User talk:Wahbobi

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Hello. I have posted a welcome message which includes links to how Wikipedia works. In relation to your edit which was reverted for now, please see WP:CITE and WP:RS. If there's a newspaper you would like to cite, cite news can be used for instance, for a book, cite book, etc. The material must be a summary of the cited source to avoid original research and synthesis. Also, if material that you think is important is contested, the article's talk page (in this case Talk:Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses) can be used to discuss it (related: WP:BRD, WP:CONSENSUS). I hope this helps, — Paleo Neonate  – 04:02, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The only source that seems to exist for this quote is from Watch Tower Society publications, purportedly re-quoting an unspecified newspaper called World. As a primary source, this is not suitable. In any case, assuming there is actually an original source, the over-dramatised quote is not helpful. Charles Taze Russell, leader of the Bible Students, had predicted that the 'time of trouble' would end in October of 1914 (having also claimed that the same period had started in 1874), with the wholesale destruction of all earthly governments to usher in 'the new world'. The August issue of the newspaper, evidently a dramatised tabloid piece, ignored both what was predicted to happen and when it was supposed to happen. It is indeed the case, though, that the Watch Tower Society ever since has capitalised on the fact that something happened in the 'right' year.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 07:42, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for looking at that, Jeffro77 — Paleo  Neonate  – 17:33, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I have identified the article from The World Magazine (http://wtarchiv.bplaced.net/en/other/1914_End_of_all_Kingdoms.pdf on an archive of material related to JWs), an accompaniment to New York World newspaper. The article does include the cherry-picked quote in question, also adding that Russell's methods were "not liable to capture the attention of men who are used to ordinary methods of reasoning". It further quotes some of Russell's previous claims that 1914 would see "the final end of the kingdoms of this world" (which obviously didn't happen). The article also states that Russell's claims were couched in generalities, and that where Russell had been specific, he had said that the "revolution" would be brought by an army that did not recognise the authority of any government, which bears no resemblance to World War I. Hence, the import of the article is that something happened in 1914, but it wasn't what Russell claimed. The editor's assertion that JWs 'still' claim that 1914 was the beginning of the time of the end also misrepresents Russell's position that 1914 would be the end of the 'time of trouble'.


 * Archive searches of The World newspaper show that it was quite liberal with articles about 'prophecies' and commentary on religious claims. However, I was unable to locate the quote in question in those archives, likely because the quote was in the magazine accompaniment rather than the newspaper itself, so it would also be misleading to characterise the quote as appearing in a newspaper. The article makes no reference at all to the 'gentile times', instead referring to Russell's teachings about a period from 1874 to 1914, and cannot be presented as a source for 'heralding the end of the gentile times'.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 01:50, 15 September 2018 (UTC)