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Asian basil
Dear! You can see Asian basil at. I think this name is more neutral. because not only Thailand has this basil. --Langtucodoc (talk) 03:37, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Categories and "List of " pages
Hi, in case you aren't following the discussion of categories at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants, I've just dropped your name into the discussion (sorry!). I think you might be one of the few people who both understands plants and has some real insight into category pages and such. If you have time, I'd welcome your input (but please be warned that tempers have flared, and an editor who concentrated on massive deletions of categories has retired as a result, which is very sad). Best wishes, Nadiatalent (talk) 16:23, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

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Happy New Year to you!
Hi Waitak, Wishing you the very best for the coming year.

Thank you for the kind words. Indeed it is pleasant, and I find necessary for my own determination to continue working on wikipedia, that occasionally there are those little sparks of "yes! someone who knows what they are doing and cares!", even from the little changes. Strangely enough, having been doing this for a while, I'm now finding that wikipedia has become "part of my filing system" for certain types of information. I'm rather amazed by that. Best wishes, Nadiatalent (talk) 17:53, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * It almost makes one feel as if one should contribute money towards keeping wikipedia going, but, since we're too busy to earn any ... I think of what I'm doing primarily as teaching, unpaid teaching. Having one's contribution used without attribution can be a bit disquieting, I find, e.g., at www.websters-online-dictionary.org or Biology-Online.org (I hope those dictionaries have a person vetting what they scrounge from wikipedia), or in Encyclopedia of Life which then boasts about how wonderful it is, while providing an enormous number of essentially content-free pages to clutter up everybody's web searches, or with a sort of attribution in "books" that scream "High Quality Content by WIKIPEDIA articles! High Quality Content by WIKIPEDIA articles!". But enough grumbling for one day. Nadiatalent (talk) 18:20, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Edible leaves
GIven your interest in edible leaves, have you come across the apparently unlimited uses of different leaf species in Korean food? I was looking at Bugak, and found this suggestion that Tree of heaven is used, and another about leaves of red oak. With a diet like that one could rival the most destructive caterpillars. Nadiatalent (talk) 20:22, 3 January 2012 (UTC)


 * (Trying a conversation in a single talk page to see if that works.) I've been amazed at some of the Korean uses of leaves. Perilla is the one I know best. It grows as a weed here. We harvest them, wrap rice, a bit of something savory and some nice chili sauce in them. They're amazing! I'd love to see somebody write an article on Korean leaf veggies, actually. Waitak (talk) 23:32, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Traductions
Hi Waitak,

I'm glad you're interested in translation! There is always plenty that can be done in this area. In my opinion, the most valuable French-to-English translation work to be done is the translation of featured, French-Wikipedia articles that have no English-Wikipedia counterparts. Examples include Arnt van der Dussen, Catherine de Parthenay, Chevaux légendaires dans le Jura, Cycle de vie du tigre, Ducasse d'Ath, Giovanni IV Crispo, Histoire de Corfou, Histoire de l'École supérieure de physique et de chimie industrielles de la ville de Paris, Histoire du terme Wallon, Installations de première classe du Titanic, Ligne de Montérolier - Buchy à Saint-Saëns, Mines du Laurion, Mouvement national tunisien, Ours dans la culture, Parc du Thabor, Pollicitation en droit civil français, Préhistoire de Malte, and Protagonistes de la guerre de Palestine de 1948. I was successful in translating the Carabane article from its featured, French-Wikipedia counterpart and getting it featured on the English Wikipedia. If you decide to do the same with any other featured, French-Wikipedia articles, please let me know if I can be of any assistance. I hope one of the articles listed above interests you.

Happy editing,

Neelix (talk) 20:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

List of English words containing Q not followed by U
Hi Waitak,

Thanks for the suggestion! Unfortunately, there is a plethora of proper nouns containing q not followed by u. I appreciate your improvement and endorsement of the list.

Happy editing,

Neelix (talk) 16:23, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

TFL
Hi Waitak,

Congratulations on getting List of vegetable oils back up to scratch with respect to the featured list criteria! I have renominated the list to go up on the main page here. If you would be willing to monitor that discussion and address any concerns that are raised, it would be greatly appreciated. I will be attempting to do the same. I have contacted the Canola Council of Canada asking them if they would be able to help us in developing a list of vegetable fats. I would be more comfortable with having the vegetable oil list up on the main page if the fats currently included on that list were separated off onto a list of vegetable fats. Any help in that endeavour would also be greatly appreciated.

