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List of Presidents of the United States by time in office
Seems like you have a brilliant idea about why "Lincoln's Missing Bodyguard" has anything to do with James Garfield. Please share with the audience why. Stupidity is insisting that something wrong is right, and doing it more than once. 84.208.206.123 (talk) 13:28, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Discuss it on the article's talk page. WaggersTALK  08:41, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * I ask you once again: What part of a book about Lincoln, two books actually, has anything to do with James Garfield?

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 * I'm glad you're being more civil this time. I saw an edit that removed references without explaining why, other than a garbled rant in the edit summary; these edits were from an IP address not a registered user and had already been reverted several times, by several different editors. I don't think it was unreasonable on that evidence to revert what very much appeared to be an edit-warring IP vandal. Looking at the references in question, I think there is a good case for their removal. As I said above, I suggest you make that case on the article's talk page so that any interested editor can contribute. Wa</b><b style="color:#86D">g</b><b style="color:#75C">ge</b><b style="color:#83C">r</b><b  style="color:#728">s</b><small  style="color:#080">TALK  16:35, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand your arguments. I clearly stated that several of the references were WRONG!!! You did not bother to check, just clicked undo. In a previous attempt to correct the article I wrote:
 * "It is common knowledge that these presidents died in office. References about their deaths belongs in the article about the individual presidents. In addition: several of the links are just wrong. Especially Garfield."

The references don't serve any purposes. I have tried to change three times. I won't try a fourth. Not my fault that the Wikipedia police can't understand easy things. Just carry on with inaccurate articles. 84.208.206.123 (talk) 22:41, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

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Reverted Ravenhill edit
Hi, Waggers! I cut the line about Ravenhill working on a TV series as repetition because there was no sourcing for the comment and just a section or so down the page, there's a sourced listing for the actual TV series, Vicious. Rudeguerrilla (talk) 20:57, 12 December 2017 (UTC)Rudeguerrilla

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 * Hi User:BU Rob13, thanks for the heads-up. These maps were the best we had for a time but I agree there are now much more useful images available. I don't think they would particularly add any value by being moved to Commons; I could go through and speedy delete them under G7 (author requests deletion) but it's probably worthwhile giving other editors the opportunity to rescue them if they wish, so proposed deletion is probably still the best plan. This does make me realise just how long I've been working on Wikipedia and how much things have moved on in the last 12 years! <b style="color:#98F">W</b><b style="color:#97E">a</b><b style="color:#86D">g</b><b style="color:#75C">ge</b><b style="color:#83C">r</b><b  style="color:#728">s</b><small  style="color:#080">TALK  09:23, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hiding quotes by Sally Miller Gearhart
Could you please elaborate why we should censor out her controversial statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kartu (talk • contribs) 08:25, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Kartu. First up, we should definitely not censor her statements - Wikipedia is not censored. But we do have to be very careful to make sure that any controversial statements relating to a living person are properly sourced and referenced. Also we need to ensure that our articles read well, so inserting a controversial statement randomly into an article is not constructive. By all means, write a properly sourced, separate paragraph or section - but please take the time to make sure it is well researched, properly referenced, doesn't give undue weight to the controversy and the article flows well and maintains a neutral point of view. Hope that helps. <b style="color:#98F">W</b><b style="color:#97E">a</b><b style="color:#86D">g</b><b style="color:#75C">ge</b><b style="color:#83C">r</b><b  style="color:#728">s</b><small  style="color:#080">TALK  08:30, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply, Waggers. Based on it I'm still confused what the issue actually is, as you mention several: * Is it "not properly sourced" (edit history shows that that has been addressed already) * Does not suggestion to reduce population of one gender to 10% not important enough, to be included in summary? * This part is clearly not neutral POV: "Gearhart does not base this radical proposal on the idea that men are innately violent or oppressive", we don't know, what she is basing it on, "male-bonding" being particularly "dangerous", is not mutually exclusive with men being "innately violent or oppressive". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kartu (talk • contribs) 10:24, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Recommending new editors to WikiProject Hampshire
Hi Waggers,

I am continuing to send you recommendations for project Hampshire. When you have a chance, please take a look. Thank you!

Bobo.03 (talk) 04:50, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks, some of these have already been invited and others aren't a great fit for the project so now new invitations sent this time around. <b style="color:#98F">W</b><b style="color:#97E">a</b><b style="color:#86D">g</b><b style="color:#75C">ge</b><b style="color:#83C">r</b><b  style="color:#728">s</b><small  style="color:#080">TALK  12:27, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Reason for deletation
We recently noticed that a wiki about fanport has been deleted. Would like to know the reason behind deletion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanport this is the old link.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.110.219.119 (talk) 11:44, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The article was deleted under criterion A7 of the Criteria for Speedy Deletion - the article did not indicate why its subject is important or significant. <b style="color:#98F">W</b><b style="color:#97E">a</b><b style="color:#86D">g</b><b style="color:#75C">ge</b><b  style="color:#83C">r</b><b  style="color:#728">s</b><small  style="color:#080">TALK  09:51, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

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