User talk:Wasted Time R/Archive 11

Hillary Clinton nominated for ITN
Just an FYI that I have nominated the article for WP:ITN for Dec 30. Dezastru (talk) 01:58, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Patton Speech GAN
Just wanted to see if you had any extra questions here. — Ed! (talk) 21:15, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for My Beloved World
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

A well deserved barnstar
Glad we sorted out Ved Vejen. I finally found out how to comment on the nomination (as you will see from my support for your excellent ALT3). I kept getting this when I clicked on [edit] and then discovered there is an additional possibility under "( Review or comment • Article history )" which worked! Perhaps as you have worked in Denmark, your Danish is good enough for you to be able to read the original text of Ved Vejen. It's more like a long short story than a novel. Lots of short paragraphs, conversation and gripping sequences, some quite sensual. You can find the Danish text here or here. Unfortunately the English translation (Katinka translated by Tiina Nunnally) does not appear to be available online. --Ipigott (talk) 09:48, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Alas, I never lived in Denmark, just visited there on business trips to the company headquarters. So I never learned Danish, as everyone in the company spoke really good English. Even in traveling around, I had to go pretty far off the beaten track to find locals who didn't speak English ...  Wasted Time R (talk) 13:25, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Can you use this?
I am negotiating a couple of Springsteen-related photos; mainly for Nils Lofgren and Clarence Clemons (Clarence has a lot of photos but most IMHO are dreadful). I wondered if you would like to add this to the 2008 tour page, taken in Ontario: ? Obviously, it would require a rationale, etc., but I have seen such on other articles. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 11:01, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The photographer that I emailed has those two pics (Clemons, and Lofgren alongside Springsteen), and responded favorably to my first email. Today I sent the second email explaining how to remove copyright from the photos, and the two Creative Commons licenses that we accept. Normally, I ignore ticket stubs, but I was feeling nostalgic for my old buddy who worked really hard on the Snow Patrol article, (requesting a ticket stub from me) but soon dropped out of sight. Additionally, I knew you'd been editing the Springsteen tours. Nils Lofgren lived up the street from me but is far older than I am. I want to find more info, since his band, Grin played DC quite a lot. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 19:53, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Help! Alun Davies' image up for deletion!
See, this is the reason I totally dislike uploading anything requiring a justification notice!! See my talk page about the album cover for Alun Davies' only solo album, and the only clear shot we have of how he looks! In addition I see musician-biography albums scattered all over some articles, as with Motorhead and the like! Davies could have pursued a career of his own, and yet, instead, chose to continue only with Cat Stevens. (I always wondered if I could submit that fact for the DYK? display but I'm too afraid to try new things like that.) As a matter of fact, the same was true of starting an article, and I believe you are aware of each of those few, including that of Davies. You, and initially, User:Tvoz were the only other two that significantly had anything to do with the article, so I'm really worried here. I'm the photo fairy, yet after supplying over 2,000 free use images, can not find one of Davies at all, thus having to rely on what is there- the photo cover of Daydo and the also non-free strip of Sweet Thursday members from the old Cat Stevens fan site, which he now controls. Here is what was sent to me:

'''*A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Daydo.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. VernoWhitney (talk) 22:31, 4 February 2013 (UTC)''' Will you help? I fear I will screw up any attempt to save it. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 04:52, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Go East, Young Man
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 14:06, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Rolling Stone magazine
Need 2 know if an interview by the rolling stone magazine, works as a source for adding information to an article. //Only Love Can Heal Such A Scar// (talk) 15:24, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Please, Check
Check my last posts on Bono's talk. I think you might be interest. please. Love n' peace...//Only Love Can Heal Such A Scar// (talk) 17:32, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You still appear to be editing as "Ali Hewson" (Bono's wife) cloaked so as to appear as "Only Love Can Heal Such A Scar" when your user name is actually "Miss Bono" ???Theroadislong (talk) 20:11, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know how it happens. I made a request to change my username and it seems they didn't change it. What else can i do??. Sometimes it appear as Ali hewson and sometimes it does as MissBono. i need help from the administration of wikipedia. Can you do something for me???//Only Love Can Heal Such A Scar// (talk) 20:30, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You need to log into your new username of "Miss Bono" (with the space) using the password of your old username.  MBisanz  talk 22:51, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, both. The problems seems to be fixed.U2_Girl! (talk) 12:53, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Harold A. Lafount
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Hello
I left a message on Ali Hewson's Talk page. please reply to me. Sorry and thank you MissBono (talk) 13:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

