User talk:Walkerma/Archive20

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WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter
The February 2008 issue of the WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter is ready! Dr. Cash (talk) 05:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Rollback
Hi, Martin,

I have granted rollback rights to your account. I'm pretty sure you will only use it to "revert vandalism", and not to reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see New admin school/Rollback and Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Hope it is helpful for you. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 05:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that should be useful at times! I'll only use it rarely, though, I think.  Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 05:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Tool is now the Core Topics Collaboration
Just a reminder! Walkerma (talk) 03:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Hydronium ions
I have looked at the news item and the paper and replied on my talk page to keep it in one place. --Bduke (talk) 00:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Comments requested, and visit
Not anywhere near Baltimore, unfortunately; it'd have been a pleasure to meet up, otherwise.

As far as the substantive points:
 * I'll take a look through the French list tomorrow. Personally, I still think the approach you're taking is too complicated—I think a more quality-oriented selection would be simpler, easier for the casual observer to understand, and produce a higher number of usable articles—but I suppose that's not really what you're looking for in the output to begin with.
 * I've responded on the talk page regarding FLs.

Cheers! Kirill 06:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've gone through the French military history lists in some detail. The net effect of the selection—despite the motions about importance statistics—seems to have been simply to grab all the GA and higher articles.  No B-Class article is currently selected, meaning that things like Napoleon I of France don't make it in (at least as far as we're concerned).  I expect this is not going to be limited to French articles, for that matter; there's likely to be minimal deviation as far as the raw hit & link statistics are concerned, so the method used will effectively become a by-quality selection anyways (just one with an extremely high cutoff) for the entirety of MILHIST articles.
 * It would be interesting to see what effect double-tagging has on this, incidentally. How many MILHIST articles would be selected due to their importance to other projects, in other words? Kirill 14:03, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks for looking at these. The selection of articles that are chosen for the test are not necessarily representative of all French MILHIST articles - we used a very crude formula for grabbing a few to look at by hand.  The grabbing formula uses WikiProject importance rankings, but since MILHIST doesn't have these (I do understand why - we don't want to be adding "The Wikipedia War" to our articles) it simply grabbed the better articles.  But this is exactly why we need a complex formula for making selections, since we need to generate importance rankings using other parameters.  We also have to cope for some projects having importance, but others not; I did that by ranking all of this particular list as Mid-Class importance.


 * We will certainly look at the double tagging aspct. However, I do expect differences.  For example, the Quebec project may consider Rutherford Mid-Class, but Physics may rank him Top-Class.


 * So what you should consider is: GIVEN THIS SELECTION, did the bot sort the list into a reasonable order? I'd love to hear your opinion on this.  Thanks! Walkerma (talk) 16:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, the ordering looks pretty good; the bot seems to do a decent job of filtering into at least broad groups of more importnat versus less important articles. The specific pairwise ordering of individual entries is probably open to debate, but isn't really something that should be a practical concern anyways. Kirill 16:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

#wikichem 2/19 log
My connectivity wasn't connected today, so I couldn't log the IRC meeting. Do you have (or know if anyone else has) a saved log of it? DMacks (talk) 21:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Image:Alcohol general.jpg
A tag has been placed on Image:Alcohol general.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section I1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image is redundant copy (all pixels the same or scaled down) of an image in the same file format, which is on Wikipedia (not on Commons), and all inward links have been updated.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on  explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Hennessey, Patrick (talk) 02:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter
The March 2008 issue of the WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter is ready! Dr. Cash (talk) 06:15, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Meetup/Montreal
Date is set for May 3rd 2008 and Buffet La Stanza is the proposed location. Pro bug catcher (talk • contribs). 05:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Unrelated 2 Wiki
Hey, I know this has nothing to do with Wikipedia, but, I am a singer/songwriter/music mixer(producer). Would you by any chance know anyone who I can give my demo to? I know I'm going out on a limb, but, this has always been my dream and I've been working on it for a long time. Thanks for your help-- -¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- 04:51, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

to coordinate acs
Please email me. DGG (talk) 00:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You should have got my email, which I'd already seen before I sent this. Thanks a lot!  I never realised you were active on WP!  We should have a chat some time, I think we'd have a lot of ideas to share.  I'm replying here, because that's what you request on your user page. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 03:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Looking for a template
Do you know of a template that indicates the language to be used in an article, such as American English v British English? I recall seeing something like that on a page but cannot find it. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 03:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I was stuck too, till I did a search via AWB of all templates that linked to the article on American English - bingo! Try British-English or American-English. Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 04:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I thought you might know. ww2censor (talk) 04:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

