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-- ▸₷ truthious Ⓑ andersnatch ◂ 11:48, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

September 2020
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 * also the edit of User:Kaihsu was reverted by Liz who wrongly called it vandalism to remove the middle initial W. As I explained on Talk:Chris Tarzan Wallace, this was added April 2017 in special:diff/777627497 who provided absolutely no source for it. User:Liz please remove the unsourced middle name "W." and restore the reliably sourced middle name "Tarzan" per official policy here. WakandaQT (talk) 03:32, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Inks.LWC has agreed with me that W is unsubstantiated but despite this Liz added it back here again. Why is Liz adding this unsubstantiated info and censoring my legitimate sources added to his background? WakandaQT (talk) 03:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I just spent 20 minutes cleaning up all of your vandalism. You're lucky that you didn't receive an indefinite block for all of the disruption you caused. Liz Read! Talk! 03:39, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Excuse me user:Liz but I don't deserve to be blocked at all for adding truthful information. This is not vandalism. You should add the source I referenced from Us Weekly where Wallace did an interview years ago as support for the "othername=" field in his template to read "Christopher Tarzan". Chris explicitly stated "My mom hated her middle name (Augusta), so she let me choose mine. I went by Christopher Tarzan for a while". Obviously he no longer goes by his middle initial (just shortening of first name) but there is no mention at all of him actually changing it to something other than Tarzan, so as best we can know his full name IS still Christopher Tarzan Wallace. Are you calling Chris Wallace a liar? WakandaQT (talk) 03:42, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I'm saying that you can't run around Wikipedia, making drastic changes without consulting other editors. There are bold edits which are done thoughtfully and then there is disruption which is what you did. Liz Read! Talk! 03:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

it appears as punishment for protesting these actions at the log that fifteen minutes later you chose to extend the block from 31 hours to 48 hours. This is a chilling way of silencing criticism of admin abuse, to tack on 17 extra hours. It also appears you allegedly spent "thirty" (amended to "twenty") minutes "cleaning" this up, even though there's no feasible way it could take that long to undo my edits using mass revert tools: this is embellishing both the length of time you took to intercede as well as the gravity of the situation: "vandalism" is a false accusation because I am asserting my opinion of this being his proper name.

You not agreeing to want to display that proper name does not give grounds to revert it and falsely accuse me. If anything, removing truthful information from the article and adding back false information which I had removed, both things you did, more resembles vandalism. You also made a "drastic" change by removing information (his real middle name) and restoring fake information (his fake middle initial) without consulting anybody. I actually DID consult someone: you can see in special:diff/981069102 that User:Kaihsu concurred with me about W. being fake so I removed it. I consulted an interview Chris Wallace did before adding this information. Further consultation should not be necessary unless we have some source out there claiming Tarzan is NOT his middle name, which I have not seen. If that exists then we would have to decide which source to trust, but that dilemma is not upon us today. You disrupted the truth, I disrupted a lie. Wikipedia is about disrupting lies. WakandaQT (talk) 03:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Just going to drop my two cents here, but I think it is clear you knew you were making a controversial edit, and instead of consulting the talk page, you proceeded to even change the page name which is way past WP:COMMONNAME. If I were you I'd wait till the block's over, then open a talk page inquiry. Admanny (talk) 04:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * user:Admanny I wouldn't have done the move if he was the only notable Chris Wallace but there's like a dozen other ones and I don't see why he's always got prime billing over an accomplished scientist, for example. Using his middle name allowed me to point CW at the disambig where it belonged. There is absolutely nothing at all controversial about listing his name was "Christopher Tarzan" because Chris said so himself in an interview. He never tried to cover it up, so why is there a coverup happening here? WakandaQT (talk) 04:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * More cents: shenanigans involving this particular WP:BLP on the night of seem rather like a breach of the post-1932 US politics discretionary sanctions I alerted you to above and Liz is showing great clemency and speaking truthfully that you will be fortunate to come out of this without an indefinite block. -- ▸₷ truthious Ⓑ andersnatch ◂ 04:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

obviously when people are in the limelight is when we go to read up on them, and happen to notice things like mysterious middle initials. The "shenanigans" began, if you'll note, with me correcting an oversight on that article that has stood the past 3 years: the use of the middle initial W added by some random editor without a source which nobody bothered to remove.

How exactly is it violating a sanction to highlight what a debate moderator said was his chosen middle name in an interview? That should definitely be listed in the template as an alias. This has nothing at all to do with his character, just a note about what he chose to be his middle name as a boy.