LOGGIN PROBLEMS
Now i'm having some kind of Loggin trouble, it doesn't allow me to log in with my password or my username. need Some help, Please. MISS BONO 200.55.151.187 (talk) 15:54, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * This user is editing with two user names with good faith I'm sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ali_Hewson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Miss_Bono Can you assist her further?Theroadislong (talk) 14:08, 16 March 2013 (UTC)


 * She is thoroughly confused not only about how logins work but also about what WP is and is not. Unfortunately my WP time is very constrained these days so I cannot help sort things out.  Wasted Time R (talk) 14:28, 17 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know what this is about, but I want to stop having problems with this stuffs. The procedure is the same everytime I log in on Wikipedia, so i don't know what is going on. I don't mean to bother anyone but I want to fix this problem -which Theroadislong seems to see but i still haven't found what he means. Miss Bono (talk) 15:05, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * First, click "Log out" on the top right of the screen. Then click "Log in" on the top right of the screen.  For Username, make sure it says "Miss Bono", or if it is blank, type in "Miss Bono".  If it says "Ali Hewson", change it to "Miss Bono".  Then put in your password, then click "Log in".  If you go through that sequence, you will be logging in correctly.


 * As for what Wikipedia is and is not, read WP:NOT. Writing for Wikipedia is not like posting at a fan forum or contributing to IMDB.  It is more like writing a research paper or term paper in school (I am not sure what the equivalent phrase is in Cuba).  You have to enjoy investigating a subject, finding out more about it than you already know, writing your findings up in formal language, and then adding footnotes describing the sources you used.  And unlike in school, other people can then come along and change what you wrote!  It's not for everyone :-)  But if it's for you, then go for it.  Sometimes the best way to get started is to work on an article nobody else has paid much attention to.  With U2, that can be hard, since there are many established editors here who work on U2 articles.  But for example, Paul McGuinness is so important to U2's career that he has sometimes been called their "fifth member".  But the article on him says almost nothing about how he has managed U2 and what key decisions he made for their career and so forth.  Some of the song articles could use expansion, such as Gloria (U2 song).  Or whatever appeals to you ...  Wasted Time R (talk) 01:08, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. By the way, I'm not looking for to bother anyone here. I feel like I need an adopter. Would you help me on that? I'm not asking you to be my adopter-not because I don't want to, just because I know you don't have time for me- but if yyou coul help me to find an adopter for me, I will surely thankful for that. reply, please.Miss Bono (talk) 19:31, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You could go over the list at Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters and see who seems like a good match for you and then contact them directly. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

USERNAME ISSUE
It continues, is there a way of getting my account again without loosing my edits?? the problem remains and i don't know what else to do. This is a chaos and I just want to stop having problems.U2_Girl! (talk) 16:05, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I see you also have both usernames going in the Spanish Wikipedia. None of your edits as Ali Hewson will go away in either encyclopedia, you will always be able to see them in the History, but from now on you should just log in as Miss Bono and that only.  Wasted Time R (talk) 06:24, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I made a username change request at the Spanish Wikipedia, and now I log in as Miss Bono in both. I hope the problem's solved. Thanks for your time. Kind Regards.U2_Girl! (talk) 13:15, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * and now you are signing as U2_Girl! all very confusing.Theroadislong (talk) 13:50, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed that. What about now. Miss Bono (talk) 13:59, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes fixed...thank you.Theroadislong (talk) 14:12, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No, thank you for understand me and for reply even when I was annoying :). Where are the barnstars templates??Miss Bono (talk) 16:41, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