CAS and Wikipedia
Congratulations on the CAS-Wikipedia link-up announced here. That looks good. One thing though. Were you aware of the discussion at WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology/Proposals? Carcharoth (talk) 18:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * WOW, congratulations! -- Avi (talk) 20:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I appreciate the mention of the MCB project discussion, too, I was unaware of that. Walkerma (talk) 03:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey Martin
Just saying hi and that I appreciate all your work on 1.0. Also that I want to make it clear that my suggestion to have this 1.0-style-issues page on some somepage of 1.0 isn't an attempt to volunteer the time of anyone on your project, or to pull you guys into any contentious issue. (I just became aware that citation style had a long-running edit war in October on WP:CITE, and it's not hard to imagine someone thinking that's a relevant issue for this project.) My only concern with that suggestion was to be absolutely neutral ... if one project speaks up and the others don't, even after I've notified all the people at WP:WPMoS and WP:ASSIST of the project, then it's hard to see how people can complain if there's a (probably false) impression that any such arguments are being conducted on someone else's "turf". - Dan Dank55 (talk) 15:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Council roll call
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Melon ‑ Bot  ( STOP! )  22:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Random Smile!


WarthogDemon has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

- Warthog Demon  03:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Contact re Assessment
Hey Martin, I tried to email you through the wiki function but having trouble. Could you try emailing me so we can exchange info. Cheers. 03:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

April GA Newsletter
The April issue of the WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter is now available. Dr. Cash (talk) 04:07, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Edit. 1.0
I joined in July 2007 :) // A Raider Like Indiana 14:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Joining the 1.0 Editorial Team

 * Dear Martin, I just wanted to ask how does one join the 1.0 Editional Team? I am very interested in becoming a member. Please respond back. Sincerely, Govinda Ramanuja dasa USA (talk) 22:54, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Welcome from the 1.0 Editorial Team
Hey, thanks for welcoming me (finally)! I'd like to help anything that I can, just tell me the choice that I can pick for my participation. Oh yeah, almost forget. I'm will quite busy start from here so if a cannot reply quickly your message just pardon me okay? Ivan Akira (talk) 10:38, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's best for me to be expanding & improving weaker core articles and reviewing articles for possible inclusion the next DVD. Actually, I'd interested in writing Bot, but how can I get the information about it (or from who)? I'm looking forward to it. Ivan Akira (talk) 10:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Now I already finish my test (the government test), but there still another phase of test waiting me. In this busyness, let see what can I do for Boat article. Okay? Ivan Akira (talk) 08:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I've kept you in my prayers, as you asked, and I hope that you did well.  Just work on the boat article once you've got time.  I'm quite busy too, but I hope to do some work on boat myself this weekend.  Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 08:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome... But hey, thanks too (that you prayed for me)! I have made fix (or minor change) to Boat article. But, start from now I'm back in busy again so I will think what is the best for that article. Ivan Akira (talk) 15:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

RE: Welcome from the 1.0 Editorial Team
Thanks for the welcome. I'd like to help in any way I can. -- Shruti14 t c s 17:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Difference between Chemical Compound and Molecule
Since I saw that you are the member of WP:Chem, I am likely to know what is the difference between Chemical compound and Molecule trully? Actually I already make a page that goes for this topic but in Indonesian language (that you maybe don't understand) to explain the difference for my friend. But I am encouraged to find the real truth about the difference, can you help me since I know that you expert in chemistry topic. Thanks! Ivan Akira (talk) 11:17, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Compound list
Hi Walkerma,

I saw your post on depthfirst about chempedia and was wondering if the comprehensive list of chemical compounds has been created yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kdb003 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Reference to 1.0 in WP:Lead
WP:Lead has a sentence that is over 1 year old: "For the planned Wikipedia 1.0 — a static version of Wikipedia distributed on CD, DVD, or paper — one recommendation, not currently implemented, is that the articles will consist of just the lead section of the web version. Summary style and news style can help create a concise intro that works as a stand-alone article." That sentence is a bit surprising; I'm wondering if it's true, and if so, to which articles it would apply. (Standard disclaimer: feel free to reply here, on my page, or not at all.) - Dan (talk) 03:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is true. Although Version 0.7 will be full articles, there has been discussion on doing this.  In fact, just this week someone I know started to set up a chemistry mirror using data from chem articles together with the lead paragraph from each one - see this.  We could very easily produce something that could be (for example) a "Dictionary of Military History" containing leads from the articles - there are almost 40,000 such articles of Start-Class and higher, 65,000 total - and that would make a very nice release (if the quality control were done carefully).
 * As I see it, once we have got a reliable system for producing offline releases quickly and easily, we can start to have WikiProjects designing custom releases, and we could either have a small encyclopedia release (e.g., 3000 organic chemical compounds) or a large dictionary-type release such as the one I mentioned. Both could fit on a CD and be easily downloaded. Walkerma (talk) 05:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that was helpful. I'll pay more attention to leads when doing "well-written" checks!  I will also, with your permission, copy your reply on the talk page of WP:LEAD. - Dan (talk) 12:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, by all means add it. It should be clear that we don't have any firm proposal at this point, only an intention. Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 13:11, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 1.0
I am not sure if an automated check will ever be good enough. Look at what our checker has been turning up in the year pages (and I have corrected and deleted the first load of errors she found). Years are pretty key but full of long standing rubbish vandalism... --BozMo talk 11:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, a very important point. We may need to work with the vandalism patrol people, and set up a list of specific articles that will need us to scrutinise manually.  I suspect that some of the less important lists are similar.


