User talk:Warofdreams/2004/07-12

Posadas
I believe the photo is public domain but I've emailed the photo editor at Fortean Times (where it has appeared) for clarification. BTW, what's the short form wiki way to invoke the "public domain" msg? AndyL 18:40, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I've divided the article into sections and added a bit on Cuba. AndyL 19:14, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Farthings
I can confirm that Gloucestershire appears to have been divided into Quarters (or Farthings) - see http://www.le.ac.uk/elh/grj1/asl.html Morwen - Talk 15:35, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Reading through that document I also see it quite casually refers to Bath as a borough of Wiltshire at the time of the Domesday Book. Hmmmmm. :) Morwen - Talk 15:46, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

SEP
Regarding the SEP entry, I acknowledge that perhaps I bent the stick a little in the other direction, however the way the entry now stands hardly conforms to NPOV and in some cases is simply wrong.

The split of the Spartacists and the Workers League from the SWP is complicated, and the issues that developed in the course of the differences between the two branches of the opposition to the SWP are not dealt with in an objective manner. As it stands, it really says nothing about the issues, and implies that the group under the leadership of Wohlforth engaged in an unprincipled split with Robertson.

The whole section on the nature of the Workers League in the 1960s and the basis of its recruitment is simply an unsubstantiated slander. The way it deals with the departure of Wohlforth is similarly biased against the Workers League. Neither Healy nor the members of the Workers League ever declared that Wohlforth and Fields were CIA agents. What was at issue was the failure of Fields to reveal the connections of her family with the state. There were _political_ issues in the split that are not even hinted at in the entry, and one would get the impression that Healy was in the habit of going around accusing people of being in the CIA who he didn't like and that this is how the party operated.

The last paragraph is simply factually wrong. The breakdown of the WRP occurred in 1984-85. The Workers League was renamed the SEP in 1995, a decade later.

If the entry is to be NPOV its should _really_ be NPOV, and not constitute a slander against the WL/SEP. If it cannot give an evaluation of the history, then a barebones account of the historical development is preferable to a negative evaluation.

Areas of Birmingham
Why have you just moved several pages about areas of Birmingham from "Wibble, Birmingham" to "Wibble, West Midlands"? Andy Mabbett 19:40, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Socialist Workers Party (UK)
Looks like we have a SWP person censoring the article. Morwen - Talk 13:45, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hmm. I'm just creating ones where 'County of X' means something different to Xshire today. If there is to be a disambig page County of Gloucester then it needs to be more like


 * The County of Gloucester could be
 * an obselete name for the county of Gloucestershire
 * a reference to Gloucester when it was a county corporate

I don't think the counties corporate were ever referred to just as 'County of X'. They always stuck their City in. Morwen - Talk 18:57, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Extreme points
I look forward to Extreme points of Vatican City! Seriously, I love this series and think it's fascinating, but it might be a little ridiculous for every country. I can see big countries like Canada, China, and maybe geographic oddities like Chile, but Madagascar seems excessive ... or is it just me? - DavidWBrooks 18:35, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Seaside resorts
Yep, we needed it. Good for you! Quill 22:10, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * No, I'm no expert on the subject either. I suppose I could add a note about such resorts in the US and the ones I've been to in the UK.  Another thing for my 'to do' list! Maybe we should start a List of Seaside Resorts that people could add to? Quill 22:47, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Mobile
Good idea to split the page Mobile and turn it into a disambig. Even better, would be to update the links poiting there too. -- Solipsist 10:50, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I started updating the links on Friday but had to leave; I'll finish the job as soon as I have some time (ie. next day or so). Warofdreams 10:25, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * No worries, I've done some of the links I could recognise. Its normally easier, but in this case quite a few of the links look like they are wanting to still point to the disambig page, because their links are really to the word mobile in the dicdef sense of 'not stationary'. -- Solipsist 11:30, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Left Communism
I tried to add a bit to 39-52, and tried to outline 52-2004. However, given my editorial decision on what is left communism in the modern era I need you to proof it before I start writing slabs of text. Did you realise that Autonomism doesn't have an entry? Poteria Operai  and Autonomia Operai and Lotta Continua don't have entries? Need some advice on it. Thanks for the compliment over Solidarity (UK). Fifelfoo 23:31, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Social Credit
Greetings! Thanks for 'stubbing' the Green Shirts and Social Credit party pages. I only discovered the Wikipedia a couple of weeks ago. I created the page on the Kibbo Kift and have a little list of others to be added. Next is a page on Hargrave himself. You are in Sheffield? Do you know any of the Woodcraft Folk there? --YX 22:31, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Official invitation
Hi!

