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Luton and Watford rivalry
Hi mate; cheers for picking me up on those stats, the reason for the cock-up was that when I did the table of results before, I made a couple mistakes. As I put in the edit explanation, I checked again last night, found the disrepancy and corrected the stats, but forgot to change the results.

I'll check one more time tonight, and make certain the matter – I think the source of the problem may be that in my book Luton results are counted first, and I accidentally put a couple results in backwards as a result.

Bear with me on this. Cheers, – Cliftonian the orangey bit 07:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, toss it. Think I messed up last night. Sorry, – Cliftonian the orangey bit 07:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I've got a big book called "The Definitive Luton Town F.C." that has all of the stats in. It sorts it all into nice tables for Football League stats, but unfortunately it only gives you the results in the Southern League, leaving you to count them up yourself! The Luton results are given first (being a Luton-focused book), meaning that it can quite confusing when you're first inputting them backwards (when putting them into the Watford at home column) and then trying to think backwards again when you retrieve them from the table you've made to find the head-to-head record!


 * I think what we've got now is more or less right (stats-wise); I say so because I've been compiling the all-time league record here and the stats now line up with that (which I'm pretty sure of). Therefore what we may have is a mistake or two somewhere in the match results (perhaps an away win or two down as home ones, or vice versa). I'll have a quick look through in a few minutes.


 * Cheers, – Cliftonian the orangey bit 20:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Found the mistake – I had a cup game in 1903 down as both at Dunstable Road and Cassio Road! I also gave Watford one home win too many. Should be sorted now, cheers! :) – Cliftonian the orangey bit 21:22, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Western Sahara national football team
Hi, are you interested in taking this AfD to deletion review? GiantSnowman 16:45, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Ioannis Marougkas 10
I have started a discussion about that hoax-author at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Cheers, GiantSnowman 15:14, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

FLC review of Premier League Manager of the Month
Thanks for reviewing Featured list candidates/Premier League Manager of the Month/archive1. I believe I have now addressed all of your concerns. Best wishes, Rambo's Revenge (talk)  14:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hopefully that's the second lot addressed too. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  15:49, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Marlon King
You should consider improving it. Editors are unlikley to accept your edit summary to justify removing content on that scale. Regards, 12:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

[above edit wasn't mine but my message pertains to MK too...] That's fair; I kinda knee-jerked that into the article. I'm not really used to BLP guidelines and whatnot, and I suppose there's a danger of recentism with that kind of content. I'm totally unphased if the edit is ripped to shreds; you'll know best! As for Watford, I thought about starting a little drive a while back but never really got it into motion. I'll gladly lend a hand where you feel one is needed, as I've been mightily impressed by the impact you've had in a very short time. If you want any assistance in proof-reading or copy-editing, or for that matter peer-reviewing, consider me a first port of call. Thanks for the civility! Seegoon (talk) 23:06, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the season article is probably the finest one for any Championship club, it has to be said. Kudos for that! That's one that will just need a massive prune at the end of the season, or it'll be thousands of words long, so perhaps it's best to let it grow organically for the time being. As for Marlon King's, it's a difficult balance. If you were to push for FAC one day, you'd want it in there for the sake of comprehensiveness, but as it is it imbalances the article. It's hard to reconcile those two ideas. Perhaps it would work better with Wenger's quote in a quotebox or something like that? I don't know. There's got to be some sages somewhere you could consult if you so chose, I imagine. Seegoon (talk) 23:41, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Great work on the table! Leaky  Caldron  20:14, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well it won't need to be updated for a while! Bad result at WBA today.  Leaky  Caldron  20:19, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

List of French Open Men's Singles champions
Hello, Go and fix the grammer errors or tell me what they are, Please! Thanks... BLUE DOG TN 10:49, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

WP:HERTS
I need to get back to my roots. There are some featured articles already with the project. Maybe just talk with the other editors. Maybe we should have a newsletter or Portal. Maybe we should look at better projects e.g. BUCKS, Cornwall, Sheffield, come on you Sarries..., London etc? I have tried managing projects and found i am only really good with the assessment and newsletter side. Simply south (talk) 20:02, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I do do the monthly Metro (WP:LT newsletter) [although overdue again]. Simply south (talk) 21:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
—S Marshall Talk /Cont  21:03, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Laurie Nash GA
I think I have now covered all the issues you raised in the GA nomination for Laurie Nash. Cheers, --Roisterer (talk) 11:23, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I changed "flag" to "premiership" (which I thought I had already done but obviously not). Hopefully everything good now. Cheers --Roisterer (talk) 23:14, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the review and comments. --Roisterer (talk) 01:47, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Watford F.C. season 2009-10
I would be happy to. Early next this week OK?Cptnono (talk) 08:13, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Buncefield fire
Hi WFCforLife. I am back after a long absent time. Please check the Buncefield fire nomination page. I've started to work on the article, but you could help anywhere where you want to. I would really appreciate your help! Kind regards,  Lourie Pieterse  15:49, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of unreleased Michael Jackson material/archive1
Hi, can you revisit this FLC when you have the time? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 16:06, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of Nelson F.C. seasons/archive1
Hi there, I've addressed your comments, so would you mind having another look? Thanks a lot, -- Big  Dom  21:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