 * Thanks very much for the barnstar! Wasted Time R (talk) 11:14, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Editing
Can I post what you wrote?Miss Bono (talk) 12:35, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Ali Hewson's Talk
Check this out, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ali_Hewson#Accident. Thank you.Miss Bono (talk) 19:10, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks
I appreciate your kind words about my job on Morleigh Syeinberg's Article. Can I ask you some help at some point?? i'll start working in the 4th of July, I have my U2 by U2 with me. ;D  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Help
Hey! Hope you are fine. The other day you offered me your help with Morleigh Steinberg's article. I was wondering if there is a way to find some picture of herself. Reply on my Talk page. :D  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:53, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Morleigh Steinberg
need some help to orginize it. ;P...Thanks for the advise  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:12, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

U2 Barnstar

Take a Look
[]... this is what i am planning to do next. What do you think?? Can you give me some help?? Reply ASAP at my talk page. Best wishes and good morning  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  13:13, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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Another Thing To Do For Me
And i would appreciate your words..User:Miss_Bono/Eve_Hewson I am working on it in a sandbox before add the new information to the main article.  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  19:36, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your time. I'll do my best. Sorry if Morleigh Steinberg wasn't what you were expecting, I apologize.... Regards :D Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)


 * You must have misunderstood what I was saying below, because you have nothing to apologize for. Without your efforts, the article on Morleigh Steinberg would not exist!   Wasted Time R (talk) 12:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Your work on Morleigh Steinberg
Hello Wasted Time R,

I really must offer you deep and most sincere thanks for your work on this article. You have taken a rough, halfway decent start at an article, and expanded it and referenced it and polished it. Of course, it isn't perfect, but it is now a real biography. This is collaborative editing at its best, and it is a delight for me to see your contributions.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  02:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the kind words. As I alluded to on the talk page, I feel bad in that I kind of ran over what the two of you were doing, but I have tried to preserve Miss Bono's wording and approach where I could.  But once I get going, I keep going ... We now have the somewhat odd situation that this article (2072 words) is longer than The Edge article (1885 words), just like Ali Hewson (which I'm also responsible for, at 3617 words) is almost longer than Bono (3736 words).  But that's Wikipedia for you (and to be fair, material on Edge and Bono permeates all of the U2 articles, and is thus not restricted to the biographies).  Wasted Time R (talk) 03:08, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I need a favour in order to correct a vandalism at my talk page: here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Miss_Bono&diff=551917006&oldid=551915697

the part of She is an idiot. Thanks!  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:11, 24 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia, alas. Some editors take a weird sort of pride in this happening to them - there's even a User:UBX/vandalized userbox to count how many times one's page has been vandalized.  In any case, you have to keep a sense of perspective - Wikipedia is like many other parts of the Internet, and people will sometimes behave worse towards each other than they would in person-to-person interaction. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I think I am gonna quit Wikipedia then.  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

WP U2 New barnstar
Take a look and give us your opinion on the WP U2 discussion. Thanks  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  15:28, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Morleigh Steinberg
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Walls and Bridges
Hello Wasted Time R. Thanks for taking the time to review Walls and Bridges. Can I request the review be failed? Just so it'll give me more time to improve the article with several books and fix the current the issues at a more leisurely pace. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 22:40, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Question?
Can I ask you a question??? Miss Bono   (zootalk)  15:33, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Of course. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:03, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Seeing that you are a big help in U2 related articles, I just was wondering if you would like to join WP U2. Just wondering... Another question, this is more personal, feel free to answer or not: How old are you? I am 19.  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  18:11, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but I generally don't join WP projects ... I like the freedom to work on whatever I like, whenever I like, without ever feeling obligated. As for me, I'm 58.  A bit older than you!  I've been a fan of U2 since 1983, and I've seen them in concert 17 times, starting with the Unforgettable Fire Tour back in 1985.  The Zoo TV show is still the best concert experience I've ever seen by anybody.  Wasted Time R (talk) 12:25, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Wao!!!! I wish I could go to a U2 concert one day!!! But that´s just my imagination... I thought you were 20 years or something.. Miss Bono   (zootalk)  16:02, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Morleigh Steinberg
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Vaillancourt Fountain
Hi there,