This is a message to let you know that there is now a UK-specific Wikipedia community page at UK wikipedians' notice board. It would be great if you could come and get involved! -- Graham &#9786; | Talk 22:53, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Image:Orkney Islands.PNG
Thanks for uploading Image:Orkney Islands.PNG. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use if you release it under the GFDL, or  if you claim fair use, etc.) Thanks so much,    – Quadell (talk) (help)   20:09, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)

80.255
User: 80.255 is back and seems to be determined to ignore the county naming policy that was agreed at  Naming conventions (places). He has been making unnaceptable edits at Shipston-on-Stour by claiming it is in Worcestershire. He is also claiming that what he is doing is acceptable by policy, which it blatantly isn't. I'm not sure what to do about him, and I would appreciate your help dealing with him. Cheers G-Man 13:09, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC) 12:40, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * All my changes are explained in detail, with supporting excerpts from official policy. G-man cannot defend his changes. G-man refuses to discuss his changes in a sensible and logical way, and obviously would prefer to try and start an edit war. Until G-Man can defend his changes, in talk (as I have been doing) and counter my argument in a coherent manner (without calling them "unacceptable edits" but offering absolutely no explanation), and I shall continue to consider his reverts unacceptable and shall continue to revert his changes, all of which are explained in detail and all of which are both acceptable to policy and consistent with other articles which have been accepted as being within policy. 80.255 15:24, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Nomination vote
Hey, thanks for the vote! A real confidence boost, especially when I'm feeling down =) Incidently, have you considered archiving your discussion page? - Ta bu shi da yu 12:36, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Towns in...
I note you're conducting the admirable task of adding towns to Category:Towns in... (wherever). Keep it up. Just a couple of points of feedback: is it possible to keep the county categories as well as having the 'towns in' category or have you already accounted for this? Also Bletchley, Milton Keynes is, as the name suggests, in Milton Keynes and not in Buckinghamshire. Just something to watch in future! -- Graham &#9786; | Talk 18:38, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes thanks, that has cleared it up, though I know one or two other editors who will take offence at the ceremonial counties being used rather than the administrative ones. Is this explained on the category page in each case? -- Graham  &#9786; | Talk 18:49, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi. I have some concerns about this exercise. Given that the number of towns in any given county is much smaller that the number of other types of places (villages/places of interest/whatever) the net result of moving the towns from Category:...shire to Category:Towns in ...shire is going to be to tend to hide them. People are going to look in Category:...shire and not find the place, and think it isn't there. I guess we could resolve this by having eg. Category:Villages in ...shire etc., but is a taxononmy of whether a place is a village or a town really that critical to people browsing places. Or we could have the town in both Category:...shire and Category:Towns in ...shire, but that is contrary to the advice on setting up Categories. If you want to see an example of this in a county which has a reasonable (and increasing) number of village articles, see Category:Wiltshire -- Chris j wood 17:19, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Counties policy
I was thinking of adding an explanitory note to the counties policy, along the lines of what I've left at 80.255's talk page to explain why the policy is not contradictory. I was also thinking of making it clearer that ceremonial counties can be used for geography when a place is a unitary authority. Would you object to this? G-Man 18:58, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * I wasn't thinking of changing the policy so much, just explaining it better, I'm not sure that a vote would be neccesary for that. I feel that the way Morwen wrote the policy is somewhat confusing, and 80.255 is exploiting that. I shall see what Angela thinks seem as she seems to be the gaffer round ere. G-Man 19:15, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I've done it, is it OK? G-Man 20:04, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Category:Towns in Leicestershire
Just to let you know that I've just restored this after it was speedily deleted. The complaint was that it only had one town in it. -- Graham &#9786; | Talk 19:23, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Broken links - plurals
Great work on these reports! How about a report finding red links ending in "s", where an article or redirect exists for the singular? User:Daniel_Quinlan/redirects does this, but it is woefully out-of-date and doesn't appear to have the code he used. Warofdreams 10:23, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Sure thing - I've placed a first stab at such a report in User:Topbanana/Reports/This page contains a red link that may be due to a plural discrepancy. A check for simple plurals only (the addition or removal of a single 's' at the end of an article title or link) yielded almost 7000 suggested corrections so I didn't attempt anything fancier.  Kindly annotate it with suggested improvements and/or split it up into more workable sections as you see fit. - TB 11:09, 2004 Oct 20 (UTC)

Cities
I was helping you out with your category thing by starting at the other end. Just wondering do we put the "Towns in" category on city articles?. Also I came across a place in South Gloucestershire should I put it in "Towns in Gloucestershire" or "Towns in South Gloucestershire". G-Man 18:49, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks I havn't put any city ones in yet. Another thing, I have come across places such as Wimbledon what should I do with these should I put them in "Towns in Greater London" or what, since I believe that this is a ceremonial county?. G-Man 19:21, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Paddock Wood
Am I doing this correctly - first time I've contributed to a talk? I have just added some info from my reference books about the railways at Paddock Wood, and notice you have reversed my previous appellation of 'village'. Surely Paddock Wood hasn't a TOWN council? http://www.historic-kent.co.uk/vill_p.htm certainly talks about it being in a transition stage between town and village; but Statutory Instrument 2001 No 3559 [!] certainly still calls it a parish [ see http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2001/20013559.htm ]. Longfield, close to where I live is in a similar position: to all intents a small town, but still only a village. But perhaps there is a Wikipedia rule somewhere ... [Peter Shearan}

Culture of Greece
Culture of Greece is this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article.