 * BTW, I think we have a solution to the issue of weighting when a project doesn't use importance criteria, as we discussed for articles like rabbit and camel. Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 13:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Chemical compound etc
Hey, thanks for the information.

Althought I (in this very moment) can't briefly read all your answer and summarize it for future use... because I'm is very busy right now and up to several week ahead (next Tuesday, 22 until 24 I will have a test for my senior high school graduation; please pray so I can pass it well, would you?).

But at least I already read your explanation a bit and of course the links to the article that you suggest to read. Really, thank you!

And sorry, I don't know that you have studied Indonesian language about 20 years! Really I'm sorry, so I think you must be understand about my private article Perbedaan antara Senyawa dengan Molekul which in Indonesian language.

Oh yeah, you spell right in "Hi Ivan - Selamat bertemu!" which means "Hi Ivan - Nice to meet you!" in English (at least like that). But the Hi word should be replaced to Halo (in Indonesian), but it's okay.

Thanks again! Ivan Akira (talk) 12:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Boat is now the Core Topics Collaboration
OK, get to work you lazy ... Walkerma (talk) 02:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

What's this?
Hi, saw your comment on Talk:Space and noticed the link to this tool. I'd never seen this tool before, and as a participant at WP:COMICS, I'm interested in how I can use it. Thanks for any help you can offer. Hiding T 09:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi! - Zotero and metadata idea
Hey Martin

Haven't spoken in a while; I'm finally home!

I believe you have some experience with Zotero in formatting refs? Perhaps you can assist User:Freestyle-69? See.

Secondly, I've been checking out Wikitravel, and they have this popup window for entering what they call "listings". Perhaps this will be useful for reaction information, for example? See.

Cheers! --Rifleman 82 (talk) 04:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Glad you got back safely, and it was nice to chat with you on IRC recently. I've lapsed into my "bad old practices" (copying refs into Word documents), I'm afraid, instead of using Zotero as I should!  That means I don't think I can really advise.


 * That Wikitravel thing does definitely look interesting! We'll have to consider if that can be useful to us.  Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 04:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

SUP
Hey Martin

I'm not sure if you're aware of this page, but this might be of interest to you. Cheers! --Rifleman 82 (talk) 06:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Need help with edit conflict with User:wikidas
Dear Walkerma, can you please help on the Svayam bhagavan page. I am having a edit conflict with another editor name wikidas. Can you please mediate or help in some way. It is getting very heated between us ....Please, please help.Govinda Ramanuja dasa USA (talk) 08:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've taken a look at this, but unfortunately I can't really judge the edits being made here as I'm totally unfamiliar with the material. Sorry about that!  All I can suggest is to keep a cool head, WP:AGF, and come to a consensus that all can accept.  Some of the best Wikipedia articles on controversial topics have come about after very heated arguments, as long as all concerned respect one another and work towards a NPOV consensus.  Good luck! Walkerma (talk) 04:25, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

HF
Bit surprised this stuff isn't in the Wikipedia article on HF. Not even the extreme toxicity. I used to do that hazard assessments on the 50 tonne tank on HF at a NW UK refinery but I am sure it must all be public domain info since we discussed it with UK HSE a few times. The conditions give an LC50 of 100km from 50 tonnes of HF. But you know about these things better than I presumably? --BozMo talk 13:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt that I do know more, but I do have some HF suppliers safety info at work I'll try to look at next week. Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 04:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles May Newsletter
The May Newsletter for WikiProject Good Articles has now been published. Dr. Cash (talk) 22:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Help! Boat parts
Hey Martin, I want to ask your help. In the section of Parts in the Boat article. You say that you had borrowed a book about boat from the library, right? Can you improve that section from your book? Help to add some pictures about boat parts and also the definition about it. Please (if you have time)... Ivan Akira (talk) 04:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The books I have focus more on the history, which is what I decided to work on (I'm more at home with history than engineering, I think!). But if I come across anything suitable, I'll try and add it in. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 04:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey I'm sorry, my computer is so slow (I'm using my School computer). So I re-send my message to your talk page again, but now I delete it now. Ivan Akira (talk) 04:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Alrighty! I hope you can. Ivan Akira (talk) 13:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Help! Phosphate and Protein
Martin, I need another help to expand the Cellular functions sub in Protein and clarify the Further reading sub in Phosphate. Thanks, sorry for this. Ivan Akira (talk) 06:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I've been very busy this week. The protein one is outside my area of expertise, but I can help with phosphate, maybe at the weekend.  Walkerma (talk) 03:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