You did such a great job improving Morleigh Steinberg. I was wondering if you might be willing to help with Vaillancourt Fountain, another U2 related article. Feel free to take it to DYK if you want, as I will be travelling a lot in the next 10 days. Thanks.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  17:24, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll see what I can do. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:03, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know in your edit summary that leaving out the city is OK if the city name is in the name of the newspaper. That makes sense in general. I wonder about Lewiston, Maine, though, since that isn't unambiguous. I may be thinking so because I have family roots within 50 miles of Lewiston, Idaho, going back over 130 years. Perhaps Portland might be an exception, too. And citing a newspaper in Miami, Ohio might be another. Your thoughts?  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  01:21, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess the location could be restored for the Lewiston paper. I've used it before as a source so I know it's the Maine one, but most people wouldn't.  By the way, the major thing that will need to be done for DYK is to re-license the two photos of the fountain.  It comes as a surprise to many (including me at first), but per WP:FOP, there is no freedom of panorama in the U.S. for sculptures or other outdoor works of art, only buildings.  Thus, the use of one of the images in the Armand Vaillancourt article is not permissible, regardless of the license used at Commons.  For this article, however, since it's on the work itself, the images can be used under a fair use license.  The top photos in Cloud Gate (FA) and Michael Jordan statue (GA) are examples of how this has been done.  Wasted Time R (talk) 02:06, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Does that restriction still apply if the main subject of the photo is something else, and the public artwork is in the background? I ask because my son took a photo of me in front of the fountain today, which I was thinking of adding to my user page.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  03:00, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Both the background nature and the user page instead of article space could make a difference, but I don't know for sure. You'd have to ask at one of the pages where image use is discussed. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:03, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for International Conference on Hollywoodism
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DYK for Vaillancourt Fountain
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You got 2 messages
Here and here Please, take a look at them. <span style="font-family:'Domestic Manners',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  17:56, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

USS Ferret (1922)
'Wasted Time R', thank you for your time and effort with the DYK evaluation of the USS Ferret (1822) article. -- Special thanks for bringing those two (beautiful) maps to my attention -- I had a difficult time deciding which one to use, so I used (displayed) one in among the text and linked to the other in 'See also'. Again, many thanks! -- Gwillhickers (talk) 15:56, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. I saw on your talk page that someone thought the review was too demanding, but I don't believe in that notion.  DYK's go up on the main page and should be as good as possible.  And I'm always happy for articles of mine to get thorough reviews at any stage ...  Wasted Time R (talk) 21:38, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Michelle Nunn
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Morleigh Steinberg
I added two fact tags. After those are done, on to rest of GA Review, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 20:18, 14 June 2013 (UTC) Thank you. Cirt <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive">  Miss Bono    (zootalk)  20:24, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Morleigh Steinberg

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Lauryn Hill GAN
Hello,

Thank you for beginning the GA review; I was just wondering whether you preferred that I addressed your comments on the same line or below? I usually go through and tag them as ✅, but I know some reviewers prefer to keep all of their comments in one place and the responses below. Regards. —JennKR | ☎ 15:56, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've integrated them before I get confused what I have/haven't done. If this is a problem/you'd prefer my responses below then drop me a talk page note :-) —JennKR | ☎ 19:23, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What you have is fine with me. Wasted Time R (talk) 20:54, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

GAR
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Hillary Clinton move review
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Talkback
Prabash. Akmeemana   11:23, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

<span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk) ☆ 13:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Message and help
Did you get my message?? Can you help?<span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Ms.Bono  (zootalk) ☆ 13:26, 26 June 2013 (UTC) <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Ms.Bono  (zootalk) ☆ 20:24, 28 June 2013 (UTC) Thanks for your message. I am going to split the history section but what should be the header for both??<span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Ms.Bono  (zootalk) ☆ 20:24, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * can you help in the part of the references?? I am not good enough with that, and with the atu2 stuff, I don't have internet access. Thanks!<span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Ms.Bono  (zootalk) ☆ 20:26, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the part of copyvio is fixed now. Soni did the job :) <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Ms.Bono  (zootalk) ☆ 20:27, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Dead links
Hello, WTR! I've saw EDUN has a couple of dead link, I still don't get what that's about, so, can you fix them?? <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Ms.Bono  (zootalk) ☆ 12:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Also, there is another thing. As you might have seen, I am not good enough re writing things, a couple of days ago, I asked User: Dennis Brown to check Ali Hewson to see how much I have to work to get it into FA, he said this and this User_talk:Dennis_Brown. I was thinking you could help me with the copyvio issue, since you were the one who expand it so much. Thanks. Oh, and Happy 4th of July! :) <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive">  Ms.Bono  (zootalk) ☆ 12:29, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

