User talk:WWB Too/Archive 2

Psst
The wording on the barnstar is just generic wording, you're supposed to change it to refer to what the person did. :P Silver  seren C 19:36, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Eeep. OK, I'll fix it. Thanks! WWB Too (talk) 19:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Interest in C-SPAN project
Hello there! I saw your post on WP:RB but I wasn't totally clear on how to go about it. I did do Edward Kennedy because it seemed to be straightforward, but for instance George H. W. Bush already has another CSPAN link and I wasn't sure to remove it or what. Anyways, with just a pinch more guidance and maybe a brief explanation of your project I can blow through a bunch of these no problem. MyNameWasTaken (talk) 02:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Great question! I should have mentioned this in the offer, so I've now updated the explanatory statement accordingly: the Notes column on the project page was meant to address this, but certainly it will help to be as clear as possible. If you have any other suggestions about how to make this as easy to follow as possible, I'm all ears. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 04:24, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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Glover Park Group
I've added the logo to the infobox and also fixed the George Bush wikilink. Now, are you really sure you don't want it to be submitted for DYK? I'm totally willing, and wanting, to go nominate it right now. It's well-written, fulfills all of the DYK requirements, and I just see real reason why it shouldn't be nominated. Silver seren C 00:23, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks on both counts! As to DYK: I got a bit ahead of myself, and I'd love to but I think GPG doesn't want to be too promotional; they're just happy the page exists for anyone who looks them up. Not saying you shouldn't on my account, but I'll sideline myself if you go ahead. Relatedly, I have a few other articles in the pipeline that might be equally good, so I could help with one in the near future. Hope that's cool. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 02:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, i'll go set up the nomination. It's probably better if I do it anyways, so that people don't try to say that you're being promotional or some nonsense like that. Silver  seren C 02:15, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. What do you think of the hook? Silver  seren C 02:48, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks cool to me. And if there is any nonsense, I'm sure it won't last long. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 02:57, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed the title in the hook. Silver  seren C 03:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for The Glover Park Group
The DYK project (nominate) 16:43, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Looks like you have a question waiting for you
Right here. Silver  seren C 00:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Peer review PART 2!!!!!!
I've started up a new peer review here for Cracker Barrel. I apologize profusely for taking so long to do this. I've been really busy and I admit that it slipped my mind. As i've said there, I think we should wait to see what kind of responses we get first before making any sort of userspace draft again. If it's simple stuff, then I can handle it. If it's a bit more detailed work, then we can split it off so you can assist with it. I hope you don't mind this idea. Silver seren C 06:00, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, that's very cool, and your plan sounds good to me.. I'll keep a watch on it this weekend and ahead, and I'll offer any insight I can. Meanwhile, I just happened to run across your trouble with MSK this past week. I didn't read it all, but it looks like you made it through OK. Looked like no fun at all, and gave me flashbacks to my own drama last month. All I can say is, keep up the good work.


 * Anyway, I've been busy off-site a lot recently, but plan to be more active again next week. As an aside, I'm a little perplexed by Hobbes' response to the Brian Lamb article and then non-response for several days. If still nothing from him by the weekend, I suppose I'll ping him again, and maybe someone else I know who's worked on C-SPAN articles. Thoughts? WWB Too (talk) 19:22, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I left a talkback message on his page yesterday. So I dunno what he's up to. I would say you should just try to get other people to come and comment. If Hobbes never replies then...*shrugs* We let him know there was a reply already, there's not much more we can do than that. Silver  seren C 19:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Reply
Yeah, I think further outside input is imperative at this point. I don't know what happened to make him so hostile, but it's quite clear we're not going to have any sort of meaningful discussion. Silver seren C 07:15, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna add some references to the Library of American Broadcasting article so I can remove the tags. Silver  seren C 17:23, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, very cool. I've never been a fan of tagging an article and moving on, and glad you took it up. WWB Too (talk) 17:51, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

You have been registered as a 'paid editor' to be monitored.
Herostratus has you on a special little list. &rarr;  Stani Stani  02:48, 29 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh yes, I'm well aware of his interest in me. In my Talk archives, you can find a hysterical rant from him about some of my recent work (following a lengthy and unpleasant discussion, my contributions were upheld, and then some). I don't like it, but I don't know what to do except keep my distance and keep contributing in a manner that reflects well on me. I see that you've objected to his efforts some in the past and, while I don't know your overall views on COI or paid advocacy, you might be interested in a more constructive effort regarding the same issues: WikiProject Cooperation. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 03:49, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