List of Parliamentary constituencies in Hertfordshire
Wow, big improvement! The only change I'd recommend now is in the "changes" table at the end. Instead of heading the columns "Gains from 2005" and "Losses from 2005" I'd head them "Wards added since 2005" and "Wards removed since 2005" (the terms "gains" and "losses" could cause confusion). Otherwise, an excellent and informative list. Similar lists for other constituency groupings would make a terrific resource for next year's election. Brianboulton (talk) 09:39, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Please let me know when you nominate at FLC. Brianboulton (talk) 11:18, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you sorted out the Hemel Hempsted problem? Brianboulton (talk) 00:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Seattle Sounders FC FA review
They recently started the FA review over because they said it was turning into an extented peer-review (which I don't disagree with). It would be great if you could again voice your support/oppose/comments again on the newly restarted FA-review. Thanks! --SkotyWATalk|Contribs 17:41, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Valued pictures and ITN in the WikiCup
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1st Wikiproject UK Politics Newsletter
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2010 WikiCup Signups Reconfirmation!
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RfA thankspam


RfA Thanks
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Oslo Metro lines
Hi! You left some comments at Featured list candidates/List of Oslo Metro lines/archive1 nearly two weeks ago. I followed up on your comments, but the nomination is sort of hanging in mid-air without a conclusion or further comments from you. Thanks, Arsenikk (talk)  14:44, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

List article issue
Since the section at FAC got archived without any contributions other than thee or me, I've posted it again here on the talk page for Stand alone lists, to see if anyone else will venture an opinion. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 18:01, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

FLC withdrawal
As a temporary delegate at FLC, I withdrew List of Parliamentary constituencies in Hertfordshire as you requested.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 22:10, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

List of Formula One drivers
I'm just editing on the List of Formula One drivers and as I know you're working on it, I just wanted to let you know I'm gonna be doing a few big edits, I hopefully wont be too long by the next time you edit the article, but just wanted to inform you of this so we don't have an edit conflict. Afro Talkie Talk - Afkatk 14:15, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * yeah don't worry about it, I looked at some old revisions again just a while ago and have separated em again, and we'll sort out the name column a little later btw as I see you've got the sorting by first name. Afro  Talkie Talk - Afkatk 16:05, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I don't know if you are aware of this but that is sorting by the first name and not last if you check the table, I think Michael Schumacher would correctly sort the table. Afro  Talkie Talk - Afkatk 16:18, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Try sorting, for instance, drivers beginning with 'O' in this diff. It does sort them in alphabetical order of surname. The reason it currently sorts some drivers by first name is that I've only done C-Z. Drivers whose surnames begin with A and B are sorted by first name. WFCforLife (talk) 16:33, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I don't know if you are aware of this but that is sorting by the first name and not last if you check the table, I think Michael Schumacher would correctly sort the table. Afro  Talkie Talk - Afkatk 16:18, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That's my bad then, anyway dude I'm done for the day feel free, all align=center need to be removed and incase you aren't able to find the code in for the table for the contents just place this  before the very first name of that letter.  Afro  Talkie Talk - Afkatk 16:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll hopefully finish merging the tables today. Afro Talkie Talk - Afkatk 06:49, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I fixed the Reference on there as its more of a Note feel free to alter the Note, and I'm just finishing off the table now so I hopefully wont be too long in saving it. Afro  Talkie Talk - Afkatk 16:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah I forgot to mention I added 2 General References though I'm not sure of the StatsF1s reliability so adding the refs to this might be more your area of expertise. Afro  Talkie Talk - Afkatk 16:07, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, and I'm pretty sure we fall into the same boat on that, and I think we might need to have like a little talk on the Nationality Table on the bottom of the article, since the formatting I think is kinda weird. Afro  Talkie Talk - Afkatk 16:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well it looks very awkward the table does, I think it could look a whole lot simpler rather than listing the champions and yes I agree Current drivers would be a more useful column and Total Current drivers could probably be listed next to the end column. Afro  Talkie Talk - Afkatk 16:35, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Christmas!


 Lourie Pieterse  is wishing you Happy Christmas! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Yuletide, Litha, Eid, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hannukkah, Kwanzaa, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

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RfA Thanks
<div style="padding: 5px; background: lightgray; border-style: solid; border-radius: 1em; ; border-width: 2px; border-color:gray; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 100%; "> <div style="margin-top: 3px; padding-top: 9px; padding-bottom: 9px; padding-left: 9px; padding-right: 9px;"> <font color="#000000">My RFA →→→ <div style=" border: outset 1px DarkGray; background-color: DarkGray; padding: 2px 2px 2px 2px; "> <div style=" border: outset 1px DimGray; background-color: DimGray; padding: 2px 2px 2px 2px; "> <div style=" border: inset 2px white; background-color: #f5f5f5; padding: 10px; color: black; "> Dear WFCforLife, here is a little note to say thank you for your kind vote on my request for adminship which failed with a final result of (40/19/12).