Neelix (talk) 21:32, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree with spinning off the list of fats to their own list. Frankly, I don't think it'll be very long. The main function of the effort would be to return list of vegetable oils to ideological purity. :-) I'm mulling over what to do with the blurb. It is pretty dry, and we certainly ought to be able to do something about that. I'll keep an eye on the ongoing discussion and see what I can do. Thanks for your efforts! Waitak (talk) 00:02, 31 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Waitak,


 * An oleochemist from the Canola Council of Canada got back to me and said that the term "vegetable oil" can be used to refer to substances that are solid at room temperature. I have therefore ammended the note on the list and no longer see a need to split any entries off onto their own list. Please contact me if you feel differently.


 * Neelix (talk) 04:51, 15 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's actually a relief. I'll amend the blurb to remove the modest disclaimer regarding solids being part of the list. Waitak (talk) 05:06, 15 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I have looked over the article again and I have another concern. Are all vegetable oils triglycerides or only most? I'm inclined to think that all are because the Fat article states that "chemically, fats are triglycerides." If that's the case, we need to change the first sentence in the lede of the List of vegetable oils article. Neelix (talk) 21:06, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Good spot, thank you! I've fixed it. Do we need to fixe the TFL abstract independently? Waitak (talk) 21:09, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, and I have done so. Neelix (talk) 21:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

List of culinary nuts FLC
It's true that sports and pop culture lists tend to have more reviewers, but that's because there are a number of editors active at FLC with an interest in those topics. Your list isn't the only one that's struggled to garner enough reviews, sadly. We've been slow on the review front for several months now, throughout most of FLC. I'd encourage you not to give up on bringing lists there; nothing will change regarding reviewers' interests if we keep being fed the same things. Take into account the comments by reviewers, and your next attempt should go a little faster than this one has. It also helps to do some reviewing yourself; it helps reduce your competition for reviews, and those nominators may remember people who've helped them. Giants2008 ( Talk ) 19:53, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd echo those words. Don't lose heart with the slow speed of the current FLC, the work that you're doing is making a fantastic difference to Wikipedia. Firstly because it is brilliant work, period. Secondly it has inspired me. I can't remember the last time I did serious content work, but what you've done has persuaded me to have a go at improving List of diets. —WFC— 19:54, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Moringa oleifera
While I appreciate the collaborative tone of your reverting my edits, I think it's important the article be factual rather than promotional without evidence, as it is now. There is nutraceutical news today plus Oz's nonsense that this is a wonder food that the world should immediately add to their diets. What baloney.

I'll give you 72 hours to fix it with objectivity and scientifically convincing description, or by my opinion and Wikipedia rules, it should reside on the Talk page as editable material until the community agrees it bears truth. --Zefr (talk) 20:41, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * That's fair enough. I have no more patience than you do for marketing hype. The problem in this instance is that this particular plant really is that special. Finding a way to say that while excising drivel is always a challenge on WP. Here is an example of a charity that's formed entirely to make moringa available to people facing crises in food security. Here's another. Actually, now that I look, there is a large number of projects centered around using moringa for food security. In any case, I'll work on it. I have a bit of time today and tomorrow, then will be out of comms for a couple weeks, more or less. Waitak (talk) 20:57, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I checked the USDA Nutrient Database to confirm the table information for leaves and pods, and they appear to be ok. That is the story for the sections on General nutrition and Malnutrition, the latter being mostly exaggerated without citations. There are no USDA on leaf powder -- a processed material affecting nutrient content -- so that statement is unsupportable.

This sentence, "A large number of reports on the nutritional qualities of Moringa now exist in both the scientific ..." is not truthful, as research summarized in PubMed has not focused substantially on nutritional qualities. Folk medicine (Ayurveda) discussion should be removed as it is merely hearsay. --Zefr (talk) 03:47, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I think that UN sources are a much safer bet than USDA for moringa. It only grows in places where the minimum temperature is about 40F, and is, for that reason, extremely uncommon in the US. It has received a huge amount of attention in tropical Asia. Taiwan, the Philippines and Indonesia all come to mind. I'll take a look at folk medicinal uses referenced in the literature. Obviously anything in the article has to be backed up by reliable sources. The leaf powder is being used widely in Africa as a means of preventing malnutrition. I'll look for sources that support that usage.


 * Thanks again for the attention to the article. Moringa is, on several lists, at or near the top in terms of value for fighting malnutrition. I'd hate for that to be dulled in this article by contributions from people trying to turn that value into a commercial. Waitak (talk) 14:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

In my reference to the USDA, I am only pointing out their comprehensive analyses of nutrient contents which are reported in the two tables. Scientifically, the USDA data are an unambiguous definition of true nutrient value, as there is no comparison to other foods ("contains more calcium than breast milk", obviously promotional and unvalidated) and the scientific literature I've reviewed contains no nutrient content values as reliable.