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Jesse Thomas DYK nomination
I nominated Jesse Thomas for DYK here. Hope you don't mind. And if you have an alternative hook in mind for it, feel free to let me know. Silver seren C 21:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't mind at all! Very cool, and I'll let him know—my guess is he'd be very happy to see The Zen of Steve Jobs as the hook. Greetings from SXSW, by the way! I realize I am in your state at the moment, if not very close by. I've also just noticed the controversy about the CREWE deletion. I'll steer clear as I am wont to do, but certainly I'm keeping an eye on it. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 21:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't want to outright use the name of the graphic novel, because that could be seen as promotion, so I used this compromise instead. And, yeah, you're only 2 hours away from me, that's kinda weird. Also, i've made a userified version of the article, since i'm pretty sure it's going to be deleted, but i'm also pretty sure that there will be more news coverage in the future. So we can just work on it for now and put it back up once it gets some more substantial coverage, hopefully in some more mainstream news sources. Silver  seren C 22:52, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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C-SPAN hat
I'm out on a trip, but I'll get to you about the hat once I'm home later this week. Thanks so much for the barnstar though! It's quite appreciated.--Yaksar (let's chat) 22:06, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Academy List Article
Hi WWB. Got your message on my talk page. I need a few days to consider and research the idea. I know there are other List articles but I'm not certain it would be appropriate for this situation. So I will get back to you with my thoughts as soon as I can. Best.Coaster92 (talk) 22:30, 29 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. For what it's worth, I've been working on a draft offline, based on a limited number of (notable) recipients. I'll likely finish soon; perhaps you'd like to see a userspace draft before making a call? Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 23:23, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi again, WWB. I looked over relevant policies I found. From what I can tell, and I am not an expert, a list could be appropriate in this case. Here are some policy sections that seem to apply here:


 * WP:Manual of Style/Stand-alone lists

Being articles, stand-alone lists are subject to Wikipedia's content policies, such as verifiability, no original research, neutral point of view, and what Wikipedia is not, as well as notability guidelines. Selection criteria See also: Notability for lists of people


 * Selection criteria should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources. In cases where the membership criteria are subjective or likely to be disputed (for example, lists of unusual things or terrorist incidents), membership criteria should be based on reliable sources.

Lists of people A person may be included in a list of people if all the following requirements are met: ▪	The person meets the Wikipedia notability requirement. An exception to this requirement may be made if the person is famous for a specific event, the notability requirement need not be met. If a person in a list does not have an article in Wikipedia about them, a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to establish their membership in the list's group and to establish their notability on either BLP1E or BIO1E. ▪	The person's membership in the list's group is established by reliable sources.


 * WP:Notability (people) Lists of people

See also: Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Lists of people Many articles contain (or stand alone as) lists of people. Inclusion within stand-alone lists should be determined by the notability criteria above. Inclusion in lists contained within articles should be determined by WP:Source list, in that the entries must have the same importance to the subject as would be required for the entry to be included in the text of the article according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines (including WP:Trivia sections). Furthermore, every entry in any such list requires a reliable source attesting to the fact that the named person is a member of the listed group.


 * (Not sure which policy this is from) Subjects notable only for one event

People can and do receive awards and/or honors throughout their lives. In general (though there are a few exceptions to this), recipients of an award should be grouped in a list rather than a category.