In all likelihood we eventually find out he changed it to something other than Tarzan, sure, but the best way to do that is to keep Tarzan up because then he'll become aware of the need and correct the record in coming Sundays.

Another interesting thing to note, besides the mention at https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/chris-wallace-25-things-you-dont-know-about-me-w445527/ is the day "25 things" was released, Samantha Bee did a parody of it on her Full Frontal with Samantha Bee blog at https://medium.com/@fullfrontalsamb/61-more-things-you-didnt-know-about-chris-wallace-9f775f0ee022 in "61 more things" where Bee adds "But now I go by Christopher Jigglypuff Pinkie Pie Wallace." to the end. Obviously I would not add THAT to the article since Bee's joke is not as notable as the actual name Wallace affirms he chose for himself, presumably based on Burroughs' character. WakandaQT (talk) 05:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Glen
per the first bullet, I am arguing the ban is not necessary to prevent disruption.

Even if I were convinced this were necessary, I definitely don't 100% understand what it's for because ALL my edits were reverted and called vandalism, and I refuse to believe every single one of my contributions was vandalism.

If it was just doing the page move without permission because Liz thinks Chris Wallace should remain the primary article title for Christopher Tarzan Wallace, that's fine and I agree not to move the page again.

If there are more issues and promises I need to make then I want user:Liz to explain that more clearly. WakandaQT (talk) 02:38, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

October 2020
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Original Research
Evening, please take a look at WP:NOORIGINALRESEARCH and see why I reverted your changes to the draft page for Bobulinski. When a reliable source covers his donations we can add them otherwise it looks like we are doing the investigative journalism (which is a no-no). Koncorde (talk) 02:22, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Heavy.com is generally not a reliable source for such observations, and it's unclear what the inclusion criteria is for the information. You can reply to me here and I will see it btw. Koncorde (talk) 02:37, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Heavy appears to be right in this case though as the non-partisan group Center for Responsive Politics confirms it. The notability of donations isn't necessarily that he stands out as a donator in and of itself, but that it shows a history of supporting the Democratic Party. This has been highlighted by National Review and Fox News and Breitbart articles as well. Regardless of whatever Wikipedia's collective opinion is of the ongoing reliability of claims made on those website, that they have all highlighted this shows it is a point of significance. The blackout we see in other media outlets says more about them than whether or not it should be included here. WakandaQT (talk) 02:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That is not how reliable sourcing works (we don't hope they are right this time), or WP:WEIGHT works. In particular the relevance of who (i.e. the specific people) he donated to 5 years ago is unclear, and the amounts indicate very little. People donate to candidates all the time. So what is the relevance of his donations disconnected from the text in the quotes? Why do we focus on that element of the reports, which amount to less than a sentence in Newsweek, a summary of donations in Heavy (amidst a lot of other information not included because it's equally irrelevant), a passing comment in NationalReview, and two sentences in Fox? It doesn't seem much of a point of significance. Koncorde (talk) 03:38, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

There's no need to "hope" the sources are reliable, because even if you dispute that Fox should be trusted about giving an accurate donation history, CPR backs it up with public records.

The relevance is made clear in the sources: it's being used to make the argument that he's historically pro-democrat and so shouldn't be dismissed on the assumption he's anti-democrat, like they're doing with the blind laptop guy.

The amounts listed would be a LOT for me, but yeah it might be a small drop for a wealthy man. I'm not really sure how wealthy Bobalinski is supposed to be, that's something I don't remember hearing about.

There's lots of info in Newsweek / Heavy which could be relevant to also include in the article. My focus on the donations is simply because I like to begin constructing articles chronologically, and really this is about the only thing in his background with a specific date that comes to mind. WakandaQT (talk) 07:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * In order of sequence:
 * We don't use public records by searching ourselves. If a reliable source refers to public records and provides a summary, then we use them. If an unreliable source refers to public records and provides a summary, we don't use them. In effect we need the reliable source.
 * So if that is the context of why they are being presented, (not sure it is) why are we quoting without the context? It has to be said that Newsweek and Fox do not appear to be making that argument. While NR is making the assertion that it is unlikely he is part of a "Russian cabal" because of some donations (which is their opinion) and should be attributed to NR - but our article is not making that claim in any case.
 * His relative wealth is irrelevant as it's subjective. If someone in an RS was to observe this was "above average" or "in the top 10%" or similar then maybe it carries some weight for a bio.
 * The problem is the vast majority of the content is irrelevant to his notability. We could include lots of information, but his long term notability needs to be established first. Koncorde (talk) 19:43, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you edit disruptively, as you did at Talk:Killing of George Floyd. ''Please stop with the bludgeoning, nitpicking, argumentative editing. Your talk page is one long list of warnings. You are quite likely to be indeffed if you don't stop this behavior.'' —valereee (talk) 12:57, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

