletion other than for deletion's sake. Sswonk (talk) 15:49, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. I've fixed the Tfd notice on Array & done a version of Stv-ballot at Stv-ballot/sandbox which uses #switch statements. -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:22, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Since you can, why don't you replace the content of Stv-ballot with Stv-ballot/sandbox? With that, the deletion of Array will not affect Stv-ballot. I tested the sandbox via replacement of the 241 transclusions on the IECOLL poll and preview showed your sandbox edit works perfectly. 18:36, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I could but it's not best practice to update al lthe transclusions and then nominate for deletion. -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:46, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Typefaces?
It seems that you have altered my typeface categories but I'm not sure how. Can you explain what you did, what it acomplishes, and why you did it? Yours For A Better World —Dutchman Schultz (talk)


 * A category should not belong to itself but instead should belong to one of more other categories, so I changed them all to belong to Category:Typefaces rather than being self-categorized -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Got it! Now I feel really stupid ... Dutchman Schultz (talk) 19:25, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Category:Population templates
W O S linker, for the Category:Population templates. This was useful for my proposals of Template:World population 1990-2025 and Template:Population of the largest cities of the United States. Splendid, Watti Renew (talk) 16:37, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

the

skin_colour in Infobox adult biography
Could you please create a tracking category to check which pages still have skin_colour in Infobox adult biography. Remove parameter when unused. Check discussion in Template_talk:Infobox_adult_biography. One more step in merging this infobox. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:53, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added it to the existing category -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:08, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

baseclass for campaignboxes
Hi; could you add  to  and  so that the above can be finished? Thanks. Alarbus (talk) 02:17, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

and the same for. see. I believe the horizontal groups with {.} in them are working even though I didn't use groupclass because the groups are in a containing list... Alarbus (talk) 02:40, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

unless it's ...

There would seem to be no consistency amongst templates on parameter names. Anyway, could you make aliases? And suggest which should be preferred and which is in most common use? Thanks. Alarbus (talk) 02:52, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

still has a flatlist in the title and need body/base/title class support. Thanks. Alarbus (talk) 06:05, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I've added bodyclass to . has already been done. -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:21, 13 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, for that. I'll go fix some more. And thanks also for the ones you've done. Alarbus (talk) 04:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi, again. I went back to to use bodyclass and remove flatlist from the title and it didn't work. This is because the initial '*' is not being emitted by the template as the first character of a line so that MediaWiki recognises it as a list. Edokter fixed this in navbox ( but mostly ). Could you do the same in. I expect that this fix will be needed for a fair number of nav-ish templates. Thanks, Alarbus (talk) 05:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * military navigation is wrapping the title within a  tag which is not inheriting the bodyclass. I tried altering a few bits but couldn't get it to look exactly the same without the div. I'll ask Edokter about it. -- WOSlinker (talk) 07:48, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * changing:


 * title=
 * to:


 * title=


 * won't do it? The div-close could still be tight against the closing curly, although it's ugly... Maybe they should be using normal navboxes, to avoid such emergent issues. Alarbus (talk) 08:17, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Putting the {title} parameter on a newline was indeed the solution, combined with using bodyclass. Titleclass seems to be lost somewhere in the markup. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 09:24, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Those MILHIST templates seem rather overwrought. Thanks for doing the 1812 template, too, and note that I saw the {see also} and thought it dodgy; the margins are odd as it expects to be in article-text. I didn't put it there, although I may have added it elsewhere in order to propagate an extant convention. Alarbus (talk) 09:52, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

navbox musical artist /
Thanks! 67.210.196.5 (talk) 23:10, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

sublists
could you also do this? otherwise there is a bullet before the parenthesis, which is not really correct, since those entries are logically a sublist. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 21:04, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Will do. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:05, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

hlist script
Hi, I tried to use your script, but this didn't work. I wanted to add support for ripping-out "·" as well as "•", but when I cut it down to a local copy with the tweak, it didn't work. I'm missing something. I expect there are other characters used, too. Thanks, Alarbus (talk) 22:35, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I've moved it out to User:WOSlinker/hlist.js. Probably best if you make your own copy though as I do occasionally change things around, so it won't always work the same as it does now. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:47, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Another thing to watch out for it that it doesn't put the first * in the lists so you have to do that yourself. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:50, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the tweak. I'll go give it a try. Once the dust settles, I'll make a copy and restore the comment about where it's nicked from. You see that Edokter suggested this for the Signpost? Will have to see if they use it; and Andy was asking for a bot-run to do on the order of millions. Alarbus (talk) 23:00, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