 * WP:Manual of Style/Lists Listed items

Lists, whether they are embedded lists or stand-alone lists, are encyclopedic content as are paragraphs and articles, and they are equally subject to Wikipedia's content policies such as Verifiability, No original research, Neutral point of view, and others.Coaster92 (talk) 04:08, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi there, Coaster. Thanks very much for doing that research. It covered some of the same ground as I had read, and I agree about the applicable policies. In my draft versions, I've included the list of awardees presented by the Academy on their website, and arranged them according to field, as the Academy itself does somewhat informally. I've tried this in two ways, as follows:


 * List of Golden Plate awardees - chronological by category
 * List of Golden Plate awardees - alphabetical by category


 * Regarding notability and verifiability, the Golden Plate award has been covered in-depth by The Washington Post and by 60 Minutes (as cited in my drafts) as well as other sources I didn't include, mostly writing about individual winners. And thanks to the early report I found in the former Milwaukee Sentinel, that's newspaper coverage spanning 50 years. The full list itself is verifiable to the Academy's website, similar to how the Nobels and Oscars are typically verified by the awarding body's website. This also seems to follow the Citing sources section of WP:STANDALONE. Meanwhile, all of the invidviduals listed are themselves notable, and clearly are the subject of Wikipedia entries. I'm impressed that you dug deep on issues like BLP1E, though they don't seem to be in play here.


 * As their names imply, the first is organized by category and the year they won. The second divides them further, by decade. I think either could work perfectly well, but if you have a different idea, I'd be open to trying it another way, too.


 * Anyway, let me know what you think. I'm also likely to post a message about this on a relevant board at WikiProject Cooperation, just so editors there can follow up if they're interested. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 17:15, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Are you thinking to use one or the other or both? The chronological by category looks a bit cleaner, to me.Coaster92 (talk) 04:08, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, I'm certainly just thinking of one or the other. Both would be redundant, after all. WWB Too (talk) 04:11, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

WWB, got your message. I've been off for a couple of days. I have put this message on the article talk page as well. I agree the term "sold" could have created confusion so I substituted "provided" for "sold" as suggested. Regarding the sentence about Catherine Reynolds Foundation donating $100 million, this seems to be off topic to me. It does not seem to be needed to keep the article clear and informative. Do you see my point? I will have a close look at the List article to see about posting it.Coaster92 (talk) 21:29, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi there, Coaster. No worries about the delay, and thanks for making the "provided" change. As for the Foundation donations, I follow your point; I'll think a bit more about it before posting a response on the Academy Talk page. Anyway, thanks for the help so far. Any further thoughts about the list article? WWB Too (talk) 20:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

WWB, will let you know about the list article soon. I have not forgotten. I have not seen any other comments on the article talk page about the Foundation donations sentence. If you decide not to pursue it, post a comment and I will remove the edit request tag or I guess you can.Coaster92 (talk) 03:43, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

OK, WWB. Looks like I could work on posting the List article in a day or two.Coaster92 (talk) 16:24, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi again, that's great news. I'm looking forward to it. Meanwhile, I had a chance to reflect on the $100M and I've posted a reply on the Academy Talk page with a possible alternative, with a clearer explanation of why I sought the change. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 17:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I would like to accomplish the post as easily as possible. I copied and pasted the "edit" version of the article to MS Word, to make a couple grammar-type edits before transferring to Wiki. I am not certain all the formatting is going to come through. Any suggestions about how to do this? Thanks.Coaster92 (talk) 22:22, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Coaster, I wouldn't use MS Word: as you guess, that may auto-format some characters, which would cause problems. Feel free to edit the draft in my userspace, I don't mind. Other options: paste it into the "edit" field where you'll create the article, and just hit "Preview" to make sure it looks right before you hit "Publish"; or you could use a free plain text editor such as Notepad++ for Windows and TextWrangler for Mac. Does that help? Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 22:38, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