Thank you for your participation in my RfA which I withdrew after concerns of my knowledge of policy. Special thanks are owed to Coffee, who defended me throughout and whom I cannot thank enough for the nomination; to 2over0 for being supportive and helpful; to A Stop at Willoughby for the thorough, thoughtful and articulate support rationale; to IP69.226.103.13 for maintaining composure and for a pleasant interaction on my talk page and, last but not least, to Juliancolton who was good enough to close the RfA at my request and, frankly, because an editor whom I respect so much found the time to support me! If the need for more admins at the main page is still apparent in a few months, I may try again. Thank you all for a relatively drama-free RfA and for providing me with much material from which to learn from my mistakes. You're all welcome to drop by my talk page any time. God save the Queen Wiki! <font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">HJMitchell  <font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang?   00:11, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

football squad player proposal
I've added added a overview at VP. You can edit it or change it if you feel it's not neutral or otherwise needs a change Gnevin (talk) 20:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Goodison Park
Thanks for reassessing Goodison Park, do you have any suggestions for what it would need to make either A-class or a featured article? TheBigJagielka (talk) 14:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

The 2010 WikiCup begins tomorrow!
Welcome to the biggest WikiCup Wikipedia has yet seen! Round one will take place over two months, and finish on February 26. There is only one pool, and the top 64 will progress. The competition will be tough, as more than half of the current competitors will not make it to round 2. Details about scoring have been finalized and are explained at WikiCup/Scoring. Please make sure you're familiar with the scoring rules, because any submissions made that violate these rules will be removed. Like always, the judges can be reached through the WikiCup talk pages, on their talk page, or over IRC with any issues concerning anything tied to the Cup. We will keep in contact with you via weekly newsletters; if you do not want to receive them, please remove yourself from the list here. Conversely, if a non-WikiCup participant wishes to receive the newsletters, they may add themselves to that list. Well, enough talk- get writing! Your submission's page is located here. Details on how to submit your content is located here, so be sure to check that out! Once content has been recognized, it can be added to your submissions page, from which our bot will update the main score table. Remember that only articles worked on and nominated during the competition are eligible for points. Have fun, and good luck! Garden, iMatthew, J Milburn, and The ed17 19:24, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

List of Formula One drivers
Hi me again, I was just wondering on the list if we should do something on the Key, I was thinking something like this would be more appropriate, using the Wikimedia colour schemes so just thought I'd run it by you before I made any changes Afro  ( Not a Talk Page ) - Afkatk 03:56, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I guess that could work, I'll make the changes within the next day or 2. Afro  ( Not a Talk Page ) - Afkatk 16:41, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've made the changes to the article if you'd like to take a look. Afro  ( Not a Talk Page ) - Afkatk 09:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Mary Pickford filmography
Thanks for the support. Jimknut (talk) 20:57, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Invitation for review of FLC
Hi WFCforLife! Since you reviewed the List of National Treasures of Japan (paintings), I thought you might be interested also in List of National Treasures of Japan (shrines) which is currently a featured list candidate and in need of feedback. I'd appreciate if you have time to look over it and leave comments at the candidacy page. (The list is shorter than the painting list.) bamse (talk) 22:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Strikes
Can you Strike progress at Talk:2009 Big Ten Conference football season/GA1?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

C. Barnes...
I'd like to throttle him if he was still alive. ;) – Cliftonian the orangey bit 09:39, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Excellent work!

 * Hey, this still hasn't been added to the list of featured content on WikiProject Football‎. Do you want to do the honors?  --SkotyWAT|C 01:37, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tommy Smith (footballer born 1980)
The article Tommy Smith (footballer born 1980) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Tommy Smith (footballer born 1980) for things which need to be addressed. There's just a few comments that need addressing. Thanks, -- Big  Dom  11:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi there, per your comment at the end of the GA review, would you mind having a look at the Clarke Carlisle article I've been working on for a while and it's up for GA now. Also, he's a former Watford player! Cheers, -- Big  Dom  18:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Tomorrow will be fine, there's no rush. Thanks, -- Big  Dom  18:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Clarke Carlisle
Hi, I've had a go at addressing the GA comments, would you mind having another look? Cheers, -- Big  Dom  18:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for the speedy review, the article's even better now than it was. I'm hoping to get it to FA status eventually, but I think he'll need to play a few more games first... Anyway, cheers -- Big  Dom  21:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 and Dermatology-related content
I noticed that you are participating in the 2010 WikiCup. I have been working on the Bolognia push which is a project to make sure Wikipedia has an article (or redirect) on every know cutaneous condition. With that being said, there are still many cutaneous condition stubs to be made, and Bolognia could be a source for a lot of DYK articles, etc. Therefore, I was thinking maybe we could help one another... a competative WikiCup that also serves to improve dermatologic content on Wikipedia. I could e-mail you the Bolognia login information if you have any interest? ---kilbad (talk) 05:03, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Italian orders of knighthood/archive1
Hi, can you revisit this FLC when you get the chance? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 23:36, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

2009 Big Ten Conference football season
Have at it.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:38, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help cleaning up the page. I have responded to your concerns.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Audio

 * Monty Python - The Final Rip Off
 * Stephen Wright - I have a Pony
 * Dennis Miller - the Off-White Album
 * Robin Williams - Live at the Met
 * Comic Relief - ...a bunch of them
 * Bill Cosby - Noah and other stories

Video

 * Monty Python - The Life of Brian, The Meaning of Life, the Holy Grail, ...and more
 * Robin Williams - Live
 * Benny Hill - the Best Of
 * ...just wanted to let you know! ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 09:27, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Saw your reply. The confusing portion remains ... why oppose?  Although your point still seems to elude me...maybe a neutral, but an oppose? ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 09:46, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

footballbox collapsible
No news yet. I've posted my concerns and the results of my investigations on WT:ACCESS, but no response so far. I've even trudged through the history of MOS:COLLAPSE and found the editor who originally added it (after very little discussion) and asked for their input. So far nothing. My next step (probably Sunday) will be to propose new wording for MOS:COLLAPSE that joins the verbage of the two contending sections of the MOS. I think with the clarifiaction that collapsible content is not appropriate in the "article prose or the reference section" the MOS will be correct and unambiguous. I'm curious what you think of all this?