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Miseducation 19m claim
Is this BBC News source okay for a 19m sales claim? —JennKR | ☎ 14:47, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Christgau & Lauryn Hill
Hey, I was looking at the Pazz & Jop Poll which led me to Robert Christgau and his reviews, and I was wondering since you knew about the former, whether you knew anything about Christgau's rating system (ignore this if you don't)? He gives The Miseducation a ** (two-star honourable mention) and MTV Live Unplugged 2.0 a D- (see here). But what does the former translate into? Is a two-star honourable mention equivalent to an A? Or a B? Or less than both? His post-90s rating system is quite confusing. Regards. —JennKR | ☎ 12:34, 13 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I think it's an alternate rating system for albums he does shorter reviews for. So it doesn't directly translate into the letter grades?  I dunno - Christgau has always been very idiosyncratic.  Wasted Time R (talk) 13:11, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

ONE Campaign
Hi WT,
 * I was taking a look into some WP:U2 B-Class articles and found this ONE Campaign. I think, the section named Controversy should be re-named (as you said with a section in Edun), but my english doesn't get that far. I also was thinking about getting it into GA-Class, what do you think? I strongly would appreciate your help. Thanks in advance. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk] ☆ 14:33, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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Input Requested
Good afternoon Wasted Time R,

I hope this finds you well. I have recently nominated Thaddeus McCotter presidential campaign, 2012 for featured article status. Due to your prolific contributions to similar articles, I respectfully request your input into the review. Thanks. --William S. Saturn (talk) 18:36, 26 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your comments on the page. Please let me know if you'd like for me to review any article you nominate in the future.--William S. Saturn (talk) 01:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Vaillancourt Fountain
Hi WT,
 * I was reading the talk page of the article and it is a almost ready fr GA, still needs sources and citation for the Location section. Do you think that you can find something for it? Thanks in advance! :) <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  13:06, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

User:24.143.224.15
This user seems to be changing a number of coorporate sites. Including some that are questionable or wrong. Since you are a much more experienced editor than I am what would be the appropriate action to take for this User. It is a dynamic IP address. Should they be reported should I just go through each of their edits and check them based on the merits (long time commitiment) or something else. VViking Talk Edits 11:06, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Bono
I left a message there, please, do you think you can help?<span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive">  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  12:56, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Talk:WBSC (AM)/GA1
Could you give me one of the WP:GACR lists of things that need worked on and put this GAN on delay for 7 days so I can made the needed changes? Thanks. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 02:11, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify why the "Falling silent" section covers more than the other two sections combined is, sadly, there is more about the station falling silent than the station signing on. For some stations KDKA (AM) and WWJ (AM), you can find out a year-by-year history of a station, but stations like WBSC you get what is available.  I can update the format of the station, with the sources I have available.  I can take out the Arbitron link at the bottom, that's no problem.  It's part of the standard set of three links at the bottom of each page, but you are right, when the station goes off the air, the Arbitron link isn't needed. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 02:15, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't put it on hold because it shouldn't have been put up in the first place and because you shouldn't be rushed to do the missing work in seven days. To do a good job on this station's full history is going to take some effort.  You're going to have to go back in time and find old South Carolina newspapers, which takes time and a little money to pay for archived news stories.  You might call a local library in the area and see what they have in terms of locally-produced books or clip files.  You can always put it back up for GAN down the road, with no prejudice attached for having failed earlier.  Wasted Time R (talk) 02:25, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought in the short time I had that I did a pretty good job. :) Being that I am in Virginia and the station is in central South Carolina, I don't think I will be able to visit any of the libraries.  We found very little in old newspaper coverage for the station, but that's kinda typical.  Old newspapers just aren't being digitized, which kinda sucks. :( - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 02:30, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You had a short time to defend the article at AfD, but that doesn't mean you have to put it up for GA the same day that it was ruled a keep! There's a huge gap between "deserves to exist" and "deserves to be GA".  Most of the articles I've put up for GA, I have worked on for a year or more beforehand.  This is not a race!  If there isn't enough source material online to ever get this article to be comprehensive, then it won't be GA anytime soon.  That's okay - there's no rule that says every subject can reach GA - sometimes just not enough is known.  But, next time you're in South Carolina, stop by some libraries and talk to the reference librarians and look at their old microfilm and maybe you'll find some good material and build up the article that way.  Again, it's not a race ...   Wasted Time R (talk) 02:45, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I never said it was a race, I just thought I did a good job. I doubt I will ever be in SC anytime soon.  I don't have a driver's license (I have Asperger's) and the docs here in Virginia don't like to give driver's licenses to people who have a "mental illness".  So, SC is probably never gonna happen.