OK, WWB, I went ahead and posted the article. Let me know if it looks OK. I made only minor changes, adding an "s" to make "sports", things like that. You know, I don't know I have a message when you post here on your talk page. I have been checking your talk page because we were discussing this project but might not always remember to. Will post a response to your comment on the AoA talk page.Coaster92 (talk) 22:24, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi there Coaster, the List of Golden Plate awardees article looks terrific. One thing that happened after you posted it, however: an editor came along and put an "orphan" tag on it. True enough, no articles presently link to it. Would you mind adding a link in the Golden Plate awardees section of the Academy article, perhaps as a hatnote? According to WP:ORPH this should be enough to remove the template. Oh, and mea culpa: I guess I figured you were watching my page, so I didn't bother adding a Talkback message. I'll do that now. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 19:39, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I haven't ever added a hatnote. I checked the policy/protocol but am not 100 percent on how to do it. Walk me through it and I will.Coaster92 (talk) 04:26, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Adding the hatnote is fairly simple: you'll need to use one of the templates from Template:Hatnote and add it below the Golden Plate awardees section heading in the Academy article. I'd recommend using . Replace the text on the right of the pipe with the name of the article you want to link to, here it would be List of Golden Plate awardees, like so:  The text that appears is:  And then you can remove the "orphan" tag per the guideline i linked above. Thanks again for your help, it's much appreciated. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 18:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Done. See my message on the Academy talk page.Coaster92 (talk) 21:11, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Jesse Thomas (graphic designer)
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On to FAC
So it looks like the Cracker Barrel peer review was closed without any further people commenting. Oh well. I guess we can just take that as something of an affirmation that we've got most of the info covered already (though FAC reviewers are still sure to surprise us, I bet on it). I'm a little busy tonight and tomorrow, but I was thinking about maybe starting the FAC Wednesday evening or sometime during Thursday, if you're up for it. Probably gonna be a bumpy ride, but i'm sure the two of us can handle it. Silver seren C 02:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * On a related note, i'm of the opinion that, so long as you're implementing things FAC reviewers point out need to be changed, it should be okay if you're involved in actively editing the article in that instance. I don't think anyone can reliably call foul on such a thing, when you're just implementing changes that the reviewers asked for. Silver  seren C 02:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I am all-in. If there is agreement ahead of time that I can edit directly, then I'm willing. That said, given the uncertainty around it, I'll definitely want that first. Let me know when you post it, and I'll start keeping a close watch. This should be fun. WWB Too (talk) 03:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

FAC is live!
Here it is. You might want to go make a statement there or something. Or not, it's up to you. :3 Silver  seren C 21:57, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * That's great, I certainly will, and I'll ping you when I've posted. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 22:07, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Articles improved
While working on one of your new articles,i decided to take a look at some previous ones also and took the opportunity to copyedit for conciseness. I don't think I've finished so you might look at some of the changes I've made and take a critical look at the other articles. One of the problems I have not yet dealt with is the rather long introductions that include what I think is too much of the detail from the article itself.  DGG ( talk ) 23:24, 7 April 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, that's cool. I saw you'd made some edits on the GPG and Jesse Thomas articles, but I haven't reviewed them closely. Any thoughts on the updated EduCap draft? WWB Too (talk) 23:38, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Golden Plate awardees for deletion
Hi WWB, FYI, this message was left on my talk page. I have asked what G11 is so I can respond. I left a message on DGG's talk pageCoaster92 (talk) 03:50, 11 April 2012 (UTC):


 * A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of Golden Plate awardees is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Golden Plate awardees until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. DGG ( talk ) 23:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Sylvia Earle cite
Added your proposed citation (with a little delay as I just returned from vacation). Polmandc (talk) 05:08, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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Quid Pro Quo
You offered help in return for my help on JESS3. As an experienced COI contributor, one thing you could do is engage on User talk:Carguy911. Carguy911 is floundering around trying to COI contribute to Lifestyle Lift but driving our poor Fluffernutter into an UtterNutter :-) . Can you coach Carguy911 into a) creating a sandbox b) citing said draft with reliable sources? Thanks! Woz2 (talk) 23:56, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * oh! the thread is here Talk:Lifestyle Lift Woz2 (talk) 00:38, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Glover Park Group

 * I see you posted a "talk" template rather than replying to my post – implying, I suppose, that I am soapboxing rather than working to improve the article. Well, you're in luck. I am just too weary of arguing with wikipedians over shoddy editing practices to add the requisite info about the Glover Park Group's controversies to the article. You should have done it, but you didn't. Nether will I. Too tired. Congratulations, but... well, it makes me question your goals. But good luck with all this.
 * I suspect you'll be brushing me back next. The standard on-wiki power move would be to cite WP:NPA (illegitimately) paired with the word "disengage". Well, you're in luck again. I'm not even going to watch this page for your reply. If you have anything constructive to say, you can reply on my talk. if not, you can archive this. Good luck. Ling.Nut3 (talk) 05:18, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