The one I'm trying this out on, is Alabama, with the intent of doing the whole lot. The script is removing nowrap begin and nowrap end, and is adding the initial '*' to each bunch. I'm now seeing why; this set of templates has odd parameter names that the script is not seeing. Don't know if there are more than these... I'll fuss with it locally. Alarbus (talk) 23:10, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I've added a bit more to the code so that if it detects the capital param, it will add the listclass = hlist so should now work better with those in Category:United States state templates -- WOSlinker (talk) 23:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I saw that you were still working on it, and I waited. I'll give it another look, ant try. Thanks. Alarbus (talk) 23:38, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

2nd level lists in below...
...should be fixed. Probably a HTML Tidy issue (again). — Edokter  ( talk ) — 14:52, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

hlist in navbox
Hi, I see you change lists into hlist in navboxes (like ). It looks like a new development in navbox (or CSS or wikimakeup). Could you link to some help/develop page? I´d like to follow this development. Thank you. -DePiep (talk) 19:34, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 * There is a shortcut called WP:HLIST but it needs some better content there. Most of the discussion about it are on Template talk:Navbox & MediaWiki talk:Common.css. -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:42, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Must say I did not check the straight links you link to ;-) so a sorry for me bothering this way. Considered done. -DePiep (talk) 19:54, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Nav boxes re index of contract bridge articles
Your recent edits on the above noted are very much appreciated; those nested nav boxes make my head spin. However, as a result, the 'Subject:Card Play' has disappeared and only one of its sub-subjects shows, i.e. 'Defender play'. I looked for the cause but am unable to find it - all the code for the entries is there but the first two sub-subjects seem to be suppressed or overwritten by subsequent code - I speculate that it has to do with either a missing or misplaced set of double braces. Compare the template rendering for 'Card Play' before your major edit to see the needed tree structure. Can you please take a look and correct. Please and thank you. Newwhist (talk) 15:47, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. I've spotted my mistake and fixed it. -- WOSlinker (talk) 16:14, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated - all looks like I had intended thanks to you! Newwhist (talk) 16:17, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Problem edit
Do not know the purpose of this edit but this now gives double inter-item mid-dots rather than a single dot. Keith D (talk) 15:12, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks fine, to me. Maybe clear your browser cache? Alarbus (talk) 15:17, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The list should still be looking the same as before, with only a single dot between items. See Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-11-21/Technology_report for some details on the new horizonal list layout for navboxes. -- WOSlinker (talk) 15:18, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Clearing cache does not solve the double dots. Keith D (talk) 20:59, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I think i know the reason for what you are seeing. Can you remove the .hlist code from your User:Keith D/monobook.css as it is conflicting with the .hlist code in MediaWiki:Common.css. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:11, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That looks like the problem, I have reverted out that code. I think it was some old testing from March for Andy that I had forgotten about. Keith D (talk) 21:18, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Just as an after thought may be the advice in Navigation templates needs updating in line with the changes to horizontal lists rather than referring to •w. Keith D (talk) 17:12, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've updated it now. -- WOSlinker (talk) 17:22, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Infobox animal display bug
I've just described a display bug in Infobox animal, which you recently edited (not saying you caused it; just that you'll know how it works). please can you take a look? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, he did cause it :) Easily fixed though. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 12:28, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing. -- WOSlinker (talk) 12:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Infobox question
Greetings, there is an ongoing disussion regarding some infobox changes occurring about standardizing infobox's for federated states. I know that you do a lot of work with infoboxes and would like to hear what you think. --Kumioko (talk) 21:03, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Does indeed seem as though it's worth doing some standardisation of them as with a passing glance they look similar. Modularisation is also good if you can do it and also making them wrapper templates against Infobox settlement if that's possible. I got a few other projects on the go at the moment, so won't be able to devote much time to this though. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:11, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, I was looking over the code for the Infobox template and it seems to me that its overly complicated. I can't help but wonder if it might be possible to trim it down a bit. I might work on that in the sandbox. Let me know if you have any advice. thanks for taking the time to comment. --Kumioko (talk) 23:53, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox officeholder
Hi. Thanks. It's not working-out as the ' ' is not at the beginning of the line. More in a post there. Alarbus (talk) 11:45, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