Parenthetically, I'm also frustrated with the unapologetic, immovable position Thumperward Chris Cunningham has taken with this. I've tried to share my concerns with him on his talk page about how he's gone about this. While he has responded to my comments, overall I'm not impressed with how he's handled this. --SkotyWAT|C 02:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Assessment
Since I respect your opinion and the work you have done on football I would like to ask if you can assess and rate a couple of articles that I have done. I would like to make List of Plymouth Argyle F.C. Players of the Year and Home Park as good as possible, so I would appreciate your input if you have the time.

Cheers. Argyle 4 Life (talk) 15:13, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * All sorted except the third party source. I can't find much that is readily accessible aside from archiving websites like Encylopedia.com and Highbeam.com which don't let you see the full article without subscribing first. I'll keep looking. Is it essential? In an ideal world the club's website or a local paper would have a section for it, listing the winners with pictures and background information, but such is life. Am I going about this the right way? I have been a member here for a couple of years but have only seriously got into it since December 2009, so I'm not fully glued up on the nomination and rating system yet.


 * I completed a write-up for Home Park on Friday because the previous one was a copy-paste from a website that is popular with Argyle supporters. I feel I've structured it well, but could make it better if I had more sources at my disposal. For instance I would like to go into more detail about the night the Football League defeated the Irish League 12–0, but I can't find anything of substance on it quite surprisingly. Argyle 4 Life (talk) 19:35, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah I see. Alt text should describe what the picture contains. I shall adjust it and put it forward for Featured List process.


 * I'll have a scan through the peer review and decide whether I should nominate it now or later. I'm not sure what they look for either to be honest, heh, but I'm quite happy with how it looks. I put quite a few hours into it every evening for nearly a week, building it up and making sure it was structured well. So I'm looking for opinions on where it is at the moment and what I could do to make it better. I appreciate your support. I'll throw some more work your way soon if you're not too busy! Cheers. Argyle 4 Life (talk) 22:16, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * No turning back now. Thankyou for the feedback. Hopefully it'll all go smoothly. Argyle 4 Life (talk) 23:15, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Would you say that When Saturday Comes is a respectable reference for establishing reliability?

I'm being made to work hard for my first Featured List! I would appreciate your input on it. Argyle 4 Life (talk) 07:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Ron Saunders
Hello, and thanks for adding your book source to Ron Saunders. Was wondering if that book actually covers the majority of the info in the article, apart obviously from the recent stuff, my experience of club who's who-type books being that they're not always that detailed about a player's career elsewhere. If it does, then great, but if it doesn't, then please could you put a BLP sources template on the top. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Good :-) thanks, Struway2 (talk) 10:10, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Mass deletion - football
Regarding your post at when you add a ref and remove the tag of a player on that deletion list at  will the list automatically update so as to remove the player from the list next time (and how often is the update done?) Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 23:05, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Featured list removal candidates/List of state highways in Marquette County, Michigan/archive2
just wanted to tell you, you listed your comment as "Provisional delete" you might want to clear this up a little bit. Afro ( Its More Than a Feeling ) - Afkatk 23:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Discussion invitation
Ikip 05:06, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

(refactored) Ikip 04:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Jack Barnes (footballer)
Sorry that no one answered your query earlier about moving the page to avoid confusion with your article. I've now moved it to Jack Barnes (Australian footballer), which is WP:AFL's preferred disambiguation format for cases like this. I noticed that another article you created, Bill Findlay (footballer), also creates some disambiguation problems with another Australian rules footballer. Think maybe we should make Bill Findlay a disambiguation page? Your Bill Findlay doesn't seem less notable in any way. Cheers Jevansen (talk) 09:02, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Ron Saunders
I have restored the tag at the top of the article as there are no specific references. A generic catch-all reference at the foot of the article is not sufficient. Please don't remove it again until the problem has been addressed - ideally there should be at least one inline citation per paragraph and all statements of fact should be cited. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 13:16, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello. I've added some inline refs, for clarification, and removed the tag. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:14, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Are you sure you're not confusing BLP sources, which is just the BLP equivalent of refimprove, with BLP unsourced? I'd be surprised if anyone was proposing the summary deletion of referenced articles that just needed the referencing improving. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 23:02, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't have thought so. BLPunsourced categorises the article into (a subcat of) Category:All unreferenced BLPs, which is what the discussion's about, and where Rettetast's wondrous lists come from. BLPsources is a good tag: it gets the article out of the above cat, but leaves it categorised in Articles needing better referencing, or something like that, so that people like me who actually like referencing BLPs, can still find them. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 23:37, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Featured list removal candidates/List of state highways in Marquette County, Michigan/archive2
Hi, can you revisit this FLRC? The AfD for the article was closed as a keep, so the current status of the article is unclear. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 16:15, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 January newsletter
We are half way through round one of the WikiCup. We've had some shakeups regarding late entries, flag changes and early dropouts, but the competition is now established- there will be no more flag changes or new competitors. Congratulations to, our current leader, who, at the time of writing, has more listed points than and   (second and third place respectively) combined. A special well done also goes to - his artcle Jewel Box (St. Louis, Missouri) was the first content to score points in the competition.