C-SPAN
Hi! I saw your post on the reward board, and I'd love to help out, but I'm somewhat confused by your request. Is this the sort of edit you're looking for?--Yaksar (let's chat) 23:54, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's exactly it! I'm sorry that it's confusing, and frankly you're not the first to say so. Can you point to what's most confusing? Any suggests on how I might explain it better? WWB Too (talk) 23:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * For me the most confusing part was honestly the CongLinks, since I'm not really sure where that should be filled out and placed. But I'll avoid that for now by just helping with non-congress-members.--Yaksar (let's chat) 01:42, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I follow you. Most of the articles for which apply already have the template in place; they're just missing the C-SPAN parameter. But I think I wasn't as clear about that as I could be. I'll think about updating to explain, and thanks for pointing it out. Let me know if you do more! WWB Too (talk) 05:38, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure thing: in addition to Donna Shalala, I've done Pat Buchanan, Ari Fleischer, Condoleezza Rice, Chuck Todd, Tommy Thompson, Madeleine Albright, Scott McClellan, Mike McCurry, Richard Boucher, and Jesse Jackson.--Yaksar (let's chat) 07:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I did Bob DoleTheanonymous3 (talk) 22:36, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I did Douglas MacArthur--Breawycker (talk to me!) 23:21, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I just added the template 9 more articles.--Breawycker (talk to me!) 00:35, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Ongoing FAC
I replied on my talk page. Silver seren C 22:36, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied again. Silver  seren C 19:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Pro bono help wanted
Hi WWB Too. I'm trying to get John N. Shive onto the home page as featured article on the centenary (Feb 13, 2013) of Shive birth. I started it and got it on DYK and it's being reviewed as a GAN this week. Jump in if you can help! Main space is fine with me, or talk page if you prefer brightline contribs. Woz2 (talk) 11:51, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Great! I created a sandbox User:Woz2/John_N._Shive/Workspace for ideas . User:Eclipsed also offered help.

We did it!
Well, it still has to be bot closed and everything, but Cracker Barrel was still promoted! :D Silver  seren C 19:34, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * That is incredible, thanks for letting me know! I'll be my first FA, and I'm grateful that you decided to make a project of it. Thanks for spearheading this effort—and not just putting for pushing for GA and FA, but also stepping in when this article was in crisis. It's been a pleasure to work with you on it—may this not be our last FA!


 * By the way, you might be interested in a fun project from last week, undertaken from my volunteer account: a friend pointed out that the Twitter account @Horse_ebooks had no Wikipedia article... so I researched and wrote Horse ebooks, and it appeared on DYK yesterday. WWB Too (talk) 20:30, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That is definitely an amusing article and not something you'd expect to have the coverage to have an article. Silver  seren C 20:37, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was skeptical it would have the sources to pass the GNG. A pleasant surprise! WWB Too (talk) 20:40, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw that DYK, pretty funny. I recall reading about that somewhere a while back. Congrats on the FA, hope you do this with more articles too. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:22, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mindjet
Carabinieri (talk) 08:03, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Golden Plate List
Hi there, WWB Too. What do the policies say about list length? It would help if you have a section/policy I could start with. That does seem like a long list, but if organized well, it might not look too long I suppose.Coaster92 (talk) 23:03, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed, that's a good question: in my initial investigations, I haven't found anything regarding length one way or the other. Neither is this the complete list, but from my discussions with the Academy, this is the preferred version of their selected list. I'd be happy to look into it further. Also: if determined that the length is OK, I'd obviously be happy to prepare it, so it would be pretty simple for you (or someone else) to make the changeover. Should I read closer and then get back to you? WWB Too (talk) 23:13, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi again. It looks like I am not going to be able to work on this time wise. Also, I think it would better serve you and your client to engage another independent editor. Otherwise it could start to appear that I have a special interest in the project. Good luck.Coaster92 (talk) 04:20, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Global Automakers
A response to bobrayner here would be good. Silver seren C 23:25, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Charles Mayo and the Academy of Achivement
Fixed per your comments on my talk page. Thanks. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:14, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 18:09, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

List of Golden Plate awardees
I've responded here with a question. Silver seren C 22:00, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

COI+ certification proposal
I've thought of an idea that might break our current logjam with paid editing. I'd love your sincere feedback and opinion.