I made minor edits today. I'm not trying to subvert any work you may do, but there were obvious issues to better define and citations to request, possibly of some use to guide where attention is needed.--Zefr (talk) 16:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * No worries, thanks for the contribs. I tend to assume good faith and respond in kind, unless there's convincing evidence to the contrary. I'll continue to work on it as well. Waitak (talk) 16:12, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

The Trees for Life reference will have to go. That's just lay conjecture and exaggeration, with no scientific reference or WP:RS.--Zefr (talk) 17:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * That was a little hasty. The brochure cites its sources, which clearly fall under WP:RS, and gives the values in a table, which I'll add. Could I ask that, while we're in the middle of getting this article into shape, you give me a shot at rectifying your concerns before just deleting what I just wrote? Waitak (talk) 17:59, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm willing to collaborate but am getting the impression you feel you are the guardian of this article, which leads me to believe you may have subjective motivations. I made valid edits based on WP principles, so am putting those back in. I'll leave it to you to document the requested citations or out they go within 48 hr.--Zefr (talk) 18:32, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Be a little careful ascribing motives. My concern is that you're being overzealous in your edits, and erring in the direction of understating the value of this plant. Replacing "Leaves are the most nutritious part of the plant" with "Leaves are edible" really went too far, to give an example. So did throwing out the topic of the relative amounts of key nutrients in moringa and other well-known plants. That's worth being in the article, and is well-attested by reliable sources. The fact that you didn't notice the citations in the reference you deleted concerns me a little.


 * So, yes, I do feel like I'm standing guard in a sense, but the concern is that we not throw the baby out with the bath water. I feel like, if I just let things go the way they were heading, we'll end up with an article that says, "The moringa is an alleged plant." and that's about it. We both want a good article that conforms to all of the WP principles that we both value, so we're really on the same side here. If we can capture the strength of the points of view that we're both bringing here, the article will be better.


 * As for setting a deadline of 48 hours, I don't see where that fits WP policy. If I'm mistaken, you're welcome to show me what policy applies. I'm working on it, and will do what I can, but I don't have infinite time to spend on WP. I'll get to it when I can. Waitak (talk) 19:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

As stated before, the questionable material can move out of the Article to the Talk page; that's what I meant by setting a timeline. These unsupported statements should have been in Talk for sandbox editing in the first place. They exist in the current Article because some previous editor wanted to make promotional, subjective claims, a characteristic existing elsewhere in WP for so-called superfoods. Sticking to the established nutrient content sources like USDA and your Indian MRC reference gives objective criteria for discussing putative nutritional value.--Zefr (talk) 19:31, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm unwilling to keep editing this article with you slashing content like this. Removing references and replacing them with "citation needed" is particularly disingenuous. Saying that you'll move material that you find questionable to the talk page is one thing, but you have yet to do so. Go ahead and finish with your changes, and I'll look at it when you're done. I'm out for now. Waitak (talk) 02:22, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Nice editing job on the article! 8>) Fyi: the comparison in the small table is invalid because the nutrient contents per weight of any dried food would greatly exceed those of a whole intact food still containing its water content. Please remove that column. Thanks. I'll keep reviewing but this is now much better. --Zefr (talk) 02:53, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

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Culinary fruits
Hi Waitak, I'm not sure whether you got my message that was happy with your efforts in improving the wikipedia articles on culinary fruits. I just wanted to let you know that this has finally led me to finish up on a map for determining appropriate crops per location (map made at appropedia~, http://www.appropedia.org/File:Indiginous_fruits.png). I finished up on the oil crops and staple crops aswell. Perhaps it's useful to your NGO aswell. KVDP (talk) 08:22, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Nice work! Thanks for the feedback. Waitak (talk) 08:24, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

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Vegetable oils are triglycerides extracted from plants. Such oils have been part of human culture for millennia. Edible vegetable oils are used in food, both in cooking and as supplements. Many oils, edible and otherwise, are burned as fuel, such as in oil lamps and as a substitute for petroleum-based fuels. Some of the many other uses include wood finishing, oil painting, and skin care. There are three methods for extracting vegetable oils. The relevant part of the plant may be placed under pressure to extract the oil, giving an expressed oil. Oils may also be extracted from plants by dissolving parts of plants in water or another solvent. The solution may be separated from the plant material and concentrated, giving an extracted or leached oil. The mixture may also be separated by distilling the oil away from the plant material. Oils extracted by this latter method are called essential oils. Essential oils often have different properties and uses than pressed or leached vegetable oils. Macerated oils are made by infusing parts of plants in a base oil, a process called liquid-liquid extraction.
 * link=List of vegetable oils


 * Thanks for the list — lots of things I didn't know about oils.— A bit iffy (talk) 09:48, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

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The nave of the Parish Church of Urtijëi. This image was created by User:Moroderen. Thank you, Moroderen!