It's okay, I looking forward to your help. Thank you very much. Ivan Akira (talk) 13:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm available
What would you like to see happen before the 22nd (when you're going to be traveling?) - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 03:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! I think it should be possible to come up with some suitable exemplars, and plan the layout, all before I go.  Writing, and indeed the "distillation/simplification" part, may well be going on while I'm away, but I suspect that could go on just fine without me!  We should have a sandbox version we all like, though, before we "go live" across 1000+ WikiProjects.  If we do the "refining" part first, as I propose, a lot will depend on Holon's timetable.  He is very knowledgeable in this area through his profession, and I had a great 90 minute phone conversation with him about his thoughts and ideas.  But we will probably be the ones making suggestions on which exemplars may be useful, and what subject areas to use in order to get a good cross section of article types (your GA experience may help with that).  Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 03:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Some Wikiprojects, such as MILHIST, are a shining example of collaborative ratings. Perhaps we should use this opportunity to highlight examples from some of the more active wikiprojects.  If so, then members of those wikiprojects might be able to best suggest representative samples, which might vary a bit from project to project.  If someone from a wikiproject selects a couple of representatives from each class for us to look at, I will be happy to join a conversation comparing and contrasting the articles.  Feel free to assign me any work you like. - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 03:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's great, thanks! I'll be in touch in a day or two on this.  In the meantime, by all means browse around for some really good examples if you get the chance, or even solicit some suggestions from WikiProjects.  Be warned, though, MILHIST has non-standard criteria for B-Class. Walkerma (talk) 03:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to help
I'd like to help rewrite the rating scheme, but not sure exactly where I should sign. Please count me in.  Arman  ( Talk ) 03:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

History of article assessments on en -Wikipedia
Someone asked about the history of article assessments on en-Wikipedia. They are also after practical advice on setting up a system on another language Wikipedia. See my reply here. I pointed them towards you and said I'd leave you a note, so here I am. Isn't it lucky Wikipedia keeps all its old disucssions! :-) Carcharoth (talk) 10:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Keeping it together
This discussion is effectively closed, but this and this discussions at the Pump and this discussion at the Assessment talk needs to happen at the same place. I completely agree to you on that. Is it just possible to close the proposal page discussion and put the arguments (there are a few) on the other discussion, possibly in a collapsible format? Will it be disruptive or something? I hope not, as it will put all the eggs in the same basket ready to be sorted. No? Aditya (talk • contribs) 14:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is very sensible - in fact, that's why I tried to send people over to the WP:1.0 page, though it may have been lost in all the discussion. I've been busy of late (I just gave a two hour exam which ended 15 minutes ago), so my focus has been on my teaching, but as of 15 minutes ago I have a little more time to coordinate the work here.  Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 16:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

By the way
You may want to avoid using "votes", as some people will freak out... Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 06:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that some people may complain, but (a) I think it will work well in this particular instance (b) it's not the only thing being used to assess consensus, (c) we've successfully used votes in the past and (d) I can't see a better way at this stage. The only reason I'm asking for a vote is that I believe there is already a consensus for making at least one change - the vote is mainly to confirm that fact.  Let's see how it goes.  Thanks for the comment, though!  Walkerma (talk) 06:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, I'm not afraid to take a minority of votes as a consensus view, if those make a stronger case. Walkerma (talk) 06:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Walkerma, regarding this and this, I haven't heard back from Titoxd, and I'm going to be traveling soon, need to get resolution. If the two of you are interested, can you please close the loop with ?  Thanks, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've replied here; if I can help further, please let me know. Thanks for the info. Walkerma (talk) 21:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * What we really needed was for someone to write the Dispatch (as I explained on Tito's page, but he seems to be away). If you could prop any old text in there, explaing the poll and the outcome, Jbmurray can probably finish it, but without that, this will be the first missed Dispatch on my watch.  I left all the info on Tito's page about how and where to write it.  Best regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I've replied on Jbmurray's page. I thought I'd given him enough info to write a piece, but the temp page appears to have an article on Featured Sounds, and it's quite long, so I'm assuming that it will be the only topic covered.  If you still want to write a piece on this, it would probably be best to wait until the process is complete - I'm guessing June 15th or so, by which time I will be back online again. Please email me if you want my input on this, as I may not be able to read WP till then.  Walkerma (talk) 22:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)