 * WP:COI certification

Feel free to circulate this to anyone you think should know about it, but please recognize that it hasn't agreed upon by either PR organizations or WikiProjects or the wider community. It's also just a draft, so any/many changes can still be made. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi EdwardsBot (talk) 15:02, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

COI+ certification proposal
I've thought of an idea that might break our current logjam with paid editing. I'd love your sincere feedback and opinion.


 * WP:COI certification

Feel free to circulate this to anyone you think should know about it, but please recognize that it hasn't been agreed upon by either PR organizations or WikiProjects or the wider community. It's also just a draft, so any/many changes can still be made. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi 15:16, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Looking for an editor
Hey WWBToo. I met a lawyer at Wikimania who said he was involved in reviewing your C-SPAN article. He said he did some work on it where he felt there were errors, and was asked to make the edits on your behalf, but declined to do so. We never swapped usernames and I was wondering if you knew who it was. I was poking around the C-SPAN article, but didn't find anyone that seemed likely. User:King4057 17:08, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi David, I think you must mean Racepacket. That sounds like my interaction with him on that Talk page, and I know he's based in Northern Virginia. On the other hand, he was also indefinitely blocked in February, so I'm not sure if we'll see him again. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 13:27, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Huh - that's strange. He seemed like a very level-headed guy. User:King4057 16:48, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Why is OrangeMike so rude?
I don't like OrangeMike. He makes me grovel. And cry. And he ignores my repeated requests, and then declines my requests to remove the evidence of my public grovelling. It is humiliating. That is why I don't like him.

I wish Wikipedia had more nice friendly people. There ARE nice friendly good people on Wikipedia e.g. all the chemical engineers are bright and wonderful. But none of the good or helpful people seem to get barn stars and all the lame stupid articles are praised and some of those type of contributors have retinues of sycophants. I don't understand.

I'm sorry, you don't know me. I was trying to clean up the grossly inadequate and short Vanguard Group article, noticed a sensible edit by SusanLensch or someone like that on the talk page, then looked at her talk page, and saw that she had tons of thanks and barn stars and groveling sycophantish stuff. I thought, okay, maybe she's awesome, then I noticed that someone you knew of, TagShimon or Tag Simon, I forgot his exact user name (I'm sorry), he pointed out how she edited something and broke all sorts of links because of shoddy sloppy disambiguation and page moves, and then just told him to clean up the mess she left, which seemed very rude. He was not happy, and he got chastised for that, and that was how I ended up on his talk page. That was where I saw your comment, thanking him for his help with an article in Dec 2011, about which the odious OrangeMike took an adversarial attitude. So here I am! Don't be irritated with me. I'm sorry. I should go now. --FeralOink (talk) 09:47, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi FeralOink, sorry about the delay. I'm afraid I don't have much of an answer for you. I've had my disagreements with some editors, including him, though I find it takes a steady resolve and a willingness to work through process and widen the discussion at times. If I can give advice on a specific point, feel free to ask here. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 13:10, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem at all! That was not a delayed response, not by any means. Thank you for your kindness, by acknowledging my existence with the thoughtfulness of a pleasant reply. I do appreciate that, and will heed your general purpose advice. Best wishes, --FeralOink (talk) 22:13, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Jimbo's talk
Just so you know, I have posted a discussion of the PSB improvements to User Talk:Jimbo Wales, mentioning you by name. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:37, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I have seen it, and that's totally fine. I will probably sit out the discussion, preferring to let my work speak for itself, unless called upon to answer a specific question. And it seems that Herostratus is satisfied with the content, even if he doesn't like me very much. I've also replied at PSB Talk to answer your question about my relationship to PSB; short version: they reached out to me about consulting for them. Last but not least, thanks for helping to make this a successful project. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 13:15, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