Spotlight In the spirit of Christmas, the spotlight for the coming month might actually best be on those people closest to you. We know that a lot of our editors here are associated in some way or another with schools, and many if not most of them are going on rather extended breaks for the holidays. This can give some of us a chance to meet up with old friends, spend time with our families and those close to us, and, in a sense, "recharge" for the new year. So, for all of you who are in some way part of that group, we wish you the very best of holidays. We hope you all return to editing after the holidays with your spirits lifted and with your energies at peak level. There are some small matters in development here as well, and it is our hope that some of them will be ready come the next newsletter. But, until then, we wish you all the happiest and holiest (if appropriate) holidays.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - January 2013
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 354 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Alliereborn, Iselilja, Peterkp, and Sosthenes12. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By John Carter

Church of the month This image of Alexander Nevsky Cathedral in Tallinn, Estonia by User:Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, the image in the "Church of the Month" section of this newsletter was promoted to Featured Image status.

Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes, BWV 40 by Gerda Arendt and others, Teuruarii IV by Lemurbaby, KAVEBEAR and others, and Peace on Earth (Casting Crowns album) by Toa Nidhiki05 and others, were all promoted to GA status.

Also this past month, the DYKs on the main page included St James' Church, Cardington by Peter I. Vardy, Bishop's Palace, Kraków by Poeticbent, Kippinge Church by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Trinitatis Church, also by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Steindamm Church by Olessi, St Laurence's Church, Church Stretton by Peter I. Vardy, Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Meteora, by Peter I. Vardy, Sonrise Church, by Aboutmovies, St. Peter's Episcopal Church (Albany, New York), by Daniel Case, All Saints Church, Claverley, by Peter I. Vardy, and Church of the Holy Virgin Mary of Lourdes, by  Poeticbent. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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The Tower of Babel'' by Pieter Bruegel the Elder This image was created by User:Dcoetzee. Thank you, Dcoetzee!

Spotlight The Spotlight this month turns to the the Syriac Christianity work group. The scope of this project includes the various traditions of Syriac Christianity, including the Assyrian Church of the East, Ancient Church of the East, Church of the East, Syriac Orthodox Church, Chaldean Catholic Church, Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, Melkite Greek Catholic Church, Syriac Catholic Church, Syro-Malankara Catholic Church, and Saint Thomas Christians. One of these groups, the Assyrian Church of the East, is considered by scholars to have probably been, for several hundred years, the largest Christian grouping in the planet, with its numerous members in Central Asia and Eastern Asia. Numerous texts, traditions, and practices unique to these groups exist, including the Jesus Sutras and the belief of the Assyrian Church of the East that the bread they use in the preparation of their Eucharist uses the same basic yeast as that used in the bread of the Last Supper itself. Sadly, given the linguistic barriers to much of the content relative to these groups, and the comparative lack of notoriety they have in the Western world, much of this content does receive less attenion, and thus less development, than much other content. There is a large amount of extremely valuable historical material here still waiting to be adequately developed by editors with an interest in the topic, and I personally very much hope that we can draw more attention to these topics, and the content related to them.

By John Carter

Calendar This coming month (mid-January through mid-February) includes The Presentation of Christ in the Temple or Candlemas and the Conversion of Paul. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint Agnes, Saint Francis de Sales, Saints Timothy and Titus, Thomas Aquinas, John Bosco, Saint Agatha, Paul Miki, [{Saint Scholastica]], and Saint Anskar.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Thomas Cranmer, Mr.Oglesby, and Sneha Priscilla. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of John Carter, and so I have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and the election of Pope Francis. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By Gilderien

Church of the month This image of the Church of Saint Ildefonso, Portugal by Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report Since the last report;

Grade I listed churches in Cumbria was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to Peter I. Vardy, and the image above of the Church of Saint Ildefonso was promoted to featured picture status.