I really sugest you stop now. read wp:talk and start to make substative sugestions for improvments, and not jsut musings.Slatersteven (talk) 13:13, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

responding to your question about the warnings for disruptiveness at Talk:Killing of George Floyd
, you opened FIVE sections on the same talk page within a couple of hours. All five sections were full of long rambling questions rather than specific suggestions for improving that article, which btw is an article that is six months old and has 6 archives. Some of the sections were mere repeats of the long rambling questions you posted in other sections. Editors watching that page -- which right now is 471 editors -- all had all your posts come across their watchlists multiple times. As many as 196 may have visited the talk page to check to see if something needed to be done, which it didn't.

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 * replied to V's talk. WakandaQT (talk) 05:49, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

December 2020
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to assume bad faith when dealing with other editors, as you did at Talk:Killing of George Floyd, you may be blocked from editing. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia.''For responding with Your off-topic intimidation actually seems to be aimed to disrupt valid inquiry. when asked to stop being disruptive at this contentious talk page'' —valereee (talk) 11:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Why is it that people can issue warnings about assuming bad faith without clarifying who I was assuming bad faith in? This makes it a challenge to review which editor(s) I may owe an apology to. Diffs should be mandatory for these warnings TBH. WakandaQT (talk) 05:50, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I quoted you, but here's the diff: Special:Diff/995093214. —valereee (talk) 18:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems WakandaQT may owe you an apology. A real one, though. Nothing I've seen indicates the disruption of valid inquiry is one of your aims. Your warnings do sometimes come across (to me) as a bit off-topic and intimidating, but that's more to do with confusing situations and your admin status, not your personal intent, I legit assume. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:24, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , meh, no apology necessary. All I really want is for WQT to think really hard about whether contentious articles are the best place to learn how to edit WP. (Hint: the answer is almost always no.) And thank you for the vote of confidence. I certainly never want to intentionally disrupt valid inquiry, even if I think it's ultimately wrongheaded. :D —valereee (talk) 22:29, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Contentious articles are good places to discover what it is that makes some articles contentious in the first place. Until that's apparent, a lot of well-meaning newbs are going to keep getting sucked into current events articles they swear seem incomplete and slanted, then suddenly chased away by highly-trained security tigers. Like in that James Dean flick North Korea doesn't want anyone remembering correctly. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

As someone who's been in a similar pickle, I know it could be tempting to defend your statement, semantically. You said "seems to be", implying this is your opinion, based on your own experience. I get it, it feels intimidating to be outnumbered by people of different experience who respond to your admittedly less-than-direct requests with expressions of confusion rather than invitations to clarify. I know it's frustrating to see things the majority don't, can't or won't.

But you cannot achieve consensus alone. Not through appealing to logic, emotion, authority or anything. Your plight is objectively doomed, untill and unless you have the numerical advantage. Maybe the news will sway public opinion toward the middle around March, maybe a bigger picture will be feasible then, maybe not. As long as these issues are commonly considered divisive, the dissenters will remain outnumbered and will continue to try in vain, always digging their individual holes deeper, regardless of unique personal intent.

At least, that's my cynically educated prediction. Whether you put any faith in it is your choice, of course. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:29, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

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John Earle Sullivan
Your attempts at citing his tweets only seem to be for highlighting him as violent and seems to highlighting tweets which are about racial justice protests over shooting of minorities and not really related to the Capitol. His tweets have also condemned plans by far-right to storm the Capitol and incitement, while exposing them and calling for a march to stop it but it never seems to have materialised (https://twitter.com/realjaydenx/status/1345163679453622272), (https://twitter.com/realjaydenx/status/1346626169777627141), (https://twitter.com/realjaydenx/status/1346285219993825281), (https://twitter.com/realjaydenx/status/1344863671357480963). Please don't pick and choose what should be added about him to show his character as it is clearly non-neutral. Only report what has been covered in the news. LéKashmiriSocialiste (talk) 06:38, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

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It’s amazing that you can confidently say that Hillary Clinton is not a murderer. Wake up. You’ve been played, hard. Clurrthefurr (talk) 13:14, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

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