Around half of competitors are yet to score. Please remember to submit content soon after it is promoted, so that the judges are able to review entries. 64 of the 149 current competitors will advance to round 2- if you currently have no points, do not worry, as over half of the current top 64 have under 50 points. Everyone needs to get their entries in now to guarantee their places in round 2! If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, by email or on IRC. Good luck! J Milburn, Garden, iMatthew and The ed17 Delivered by JCbot (talk) at 00:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Best-selling singles
I have answered your comments on the FLC for List of best-selling singles of the 2000s (UK). 03 md  01:19, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Italian orders of knighthood/archive2
Hi, you reviewed this list's first FLC, which failed because of lack of consensus. Can you pop in at the second FLC real quick? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 01:14, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Category description
I noticed the detailed and informative category description that you wrote for Category:Association football. Thanks! –Black Falcon (talk) 03:17, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That's probably a good idea. I also noticed that you tagged all of the second-level categories for renaming—if you haven't started writing the nomination yet, I can offer you the text of my mostly-complete draft nomination (I have it saved on a text editor). It's not much, but it might save you some time; if you would like to use the text, I can post it to your or my sandbox. –Black Falcon (talk) 03:35, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm in the middle of doing it manually. There were one or two that I've completely changed and therefore want to nominate separately, and I want to be sure that I format it correctly and haven't made any mistakes. Thanks for the offer though! WFCforLife (talk) 03:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, sounds good. Cheers, –Black Falcon (talk) 03:46, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've finished the nom. I was tempted to go further, but I think it's best to do this one layer at a time, because there are many categories that should be called "football" or "soccer" alone, and I don't want to accidentally nominate one of those. WFCforLife (talk) 04:15, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Tom Walley
Hi - I see that you removed the ‎ template from the talk page. Although it may not be a "requirement" to have a player infobox, it is needed if you the article is to comply with the player manual of style. I'll probably add it later, together with some information from the Wales international Who's Who book about his early life and career. Happy editing. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 11:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Scullion: American soccer references
For North American Soccer League stats

Limited Tampa Bay Rowdies information, but it lacks details on Scullion.

This has NASL information. The guy who did it has some limited biographical information, but the list of "Yearly Leaders", "Awards and "All Star Teams" can help. I noticed Scullion's name in a few places there.

If a player spent time in the Major Indoor Soccer League (1978–1992), you can usually find his stats here.

Mohrflies (talk) 18:16, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmm
Hello again, an article I worked very hard on has been nominated for deletion because Wikipedia is "not a statistics database". Here is the article in question. It is clear, precise and backed up by links at the bottom. I decided to do one for Plymouth Argyle because I saw the one for Luton Town and liked it. The only difference between them is that I've included cup matches as well as league matches. Luton's is a featured list, yet mine is proposed for the deletion! I haven't experienced this before so I'm asking what should be done before I proceed. Suffice to say I'm cheesed off. Argyle 4 Life (talk) 14:51, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your RfA Participation
User: - Thanks for your participation in my recent successful RfA. Even though your position was neutral, your comments were constructive and welcome. As the community has expressed its trust and confidence in me, and as you are an equal part of that community, deFacto your confidence and trust in me is much appreciated. As a new admin I will try hard to keep from wading in too deep over the tops of my waders, nor shall I let the Buffalo intimidate me.--Mike Cline (talk) 10:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Jimmy Baker (Welsh footballer)
Hi, I saw you moved this article to 'Welsh footballer' a little while back due to there being another Jimmy Baker who played for Watford, but have you got any evidence that the two are 'welsh'/'english', and if not do you think they would be better at ...footballer born 1904/1897? Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 21:34, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Final discussion for Requests for comment/Biographies of living people
Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:
 * 1) Proposal to Close This RfC
 * 2) Alternate proposal to close this RFC: we don't need a whole new layer of bureaucracy

Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip  03:32, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Kudpung (talk) 23:44, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Images
I clarified the note on images at the Watford players FLC.Cptnono (talk) 01:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Peer review/List of Philadelphia Flyers players/archive1
Have started to work on your comments, would appreciate any ongoing feedback when you have a chance. Regards, Harrias (talk) 12:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Italian orders of knighthood/archive2‎
Can you please re evaluate your weak support or leave additional comments. Thank you. Mephiston999 (talk) 13:05, 28 February 2010 (UTC) Thank you for your revisit. If you have any other suggestions, please feel free to add them. Thank you again. Mephiston999 (talk) 20:54, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 February newsletter
Round one is over, and round two has begun! Congratulations to the 64 contestants who have made it through, but well done and thank you to all contestants who took part in our first round. A special well done goes to, our round one winner (1010 points), and to and , who were second and third respectively (640 points/605 points). Sasata was awarded the most points for both good articles (300 points) and featured articles (600 points), and TonyTheTiger was awarded the most for featured topics (225 points), while Hunter Kahn claimed the most for good topics (70). claimed the most featured lists (240 points) and featured pictures (35 points), claimed the most for Did you know? entries (490 points),  claimed the most for featured sounds (70 points) and  claimed the most for In the news entries (40 points). No one claimed a featured portal or valued picture.