 * I was, however, able to dig through some of my sources and find more about the station's formats. I don't think I will be able to find anything about the ratings as they are only allowed to go back 2 years, per Arbitron.  If you want the ratings books for a time period, they are about $300.00....each.  A bit out of my price range.  I'm going to give a look-see to the TV stations in the area and see if they reported on the closure of the station.  I won't hold my breath though. :) - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 03:54, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Second opinion for Lauryn Hill
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Boesch GA Review finally ready
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B4 you leave...
Would you mind taking a look to the notes I left on the Talk Page of Ali hewson? Thanks!<span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  12:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * Looks like Biden only hits 800,000:


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Million award

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Half million award
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Your revert: avoid links within quotes
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I stand by my edit of Tony_Bennett "If you study the masters – Picasso, Jack Benny, Fred Astaire – right up to the day they died, they were performing. If you are creative, you get busier as you get older." as the wikilinks provide links to the relevant articles where Bennett's assertion can be verified by the interested reader. Such verification is outside the scope of Bennett's article so such links would not be available outside the quote. What LINKSTYLE recommends is thus not really relevant in this case. What say you? [ 11:45]--DadaNeem (talk) 20:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I've changed it to move the links outside the quote. Links inside are best avoided because they alter the speaker's original meaning - who knows if the Wikipedia article on Jack Benny accurately reflects what Bennett was thinking of when he said this.  Wasted Time R (talk) 12:24, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Good compromise-thanks for responding in such a timely & reasonable manner (& signing for me!).--DadaNeem (talk) 20:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

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Wasted, do you have any thoughts or plans re. 2016 possibilities?Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * You mean, for the third cycle in a row will I correctly figure out who the Republican nominee will be and do GA/FA work on that person's BLP well in advance? Hmm.  Isn't it a little early?  Like, Obama's second term began only seven and a half months ago ... Actually, I think Christie, Paul the younger, and Ted Cruz will be the big three, with others either not running or falling to the wayside early.  Until a couple of weeks ago I thought Cruz would be the nominee, but now he's got birther baggage, so I'm less sure.  In any case, my WP time is pretty constrained these days, so I'm not starting any big new efforts ...  Wasted Time R (talk) 00:58, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, the last FA episode was a bit last-minute if you ask me. Hopefully, you didn't find another interactive web site!  I'm kind of busy with real life too, but lately have been cleaning up the Chris Christie article a bit.  Anyway, take care.  Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:23, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That article needs more than a bit of cleaning. It reminds me of the Rudy Giuliani article c. 2006–07 ... clearly written by people who loathe the subject.  At one point about five paragraphs in a row begin with some form of "Christie was criticized for ..."  Nowhere does it explain how Christie won election in a blue state, or why he has stayed popular there.  No coverage of his actions in New Jersey in response to Sandy, just the federal politics of it.  Even the mention of Bruce is quite inadequate.  Worst of all, the article completely fails to capture the Christie political persona, which, for better or worse, is quite distinctive.    Wasted Time R (talk) 12:19, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I am just about to get to the five paragraphs in a row, but first wanted to study "deferred prosecution", and expand upon the deferred prosecution article.  I added the first mention of Bruce yesterday.  I do not claim that I could do nearly as good a job as you could on this article, you being in NJ and all.  You would also have the distinct advantage of being very unlikely to have your motives questioned, given your work on the Hillary article.  But I understand that other interactive web sites may be more fun.  :-) Anythingyouwant (talk) 12:34, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Whatever other sites you think you see me at, you're mistaken, I sink almost all of my Internet time here. The point with Bruce is that Christie is a real fanatic, having been to 120–130 shows, but Bruce gave him the complete cold shoulder due to their being on opposite sides of the political fence.  Until Sandy, after which Bruce finally relented and Christie got overcome with emotion.  See here and here and here.   Wasted Time R (talk) 01:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You said you were busy, so I speculated that you were cheating on us. Seriously, thanks for the Springsteen info.  I kind of gathered that that was the story.Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:33, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