belowclass
we don't need belowclass if bodyclass is set. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 23:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

hlist & navbox question
Does the use of the hlist parameter make the use of \ redundant?

- J Greb (talk) 19:59, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes. Within navbox, each horizontal list item has  applied. This also means that a "/" used within a list item will not break. —  Edokter  ( talk ) — 20:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification - I was looking at on where some of the slash templates were removed but others weren't. - J Greb (talk) 20:25, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I've replaced some of the uses of \ with / but for some templates that I have looked at, the individual list items were quite long, so for those I didn't convert them to lists and left them to look at later on since there ae plenty of others which take less effort to convert at the moment. All of the Foreign relations templates could be done though. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Template:Cornwall
Hi, thanks for the upgrade of Template:Cornwall. I was wondering if you would be able to add the necessary code so that we can still use the " " parameter when using the template in an article. I'm not too sure if this needs to be done in that template or in Template:county. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 10:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added the state option back into the template. -- WOSlinker (talk) 11:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! Zangar (talk) 11:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Template:County (judet) of Romania
Hi. This protected thing need class-passing (or maybe ditching) and then the things using it can be done. I saw your list of usages and have looked as some of the current numbers; lots falling: good work. Are the categories going to be expanded to use more than musical artist? And fyi, I took a local copy of the script. Alarbus (talk) 11:03, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added bodyclass & listclass. I just started with tracking musical artist to see how far it was progressing, will do more tracking later on but it's still quite easy to find templates to change, so no real need to track all navboxes just yet, although later on there will be. -- WOSlinker (talk) 11:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)


 * . Just go with it as-is for now? And no, no real difficulty finding things that need work ;) Thanks. Alarbus (talk) 11:14, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

hlist script suggestion
May I suggest: This will add the link only in template space, and will move it to the toolbox (on the left) instead of an expensive tab. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 13:22, 6 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I've done the first part to limit it to template space. I prefer it as a tab though rather than a toolbox item. -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:19, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Template:NFL navbox
I undid your revision at this template, it corrupted several NFL templates like Template:Bears1991DraftPicks and made me think it was the templates themselves. I'm not sure what caused the issue, but you might want to try again. Purge the Bears1991DraftPicks template to test to see if it works correctly after your edit. Your revision made the error on NFL navboxes read as " {{ navbox|  " or something similar to that. — Moe   ε  14:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * A missing slash in the closing {{tag|noinclude|c}} was the cause. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 14:46, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, alright, thanks for your help Edokter. Regards, — Moe   ε  14:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

TFD Award formatting
Can you please comment at Templates_for_discussion/Log/2011_December_4.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You may have similar feelings about Templates_for_discussion/Log/2011_November_30.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:22, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Squad templates
Hi, your recent edits to appear to have messed up the display of football squad templates, please can you rectify? There is a discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Thanks, GiantSnowman 14:30, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


 * It wasn't my edit that did it, but it's now fixed anyway. -- WOSlinker (talk) 16:22, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

File:WikiProject Animation (PIXAR).svg listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:WikiProject Animation (PIXAR).svg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:45, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

hlist in Navbar
As you're an admin, could I trouble you to convert Navbar to use, please? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:30, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hold on... Navbar is quite intricate with its styling, so this is not done with a single edit. Plus, is it really a list? — Edokter  ( talk ) — 20:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, since it's used quite widely, better to make the changes in Navbar/sandbox and then let people comment on the testcases first rather than just jumping in and making changes. -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:46, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Also also, navbar is pretty self-contained, and should not be dependent on site specific CSS (not to mention javascript for older browsers). — Edokter  ( talk ) — 20:49, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is a list. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:10, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is a group of links. In any case, because navbar is self-contained (it is a core template often copied to other wikis), it will not lend itself to hlist. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 23:27, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