Credits awarded after the end of round one but before round two may be claimed in round two, but remember the rule that content must have been worked on in some significant way during 2010 by you for you to claim points. The groups for round two will be placed up shortly, and the submissions' pages will be blanked. This round will continue until 28 April, when the top two users from each group, as well as 16 wildcards, will progress to round three. Please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup; thank you to all doing this last round, and particularly to those helping at WikiCup/Reviews. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, by email or on IRC. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox, iMatthew and The ed17 Delivered by JCbot (talk) at 00:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

List of Sounders FC players
A newer editor has asked if we could go back to a flat list rather than using a table. Obviously that shouldn't happen, but it begs another question, what should the long term plan for the list be? Do we continue to list every player that makes an appearance? Since the team is new, this will be possible for quite some time, but many of the other featured player lists I see do not have a complete list of all players, rather some sort of summary list. Is this because the list would be too long, or is it because exhaustive data is not actually available? Once Sounders FC settles on a final roster for the 2010 season (in about a month), what changes would you expect to be made to the list? I come to you with these questions for two reasons, (1) you have lots of experience with featured lists, and (2) you did an excellent job bringing this particular list to the quality level that it's at now. I'd hate to introduce blemishes into this excellent work. Thanks, and I look forward to seeing your comments in the discussion. --SkotyWAT<sub style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">C 01:38, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Redlinks and all that
Hello. No problem, and thanks for the compliments. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hameur Bouazza
Hey there. You're better off asking the other Blackpool fan (on Wikipedia, at least), User:Tangerines; he updates the players' statistics and will be able to help you out. - <span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.4em"> Dudesleeper  talk  01:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

BLP sticky PROD
Hi !. Every attempt to rescue a Wikipedia article is a noble gesture. However, there may be occasions when, with the best  will in the world, it  is just  not  possible to accord even a minimum of notability to an article or stub, or find a proper source for it. Most regrettably, even the most  dedicated inclusionists will have to concede that  the article may  have to  go if the creator or major contributors cannot  justify their work. For new and recent unsourced BLPs, some users are now working at  WT:BLP PROD TPL on  the development  of templates that are designed to  encourage contributors to source new BLPs, without  scaring away the newbies who  might  not  be aware of the rules. This template is certainly not  another  a licence to  kill for the deletionists, in  fact  the very idea of it  is to  ensure that  you  are not  fighting a losing  battle. It would be great if you  could look  in  at the prgogress and maybe leave a word of encouragement. The workshop page is essentially a template development taskforce, and is not a place to  engage in a hefty  debate on  incusion/deletion  policy. See you at WT:BLP PROD TPL?--Kudpung (talk) 12:51, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

List of FC Barcelona players
Hiya, you recently reviewed said list, causing me to do some major alterations to the list. Would you care to re-review it? Warmly, Sandman888 (talk) 18:58, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikibreak
I'm using this as a one-stop shop due to limited time. I need to step away from the project for a while, but rest assured that I will certainly be back. When is less clear, although it'll be at least a couple of months.

There are a few commitments on-wiki that I made in good faith but clearly won't be able to keep. For those affected, I sincerely apologize. I think I'm up to date on peer reviews, and I'm happy for the FLC directors to judge whether any of my comments have been resolved. I certainly don't want anything to fail partly or primarily because I made comments and failed to follow them up, and am happy to trust their judgement. I can't remember everything else right now, but off the top of my head I have an outstanding FLC which will presumably be closed when necessary, and I'm happy to be withdrawn from wikicup if it's early enough to allow someone else to take my place. Lastly, I'd be grateful if people could keep an eye on the featured and good content at WP:HERTS, and on Watford F.C., Marlon King and List of Seattle Sounders FC players.

For now, farewell, but hopefully I'll return before too long. Regards, and happy editing! WFCforLife (talk) 13:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Best wishes for your real-life concerns. You'll be missed. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:24, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * All the best, and I hope you return soon. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Best wishes from Seattle as well.Cptnono (talk) 12:34, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 March newsletter
We're half way through round two, and everything is running smoothly. leads overall with 650 points this round, and heads pool B. currently leads pool C, dubbed the "Group of Death", which has a only a single contestant yet to score this round (the fewest of any group), as well five contestants over 100 points (the most). With a month still to go, as well as 16 wildcard places, everything is still to play for. Anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Although unrelated to the WikiCup, April sees a Good Article Nominations backlog elimination drive, formulated as a friendly competition with small awards, as the Cup is. Several WikiCup contestants and judges have already signed up, but regular reviewers and those who hope to do more reviewing are more than welcome to join at the drive page. If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox, iMatthew and The ed17 Delivered by JCbot (talk) 22:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 April newsletter
Round two is over, and we are down to our final 32. For anyone interested in the final standings (though not arranged by group) this page has been compiled. Congratulations to, our clear overall round winner, and to and , who were solidly second and third respectively. There were a good number of high scorers this round- competition was certainly tough! Round three begins tomorrow, but anything promoted after the end of round two is eligible for points. 16 contestants (eight pool leaders and eight wildcards) will progress to round four in two months- things are really starting to get competitive. Anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Judge iMatthew has retired from Wikipedia, and we wish him the best. The competition has been ticking over well with minimal need for judge intervention, so thank you to everyone making that possible. A special thank you goes to participants and  for their help in preparing for round three. Good luck everyone! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 17:40, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Third opinion request
Hello. I'm a third-opinion volunteer. I had to remove your request for a third opinion from the noticeboard because, basically, there has to be a two-party disagreement on a talk page to point the accepting volunteer to, and thus far, there isn't; there's just the back-and-forth in edit summaries. Basically, the way a third-opinion listing works is that you point people to the place where there's the disagreement that's going on between you and another editor. (We also hold no magic power -- we are not arbitrators or mediators. We just essentially toss in a one-shot third opinion into a matter.)  You're also supposed to phrase it neutrally and sign with a timestamp, but those latter two can be fixed. This is just my informal non-"third opinion" suggestion as to where to go from here as a fellow editor: you poisoned the well a bit in terms of working things out with this editor. If I wanted to devote enough time to this issue to move it up the dispute-resolution chain, my first step would be to try to engage this person on their talk page with their actual reasoning. Given your first message to them, if you want to get them in a more diplomatic mood, you will most likely have to smooth the waters a bit, as that message set the stage for a more hostile exchange, rather than one that would resolves disputes. WCityMike 14:56, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * While I think you are correct to say that I could have handled the situation better, in hindsight I still think my actions were justified. Not the optimum course of action, but on the other hand understandable. Nonetheless, I think the best thing is probably to step back for a few days, and see if any other editors happen to enter into the conversation. Given the heavy participation at its previous AfD's, I think it's safe to assume that a few people have it on their watchlist.
 * Thank you for your time, it's much appreciated. Regards, WFC (talk) 15:09, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your time, it's much appreciated. Regards, WFC (talk) 15:09, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * This is going to sound slightly hostile, and I suppose it's because I'm mildly annoyed. (Mildly.  Not majorly.  Just mildly.  Don't sweat it.)  You also need to read instructions and not skip over them, whether they be on a project's talk page or a person's talk page.  The third opinion page contains instructions on how to file a request; people can straighten things out if you don't file it correctly, so it's not a Greek tragedy if you don't, but, nonetheless, it's best to do that.  And, again, just for example, on my page, it says clearly in about twenty zillion different spots: "If I left you a message: please answer on your talk page, as I am watching it.  If you leave me a message: I will answer on my talk page, so please add it to your watchlist."  On the top of my talk page, as part of the page notice that appears when you hit 'edit', etc.  I'm guilty of it too sometimes, but that's twice in a row, so, well, y'know, food for thought.  Anyway, have a good rest of the day.  WCityMike 15:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for diffusing the situation. WFC (talk) 15:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