New Discussion
Please, join this discussion :D Thanks. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  13:26, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Recent edits on Adam Clayton
Hello, WT,

Someone added a line in the article stating that Adam got married yesterday. Can you find a reference for it, if not... how can anyone knows that to put it in his article?? <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  16:02, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I have something to ask
Would you consider participating here? You have made great contributions to U2 related article, mainly Ali's. Thanks.

<span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  16:49, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Technical terms in lead
I think these are sensible guidelines:

Per WP:Leadlink: "In technical articles that use uncommon terms, a higher-than-usual link density in the lead section may be necessary. In such cases, try to provide an informal explanation in the lead, avoiding using too many technical terms until later in the article...."

Per WP:MOSINTRO: "Where uncommon terms are essential, they should be placed in context, linked and briefly defined."

So, thanks for including an explanation of smart power in the lead, though you really went overboard: "She viewed 'smart power' as the strategy for asserting U.S. leadership and values, by combining military strength with American capabilities in economics, aid, technology, creativity, and human rights advocacy." Maybe we should also include how she loves rainbows and lollipops, and favors fresh air and music. :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:25, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Generally speaking
Your comment about the Condi article prompts me to ask this: to what extent do you think Wikipedia is used as a propaganda tool, and what can or should be done about it? My own view is that much could be done, but will not be done, because the problems are largely systemic and by design.Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think there is a lot of organized slanted editing by political entities, if that's what you mean. I think most political articles are legitimately written by regular folks, but the domain expertise and writing abilities and editorial fairness of those regular folks vary quite widely.  Looking at the top editors of the Condi article, I'm not familiar with any of them, so I don't know how it got this way.  The article used to be heavily edited - just looking at 2009 there was lots of daily activity - but currently a month can go by with nothing.  Nowadays, with many fewer editors than in the past, the major determinant of what any article looks like is whether one of the star collector types (who go for DYK, GA, FA, TFA) gets interested in a subject and redoes it from the bottom up.  Wasted Time R (talk) 00:43, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that the political entities seem to have sufficient good sense to stay away. And that regular folks do most editing.  And that articles are often crappy until a star collector gets going.  My main concern is that the crowd of regular folks is often winnowed down by administrator action, the process of selecting administrators involves a very small portion of all the editors, and a lot of subtle discrimination happens at the hands of the admins.  Honestly.Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:53, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * My own experience has been the opposite – I believe admins generally do a good job and I've never had any significant run-ins with them. From what I've seen of the RfA process it seems pretty good, and of the candidates I had doubts about, all got rejected.   Wasted Time R (talk) 01:35, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Well that's encouraging. Still, I'm concerned that ArbCom has no real check on their power, and really don't have time to do their job well even assuming they want to.  I made an extremely rare appearance at the Jimbo Wales talk page to urge a jury-like system to kind of give some relief to ArbCom, and diffuse the power somewhat.  Have you had the pleasure of following an ArbCom case?Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:41, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Rudy Boesch
I understand we have a difference of opinion. In the interest of progress, please pass or fail this GA nomination. Chris Troutman ( talk ) 04:58, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Ali Hewson for FA
Hello Wasted Time,
 * As you are the person who researched and wrote the article, I kindly suggest you to give a look at the other comment made by RomanSpa about changing the lead section of the article.
 * As for the Daily Mirror and Daily Time, it was my fault I freaked out when I saw the comment and I aked Theroadislong for help. Mea culpa. Sorry!
 * Another thing, I would put you as a nominator too, but as this is my first time nominating something and I am not familiar with the process I didn't know how to add your name. Please accept my apologies.
 * <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  12:25, 3 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Important message at the FA review for Ali. Please take a look. It could fail. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  16:48, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