 * This is a good idea. Once things have gone through a shake-out of any issues, and this is widely-used, hlist/plainlist/more should find their way into navbox, too, and a variety of other stuff. There really is nothing EN:W specific about any of this and other projects will want it, too; we should have a nice bundle available for them to come and fetch. I've seen doc (somewhere?) about just what people need to take... css/js/templates. Not saying immediately; we've a lot on-plate at the moment, but it should be looked into, tested, deployed, packaged, exported. hlist.js++ too. In a year I would expect this to be in thousands of MediaWiki installations. Alarbus (talk) 14:04, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur with Edokter in this.  is just a single CSS feature, while navbox is developed to be inert (independent of environment, in multiple ways). In general, now that hlist is available, it does not mean we should squeeze it into any place that looks suitable at first sight. Templates have developement, for a reason. And, by the highway, why are we not already talking about a sandbox demo? -DePiep (talk) 22:52, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've already been playing with navbar and hlist. Results can be seen here and here. And since navbox and hlist are so closely tied together now, I can't help but think that navbox/navbar/hlist 'trinity' is the best way to deploy all three across the projects. I have already orginized all the CSS in Common.css — Edokter  ( talk ) — 22:58, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Like. eh, OK for me now, I can't add more. -DePiep (talk) 23:38, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * In hindsight, I should not have done this. Navbar is used all over the place and could be placed is both inline and block elements. Now it is a div which means it can only be used inside block elements. Since itself is a block element, it refuses to live inside a span or other inline elements. Thanks Tidy!) —  Edokter  ( talk ) — 15:33, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

hlist query
Hi, I wondered if you might be able to help with a query on hlists. I noticed today that a wider margin has appeared on the left hand side of a number of infoboxes using the hlist script. Has something been changed in the underlying code which has caused this? In my view the prior smaller margin was more attractive, and conformed to the left margin in the groups. Thanks in advance for your help. Rangoon11 (talk) 16:48, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * An unexpected clash in CSS classes caused this, but should be resolved now. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 16:56, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and thanks for such a quick reply.Rangoon11 (talk) 17:06, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:Deviations
Hi. You've been mentioned several times at User talk:Rangoon11. Issue is navbox l/r group alignment and forcing subgroup colour. Alarbus (talk) 01:49, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Actualy, I've seen a few navboxes with worse alignment issues on my travels and but have usually left things as they were, see for an example. -- WOSlinker (talk) 07:32, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The colour change on the subgroup on Template:Medical Schools (United Kingdom) seems a bit pointless though (to me) as it doesn't look that different to the standard colour. -- WOSlinker (talk) 07:36, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I do try to remove any padding styles though. -- WOSlinker (talk) 07:54, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * To be clear then, neither left align nor the slightly different shade of blue in the sub group boxes are against policy per se? Can I ask why it is that right align for groups and sub groups is preferred/defaulted rather than left? It strikes me that not only does left align look neater, it is also more consistent as the actual navbox contents are (almost always) left aligned. Rangoon11 (talk) 21:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I personally don't have any objections to different alignments. Some people aren't that keen though, especially if you see a page with multiple navboxes on it and some have things aligned one way and some aligned the other way. It can look more consistent if they are all aligned the same way. -- WOSlinker (talk) 23:13, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * No, WP:Deviations is not policy; it's a guideline. It's part of the Manual of Style. The colour you're intent on sticking in these templates is a shade of gray, not blue, and the usual colour is a shade of lavender, not blue (I do know that on some systems the default renders as blue; systems vary). The result is a colour clash either way. I've no idea where the norm of right-aligned for groups was decided. That's irrelevant, to any specific navbox. If you want it different, you should propose that on Template talk:Navbox. Didn't I already say this on your talk? I expect that it's a graphic design decision made with the intent of keeping the group labels close to the list items, which can be an issue when one of the group labels is longish. Anyway, your WP:POINT is that you're introducing inconsistencies per your own preference. Not doing that would be good. Also, I find your rationale that the on  is longstanding patently false since you only  a few days ago. On Miss Marple and Hercule Poirot this is more an WP:OWNership issues, as you created those. Alarbus (talk) 06:01, 22 December 2011 (UTC)