FLC review urgent
Hi! Since you are familiar with reviewing Lists of National Treasures of Japan, I thought you could help out with the following... List of National Treasures of Japan (archaeological materials) is presently a featured list candidate and marked as Nominations urgently needing reviews which means that it is in danger of failing the nomination due to a lack of reviews. I'd be happy, if you could have a look at the list and leave comments, questions or suggestions at the nomination page. The criteria to be checked against are found here. Thanks. bamse (talk) 14:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

WFC Stuff
Hi mate, I am now back on wiki a lot more and would be more than willing to give a lot more of my time to any of your WFC articles. Just drop me a line and I'll be glad to help, even if it's just simple grammer/spelling/proofreading. swf <font color="#060">b <font color="#063">l <font color="#066">a <font color="#069">d <font color="#06C">e talk  15:42, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

List of FC Barcelona players
Hello. You commented on a previous, unsuccessful, FLC, so your input on the current FLC at Featured list candidates/List of FC Barcelona players/archive2 would be appreciated. Cheers, Sandman888 (talk) 18:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer granted
Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, will be commencing a a two-month trial at approximately 23:00, 2010 June 15 (UTC).

Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not autoconfirmed to articles placed under flagged protection. Flagged protection is applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial.

When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious vandalism or BLP violations, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see Reviewing process). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found here.

If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back
Good to see you back. If you need an extra pair of hands for a project in the future then feel free to drop me a message. <font style="color:#014421;">Argyle 4 Life <font style="color:#4863A0;">talk 21:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

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MOS:COLLAPSE
Re: It still looks the way I remember it from my last edit of the section. What did you think had changed? --SkotyWAT<sub style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">C 08:13, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Will Hoskins
We've got a pretty good record with getting the best out of strikers, so fingers crossed we'll see some decent play (and plenty of goals!) out of him. &mdash; Gasheadsteve Talk to me 11:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

List of FC Barcelona presidents
Hello. I have created a list of all presidents of Barcelona here, and I would like to hear you input on the featured list nomination here, because it has not received any reviews for 14 days now. If you could add whether you support, (are) neutral or oppose the list, that would be very helpful as well. Cheers! Sandman888 (talk) 06:45, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

LOI
Just a heads up based on your deprod of McAllister, the LOI is not fully professional (see WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues for details), so may be worth reinstating it. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  08:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Semi-wikipedia related question
Nice to hear you have a soft spot for your friends up the road! I see we're playing each other in a friendly in late July, which should be good. As for your question regarding the name change; it was something our chairman Phil Wallace had been mulling over for quite a while. He seemed adamant that having 'Borough' in our title made us look like a small club and therefore, on securing on promotion to the Football League, he finally went through with it. His reasons were "the directors do not believe the connotation of the word Borough in the name should be carried into the Football League. It’s served us well as a non-league club in the climb up the non-league pyramid and we shall always be ‘The Boro’ in recognition of our roots, but now it’s time to look to the future". Have a look at this link for a bit more information.

As for Luton, I completely agree with you. Tuning into 3CR on my way to games made me realise what an arrogant club they really are. One of the commentators/summarisers used to say "we should be beating these teams 7/8–0". Beating them at Kenilworth Road was the highlight of the season! The sad thing is, they still think they're a bigger club than Watford. I've added a line to the lead to bolster it out, as well as correct a lot of mistakes on the page. I'm more into editing our players' profiles, as well as the list pages. Cheers. SBFCEdit (talk) 13:28, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Luton-Watford scorers
That would be a great addition, but unfortunately I no longer have the book; I had borrowed it from a library in Bedfordshire and obviously this is no longer feasible for me to do. It is a very good idea, though, and should you be able to get hold of the book it would not take you long to do with it what you intend. I would recommend you picking it up from a library for this purpose, should you venture into Bedfordshire (you may even be able to get it in some northern Hertfordshire ones); the name of the book is The Definitive Luton Town F.C., it is by Steve Bailey and it was published in 1997 (if memory serves!). Sorry that I can't be more helpful, pal. Keep well. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 05:58, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "bringing 40,000 people to Wembley and having people miss out on tickets doesn't make them a big club. It means that their town has over 35,000 glory hunters." – funnily enough, I agree. Just thought I'd say. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 06:00, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

RFA Thank spam
--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 17:35, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks for the reversion. Probably best in the long run to have the discussion out in the open.