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John McCain
As long as McCain has publicly acknowledged his religious affiliation he should be in that category. We have agreed that where someone received their education, even their high school education, is defining to them. On the awards categories, I would say all the non-US ones should be scrpaped as not defining to him at all. Categories like Jeopardy contesteants are really supposed to be for people notable for that. It would probably be best to discuss much of this at the McCain talk page.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:50, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * On the other hand you might want to weigh in on the current CfD discussion about the Jeopardy category. It was responses to my intial comments there that convinced me McCain should be removed from the category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:54, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

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FA issue
Hello, I hope you are doing great. I just wanted to ask you something; have you heard anything else on the FA process for Ali Hewson article? Thanks. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  16:57, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tunnel of Love Express Tour
The article Tunnel of Love Express Tour you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Tunnel of Love Express Tour for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Khazar2 -- 23:12, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Despite the above result, just wanted to reiterate that I do appreciate your work on the article; if you renominate this at some point in the future, I'd be glad to put in a plug at WT:GAN to ask that it doesn't have a similar wait time. -- Khazar2 (talk) 23:33, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Copyediting
Hello, I nominated 4 (Beyoncé Knowles album) for FA status last month and although it seems to be comprehensive enough, there are some minor prose errors that I'm terrible at spotting and would like to iron out. I remembered you were quite strong at copy-editing from the Lauryn Hill GA candidacy and was wondering whether you could take a look at the article? Of course, if you're busy on here or in RL or not interested in the subject matter then there's no pressure to do so! Regards. —JennKR | ☎ 18:37, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Continuing Appropriations Act, 2014
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Million Award
Looks like we owe you yet another one of these, your fourth; you're now moving into elite company as one of the most-read Wikipedians of all time! Thanks as always for all you do--there's not many writers anywhere on earth who can say that their work will be read by more than 4 6.5 million people this year. Almost forgot your half millions... -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:43, 14 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind words. Of course, those other writers get their name attached to their work and don't have it rewritten by random people walking by :-)  But that's the big tradeoff that we all know and have (more or less) made peace with ...   Wasted Time R (talk) 13:42, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it really is weird. I was a professional writer and writing teacher before the combination of my illness and my daughter's birth forced me to retire (the daughter part makes it a pretty good trade-off); I even wrote some articles for print encyclopedias. Now that I'm "retired", though, my work is being read by orders of magnitude more readers, but nobody knows it. Wikipedia is a very strange beast! -- Khazar2 (talk) 13:50, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Mitt Romney
Just a comment from a passer-by. Just trying to be helpful.

In reference to. I agree with Cwobell in that the information about "lost to Barack Obama" should be kept, it keeps the historical context. It's also strange to mention the nomination, but not what happened with the nomination.

However, the "but" could sound to some people as "ha, ha, he lost". It could be rewritten so that: Just using different words, or a different structure to the sentence. --Enric Naval (talk) 18:13, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * the information "lost to Barack Obama" is preserved
 * it doesn't sound offensive to some people


 * I was leaving a comment below this, but thought I'd give input as well (forgive me in advance for my insertion). What about "He eventually conceded to BO" or "However, BO won the election/nomination" instead, etc.? I agree that "but lost" is negative and may not be neutral, although that type of verbiage is used throughout Wikipedia. I looked at other nominees in the past (ie. Mondale) and words like "was defeated by so-and-so" or "so-and-so was chosen by voters instead" type of wording. However, others also use the words "lost" or "but lost" such as George WH Bush and John McCain articles. I'm sure other articles do as well, but those are two I looked at recently. Maybe across the board it needs to be left that way or changed/improved on all related articles... (?) Best wishes! :) P.s. I was thinking there was a pattern of Republican defeats using "but lost", however, Jimmy Carter's article also uses "but lost". But then again, it was to Reagan. (smile) Jk. 74.62.92.20 (talk) 06:21, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Rod Stewart
Thank you for your input, contributions and response(s) on the RS article/talk page. I respect and appreciate editors who want to work together to resolve a dispute in an appropriate manner for the improvement of an article. Keep up the good work, take care! :) 74.62.92.20 (talk) 06:06, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

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