SBS
Looks like editor ‎Sargdub made your requested change. Thanks again for doing the background work. Always good to see our articles improved, especially when it involves the removal of pesky, unsightly tags! FeydHuxtable (talk) 19:22, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Eric C. Anderson
Hi WWB Too. Sorry for my deliquence, I got busy doing other things. I am glad that Qwyrxian was able to help you, though. I am open to helping you in the future, so thanks for keeping me in mind. Best wishes! --Drm310 (talk) 04:46, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Short (finance)
Hello, I am the author of the last two edits, both reverted, on the Short (finance) page. I am also the author of most of the French version. Actually, I had written both versions at the same time. I am sad to see that, even though the talk pages of the article are full of people lamenting about how this article is ill-structured and ill-balanced, any attempt, not only by myself, to improve it inexorably fails. I read your comment on Specifico’s talk page : “long, thinly sourced, arguably unencyclopedic discussion of the pros and cons of restricting short-selling. Perhaps unsurprisingly, it is also heavily weighted toward the EU and France in particular”. Well, thanks for the compliment! Since you look keen to know who was the editor (more than whether his edit was an improvement or not), here is who I am :. Regards. Bmathis (talk) 18:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi there, Bruno. The revert was certainly not meant personally, however, there were a few causes for concern. First, edits from an IP address are often viewed skeptically, fairly or not. More importantly, such a dramatic change to the article's text, particularly one that removes established material and replaces it with all-new sections, without any discussion on the Talk page, is bound to be met with scrutiny. Based on what I could see, and others as well, it was not clearly an improvement, and had some immediately obvious problems. As SPECIFICO noted in his edit summary, better to break it down into reviewable chunks and raise these ideas on the Talk page. I've been working through issues with the article on the Talk page as well, and it works, however slowly. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 18:48, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

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Might want to
You might want to go and let Chris know personally (if i'm correct that you work with him directly IRL, as he implies) that i've left a reply to his request on the Mindjet talk page. Silver seren C 00:29, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep, I've been meaning to update my user page to acknowledge working with Rhiannon and with him. About your message, I let him know earlier today, and he'll follow up early tomorrow. Thanks for the note! WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 00:42, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

FYI
I rarely visit WP:Finance these days but feel free to ping me on my talk page if you want a second opinion about something or if you want me to look at something on the talk page of WP:Finance. --Pine✉ 00:31, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi there, Pine, thanks for your note. In fact, I am working to try and improve a few sections of the Hedge fund article (current discussion beginning here). It's been a little bit slow going—subsection by subsection at the moment—but progress is being made; the latest was just approved today, and I'll be posting another tomorrow. If you'd like to join in with any comments or corrections, that would be great. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 01:05, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Westinghouse Electric Company
Your recent edit summary (Once more, with feeling) caught my attention. You are only the third person (including me) whom I have seen using that expression in this context. The third was a fellow lawyer I worked with on a deal back in the early 90s...--ukexpat (talk) 18:58, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ha, that's great. I was just annoyed with myself for not getting the reply just right after two tries (serves me right for skipping "Show preview"). These days it's often considered a reference to the Buffy television series, and though I know it goes back much further, the relevant disambiguation page doesn't answer it for me satisfactorily. Any ideas WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 20:48, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I always thought it was from an orchestra conductor or theatre director saying to the orchestra or cast, "OK let's do that one more time, with feeling". The guy I first heard using it was expressing frustration at having to repeat himself for the umpteenth time when negotiating an issue in a contract. Good times.--ukexpat (talk) 21:01, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh, I'm sure that's exactly it. Only question is, when did it cross over into popular culture? Maybe it was the 1960 Yul Brynner film, but I'd wonder if something like Looney Tunes isn't more likely. Doesn't it just sound like something Bugs Bunny-as-conductor would say? WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 21:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Billy Eckstein did a record with that title in 1960. The 1960 film was based on Once More, with Feeling!, the 1958 play by Harry Kurnitz, set in the world of concert music. The play was highly successful on Broadway, and I'm betting that it was what brought the phrase into common speech. I'd guess it's a translation of musical instructions such as "encore, con anima" or "con spirito". -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:57, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Panel discussion in NYC? - I'd be game for it
If somebody could spring for cheap air fare or even bus fare (Wisconsin civil servant [facing further budget cuts as of Jan. 1] here), I could possibly come in for this: I've got friends I could crash with. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:43, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey there, Mike. You were definitely one of the first people to come to mind, but I did recall that you were based in Wisconsin, and unfortunately there's no stipend for travel (I'll be paying my own way up from Washington). That's why I reached out to Herostratus first—taking a chance that maybe he's close enough to the NYC area. Keep an eye on it; if it ends up he can't do it, I will again be looking for someone to represent that viewpoint in the discussion. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 15:55, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Hedge Fund
Hi WWBToo, I appreciate your efforts to improve the Hedge Fund article but was wondering if you could let me know what you are trying to accomplish there in the big picture. I want to support your efforts and it would help me to know in the bigger scheme of things you are trying to do, what's your overall goal etc. Thanks for your cooperation and patience. Happy holidays, -- — Keithbob • Talk  • 19:38, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, I just replied over there, as you may have seen. I follow some of your points, although even where I agree, I still think my updates will improve the article—though it of course will not make the article greatly shorter, or make it more accessible to, say, high schoolers. My primary goal, as described there, is to update and correct small issues, add citations to verify the current section, and overall make it a more reliable and solid overview of the topic. I'm open to joining a discussion about the long-term future of the article, however in the short term, I'd like to work through the material I've prepared and make improvements as we can. I'll be offline through most of the holiday weekend, but I'll keep an eye on my watchlist and respond as I can. Thanks, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 20:09, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, those are good goals and I'd like to help but I don't have the time to become the point person for an article/project this big. I guess we'll take it one step at a time and just see.-- — Keithbob • Talk  • 14:57, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Reply
--Pine✉ 23:56, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Cracker Barrel TFA
Hi WWB Too, I'm leaving you a note to inform you I've put the Cracker Barrel article up for nomination to appear as a Today's Featured Article on the main page in the near future. If you have any concerns, feel free to address them on my talk page, or on the request page. Thanks--Chimino (talk) 06:50, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi there Chimino, very interesting to see this up for TFA. I think you may be aware that my contributions to the article (research, writing, community discussion) were undertaken as a paid consultant. My contract with Cracker Barrel has long since expired, so my response here is not as a company representative, but merely reflecting my own vested interest in the article and subject. All that understood, two concerns:


 * The article was subject to extreme disagreement (now archived) about the company's discriminatory practices in the 1990s and subsequent legal and public relations difficulties. It reached FA only after a very tenuous process involving careful negotiation and significant compromise, so I fear that the TFA process might not reveal this FA as less stable than it may appear now.
 * Related: the teaser in the current nomination is taken from the first and third paragraphs of the article's introduction. I am concerned that omitting the second paragraph not only makes the teaser unduly focused on past controversies, it also overlooks the "old-fashioned general store" atmosphere that made Cracker Barrel notable in the first place. I would personally like to see the teaser be the first and second paragraphs, but perhaps another compromise is for the teaser to borrow in equal part from the second and third paragraphs.


 * In any case, assuming the issues above can be addressed, I would be interested in seeing the article make TFA. Let me know what you think, and I'd be willing to adapt this as a comment at TFAR if you like. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 20:23, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You make good points WWB Too; I decided to use the first & third paragraphs because I wanted to show the article's depth, while the first two paragraphs would make it read like a promo piece for the company. I'll see if I can merge elements of the final two paragraphs (keeping within the limits of length) to give a more balanced blurb.--Chimino (talk) 03:52, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Here's a revised version: --Chimino (talk) 05:32, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Main page appearance: Cracker Barrel
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Cracker Barrel Old Country Store, Inc. is an American chain of combined restaurant and gift stores with a Southern country theme. The company was founded by Dan Evins in 1969; its first store was in Lebanon, Tennessee, which remains the company headquarters. As of 2012, the chain operates 620 stores in 42 states. Its menu is based on traditional Southern cuisine, with appearance and decor designed to resemble an old-fashioned general store. Cracker Barrel is known for its partnerships with country music artists, and has received attention for its charitable activities, such as its assistance of victims of Hurricane Katrina and injured war veterans. During the 1990s, the company was the subject of controversy for its official stance against gay and lesbian employees and for discriminatory practices against African American and female employees. Following an agreement with the US Department of Justice and the implementation of non-discrimination policies, the company has focused on improving minority representation and civic involvement. Company shareholders added sexual orientation to the company's non-discrimination policy in 2002. UcuchaBot (talk) 23:02, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
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Customizing signatures
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You can look at the code in my signature or any other user's signature. You can also look at http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css3_pr_text-shadow.asp

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Replies
I commented at User talk:Pine and Talk:Hedge fund. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 03:46, 13 February 2013 (UTC)