List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League winners
I am not trying to be a pain. Simply, I am being held to high standards as far as the standards of articles are concerned and I expect the same for everyone. The article more than warrants a speedy deletion but I left it there not trying to prove a point but to see if any of the editors would do anything about it. I am not that bored with my life to spend it screwing around online.

We got two options: 1-Merge the article with its parent article 2-Get rid of the tables on its parent article

Which one do you want to do?

Jamen Somasu (talk) 01:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunetly, I have very little interest in the subject at hand. I am very interested in becoming a FL director, though. My main focus has been football involving Costa Rica and South America with a few noted exceptions so I gave the deletion nomination to get the main editors cracking (I know they are around because I know who they are). However, you fall perfectly into that category since most of your contributions deal with European football (English to be specific). I will propose a merge in about a minute. I will leave a notice of it on the FLRN for this article so you can follow up. Jamen Somasu (talk) 01:55, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It is done. Jamen Somasu (talk) 02:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Currencies
Hi, I saw your edit. Could you comment at the talk page, too on my latest proposal? Tony  (talk)  17:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

A Comment on the IP Twit's Comment
I still had your page on my watchlist from our earlier conversation, and so my watchlist heads-up'd me on the message that the IP address left for you. I will say this: he's taking a small thing and projecting it into a huge character flaw that supposedly is intrinsic to you, which is often massively inaccurate, and is what unkind souls do ... but only you are personally equipped to know whether it's a flaw that's true or not. If you enjoy Wikipedia and this sort of thing, then fine! Even Wikipedia has jokingly admitted that it is World of Wikipedia, a MMORPG for bureaucrats, and sometimes I remind myself of this and actually enjoy the bureaucracy purely on that solve-the-puzzle kind of basis. On the other hand, I know that one of my flaws is that I can sometimes find myself aggressive about such battles ... which is why I posted this on my user page to remind me (don't know if you'll enjoy the MST3K reference). I've learned that even trolls can accidentally spew the occasional useful grain of advice, even if it's surrounded by a few tons of fecal matter at the same time. Guess I'm just passing along a thought before I de-watch your page. There's no question it was a jerkish message to leave, but I must say that there's value in making sure one doesn't overdevote themselves to Wikipedia. To everything, balance. Anyway, that's my unsolicited thought for the day. Feel free to insta-archive this as you did with the other comment. :) Best! WCityMike 00:44, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's okay. Sorry I did that, it's very rare that I do. One of my flaws is that when irritated I go into single-minded mode (hence the refusal to take a minute to think, another of my characteristics is that I ruthlessly pursue what I believe is right (which is usually an extremely constructive thing, but today is the exception that proves the rule). But one of my real strengths is that once I've gotten something out of my system I'm very good at brushing it off. I've ranted in several places today to and about several people; I'll be fine once I've written another Watford article or two.


 * With regards to the amount of time I've spent on wikipedia lately, I broke my leg a little while back. Combined with the difficulty of sleeping in this heat, I've spent a lot more time on computers lately than I ordinarily would (not specifically wikipedia; the nature of technology these days is that you can keep tabs on many things without spending time on them). Besides, the topic I normally stick to is very peaceful, and knowing that I should be fully up and about in time for the season helps take my mind off things.


 * As for the IP, I guess we can still hope that his/her parents will raise him/her grow into a balanced adult one day. And in the spirit of assuming good faith, if it is an adult... I guess we can still hope...


 * Thanks for your help. Regards, WFC (talk) 01:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK redlink
Delinked.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:16, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

David McAllister (Irish footballer)
Hello. I've userfied it to User:WFCforLife/David McAllister (Irish footballer). Thanks for implicitly pointing out the problem with a recent rwording of WP:REFUND. See also my reply at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_undeletion.--Tikiwont (talk) 12:40, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. If you later see the need to reopen the case of this particular player, please contact the closing administrator first Spartaz on how to proceed. Even if the guidelines are changed, the problem of scarce in depth sources does not simply go away. In any case, please do not simply recreate in main space but rather work on the page in your user space which can then either be moved back or assessed at deletion review. --Tikiwont (talk) 19:47, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. I'm unsure if deletion review would be appropriate, because I completely agree that the deletion was a correct gauge of consensus at that point, and that the delete arguments were based on policy, albeit the policy itself was fundamentally flawed. But following your above post I will contact Spartaz in the first instance if I think the circumstances have changed, rather than recreate and AfD as initially indicated. Regards, WFC (talk) 19:52, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Basically, many editors will consider any special guideline on notability (which are not policies) - whether WP:ATHLETE or WP:FOOTBALLER - as indicator whether it is likely that good sources for a WP:BIO can be found. Once these sources have been found to be lacking in a particular case, it can be argued that a change in some specific criteria would not invalidate that consensus, especially not for a WP:BLP Spartaz is very familiar with DRV and could also help to assess whether that forum would be the better place to have such a discussion.--Tikiwont (talk) 20:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1914–15 Watford F.C. season
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DYK for George Edmonds (footballer)
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