Martin Luther King, Jr., by Khazar2, was promoted to GA status, as well Third Epistle of John by Cerebellum.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer by Peter I. Vardy; Marion Irvine by Giants2008; Margaret McKenna by Guerillero; Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity by Epeefleche; St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood by Peter I. Vardy; Vester Egesborg Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; Undløse Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St Martin's Church, Næstved by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St. Peter, Syburg by Gerda Arendt and Dr. Blofeld; Østre Porsgrunn Church by Strachkvas; Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) by Nyttend; Dami Mission by Freikorp; Mechanicsburg Baptist Church by Nyttend; Acheiropoietos Monastery, by Proudbolsahye; T. Lawrason Riggs, by Gareth E Kegg; McColley's Chapel, by Mangoe; Oświęcim Chapel, by BurgererSF; Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio), by Nyttend; Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn, by Yakikaki; Old Stone Congregational Church, by Orladyl Heath Chapel, by Peter I. Vardy; St. Joseph's Church, Beijing, by Bloom6132; Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton, by Rodw; and St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) also by Nyttend. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22, a cantata by the German composer J.S. Bach, was promoted to GA this month and was written by Gerda Arendt. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.

Spotlight The Spotlight this month turns to the the Jesus work group. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, Jesus Christ and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include Jesus, Christ, Resurrection of Jesus, and Holy Grail, whereas High-priority articles include Aramaic Language, a former FA, as well as Sermon on the Mount, Lamb of God, and Passion (Christianity). The workgroup has also published two books, covering Christ's final days and the Parables of Jesus. The workgroup has two GAs, Nativity scene, and Jesus in Islam, but unfortunately the flagship article, Jesus was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three WP:1.0 articles, and the WikiWork of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By Gilderien

Calendar This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes Easter Sunday in Western Christianity and both Lazarus Saturday and Palm Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint George, Saint Mark the Evangelist, Saint Stanislaus, James, son of Zebedee, and Benedict the Moor. - Help requests Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (May 2013)
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 363 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Pleonic, MJWilliams1998, Iloilo Wanderer, Jkadavoor, Sir Ian and McBenjamin. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor This month we hear the news that the Bible is to be made into a film after outstanding success of a biblical miniseries on the History Channel, and we have seen the release of Iraqi Pastor Ali Hamzah from his confinement in Iraq.

After last month's spotlight on the Jesus work group, the flagship article, Jesus, was nominated for Good Article status after much work from FutureTrillionaire and History2007, and provisionally passed by the reviewer, although they have requested a second opinion. Our many thanks for the hard work that has gone into restoring this article to a quality piece of work.

This month the second largest denomination of Christianity, the Eastern Orthodox Church, celebrates Easter and the death and resurrection of the Son of God Jesus Christ.

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By Gilderien

Church of the month Wells Cathedral was this month promoted to GA status. Rodw has appealed for any help project members can give to improve this article for a FA nomination.

Contest of the month No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. By John Carter

Featured content and GA report Since the last report;

Featured report; Madonna in the Church, by Ceoil, Truthkeeper88, and Johnbod was promoted to Featured Article status. Crucifixion and Last Judgement was promoted to featured picture status, after nomination by Crisco 1492.

Wells Cathedral, by Rodw, Robert of Ghent, by User:Ealdgyth, Christianity in Medieval Scotland, by Sabrebd, and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, also by Sabrebd were promoted to GA status.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included Lectionary 311, by Leszek Jańczuk; Herr Christ, der einig Gotts Sohn, by Gerda Arendt; Whalsay Parish Church, by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Dr. Blofeld; Interpretatio Christiana, by Altenmann; First Congregational Church, Salt Lake City, by Orlady; Church of King Charles the Martyr, Royal Tunbridge Wells, by The C of E; First Church in Albany (Reformed), by Daniel Case; Pope Anastasius II, by AbstractIllusions; Iglesia de Nuestra Señora de la Palma, by Dr. Blofeld, Ipigott, Rosiestep; Colan Church, by Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Ipigott; Notre Dame Cathedral, Papeete, Bloom6132, Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota), by Elkman; St. Joseph Catholic Church (San Antonio, Texas), by Gilliam; Doubting Thomas, by Johnbod; Robert of Ghent, by Ealdgyth; and Holy Trinity Church, Holdgate, by Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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This depiction of the Crucifixion and Last Judgement was painted by Dutch artist Jan van Eyck and promoted to Featured Picture this month.

Spotlight SPOTLIGHT

This month, we turn our attention to the Encyclopedic articles sub-group, which aims to provide "a collection point for lists of articles contained in other reference sources relating to Christianity, which could serve as a basis for developing our own content". Created by John Carter, it is primarily a list of links, red or otherwise, for subjects which have an article in the reference works listed therein. This serves as a very useful list if any project members are "stuck for what to do" and there remains lots of potential for articles developed from this list.

By Gilderien

Calendar This coming month (end-April through end-May) includes Easter Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Matthias the Apostle, The Venerable Bede, and Empress Helena. - Help requests Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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