RESPECT
Hi Warofdreams. I have seen him listed as a RESPECT MP at other sources. If you feel it should be moved back then feel free - although a note beside their entry to the effect that Galloway is a member but not listed as a RESPECT MP might be helpful.

Cheers, Big Jim

Economy of Europe
Hi, I noticed you'd earlier supported this new article's nomination for Collaboration of the Week. It has been re-nominated, having been worked on a little and has gained backers. Simply add your support here. Obviously such a big project needs as many users with relevant knowledge as possible, so hopefully this will promote it a little. Thanks, Grunners 00:37, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Isle of Grain
The history of this article's writing is getting a little silly and I am as guilty I think, since it would have been better to have discussed the whole thing BEFORE we both keep chopping and changing it. The information I added - and which you have now deleted - was, to my mind, factual, historical information taken from an historical source (the 1801 map). Is it not still valid to have it in - perhaps given the section a heading: History of the island maybe? It does not as now written, point out that at the beginning that the whole place was simply marshland (yes you do say it later, but this is scene-setting stuff, isn't it?). And you are still persisting with the completely wrong geographical fact that an island is a peninsula ... and that a village is an island!!

There is also no mention that the place has been occupied since at least Roman times - the church has Roman tiling built into its fabric and was part of a nunnery.

The idea that Port Victoria was built as an alternative to Tilbury is completely wrong. I have an article in front of me (in Railway Magazine March 1933) which gives the true reason for its opening. I quote (the italics are mine):

" In the late 1870's the South Eastern Railway decided to promote a line through the (Hoo) district, with a view to competing for the traffic from London to Sheerness, formerly an almost unchallenged stronghold of the London, Chatham and Dover Railway. For some years past a steamer had been running from Sheerness to Strood, whence South Eastern trains gave a connection to London. ... the journey was of some length, along the rather tortuous course of the Medway. In 1879 the South Eastern obtained an Act for a branch leaving their North Kent line at a point about (3.5 miles) from Gravesend ... to Stoke ... In the following year powers were obtained for an extension, (3.5 miles) long, to St James, in the Isle of Grain, where a deep-water pier was to be built on the Medway. A ferry was to connect the new pier with Sheerness ..."

I quoted that at some length since it once again shows that what is now Grain village was, like many others on Hoo Peninsula, called after the name of their parish church - thus Allhallows (All Saints), Hoo St Mary, and so on. The railway was opened throughout on September 11 1882. The pier was built for passenger traffic and indeed Queen Victoria was a passenger! In his book (The Kent Village Book 1999) Alan Bignell says that she "... took a rather curious fancy to Grain as a chosen departure point for trips to Germany" and that Port Victoria (named for her after all!) "was built essentially as a railway station at the end of a line from Windsor"!! So competition with Tilbury - then a freight-only dock - wasn't the case.

Almost finished! There seem to be rather a lot of unwritten references - eg the names of the marshes; container port (there is a reference under Port to containers; and many others. Surely they don't all need referencing? Stoke Marshes and Stoke itself are so insignificant that they can just be included in this article.

I know - I'm probably going to be in your black books now, but can we please discuss ... Peter Shearan 15:07, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

wikiproject for arts
Hi. I saw that you started the wiki project for architecture. I see that there was a link to WikiProject Arts. Whatever happened to that?

I think I aslo saw a wikiproject for arts and humanities somewhere. I'm trying to figure out how the arts and/or art categories can get cleaned up. Clubmarx 23:00, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

Prominent marxists
I'm trying to expand and save Prominent marxists, which is on votes for deletion. Thought you might like to take a look. It could do with a better title, and I suppose it could grow too large in time, but I think it adds something. Mattley 21:18, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Week
Your vote for African art has helped bring about the article's selection as this week's Collaboration of the week. Please join in trying to make the article a feature.

Dosso
Ooooh, now don't I feel silly for the message I left on WP:RfD, acting like you were a newbie! Sorry, the 'Pedia community has gotten so large some names don't ring bells now. But surely you can just start editing the redirect page, you don't need to have the redir deleted first? Noel (talk) 21:41, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Image:Fara.PNG
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Image copyrights
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Possible page merger
I made a suggestion at Talk:Economy_of_North_America, please add your comments there so as to keep the debate in one place. Cheers. Grunners 01:21, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Image tag
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