 * There are large numbers of templates which display a far greater level of divergence from the completely lavender format (e.g. many university and sports-related templates are in wholly different and bespoke colours) and there is a considerable weight of accumulated consensus for this. The very subtle change of colour shade between the first group and sub group boxes which is in contention here is also found in many templates. It is not something which I invented, but which I saw elsewhere.
 * As you say yourself, WP:Deviations is not policy, but a guideline. And it is very much a subjective point as to whether it applies here in any case.
 * Regarding left/right alignment, again this is not something which I invented but which I saw used on numerous other templates. As with the lavender shade change for sub groups it is very much a subjective point as to whether WP:Deviations applies here.
 * I am generally in favour of consistency but do feel that an attempt to impose 100% consistency is both impossible (and there are in any case all sort of other variations, such as some templates having images, some being collapsible etc) and actually not ideal, as it prevents any experimentation, development, creativity or development of best practice. Rangoon11 (talk) 15:47, 22 December 2011 (UTC)


 * They are unequivocally deviations; you're using inline styles:
 * In general, styles for tables and other block-level elements should be set using CSS classes, not with inline style attributes.
 * It is simply your preference to not follow the MOS, as are all the other willfully different things you note. In all of this, you've ignored my referring you to:
 * Template:Navbox/testcases
 * *That's* innovation (that you're impeding). You are arguing here with people who are setting best practice, while admitting on your talk that you far from an expert. You win; your templates lose. Alarbus (talk) 16:01, 22 December 2011 (UTC)


 * There are large numbers of templates which display a far greater level of divergence from the completely lavender format... WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is ususally not a good argument. I feel these minor changes to the standard alignment and coloring are detrimental to the general look and feel of Wikipedia. They add no distinction as other changes do, but only spark an urge to "fix" it. So it is a bad idea to revert changes that revert these minor deviations back to standards. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 16:55, 22 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I have started a discussion at Template talk:Navbox on the issue of alignment. Perhaps that is where the discussion should always have been. In order to keep things simple I have not included the colour issue at present.Rangoon11 (talk) 18:39, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

FYI Portal box
Saw you were in the talk about Portal box.. pls see Templates for discussion.Moxy (talk) 04:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

football squad2 player?
Hi there. Not sure if you can figure out what is wrong but I believe an edit to Template:football squad2 player has messed up various squad templates (example). Any ideas? Mattlore (talk) 11:22, 22 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Have a look now. football squad & football squad2 player were updated to use the hlist format for lists but I haven't noticed that football squad2 player was used by non-football navboxes as well. I've done an edit to Navbox rugby league squad to fix it. -- WOSlinker (talk) 11:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, Thanks for the speedy reply! Mattlore (talk) 11:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Hlist
WOS – just wanted to let you know about Category:American college basketball award navigational boxes as well as its subcats for your hlist updates. Thanks. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:19, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * All done. -- WOSlinker (talk) 09:38, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Here are two more applicable categories: National Basketball Association Championship templates and American Basketball Association Championship templates (both of these might be speedy renamed by the time you get to this btw). Jrcla2 (talk) 14:29, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Thola Amadlozi into my userspace ...
could you place Thola Amadlozi into my userspace please? it got deleted some time ago ... --ThurnerRupert (talk) 00:55, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ It's at User:ThurnerRupert/Thola Amadlozi. -- WOSlinker (talk) 07:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Year nav topic
When you've a minute, please can you have a look at whether Year nav topic can be made to use  ? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:07, 22 December 2011 (UTC)


 * There's a version in the Template:Year nav topic/sandbox now. The alignment is slighly different, could you post something to the talk page about it and if there are no comments in a few days, I'll make it live. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:21, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Will do. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:58, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've applied Editprotected: Template talk:Year nav topic. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:27, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's now done. I'd forgotten about it. -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:45, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * NP - that wasn't a dig! Thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:57, 28 December 2011 (UTC)