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DYK for Tony Bennett at the Talk of the Town
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Fits nicely! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you today for Hillary Clinton, "American Secretary of State, Senator, First Lady, and once and possibly future presidential candidate"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:50, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Six years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Puffy AmiYumi tours for deletion
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hey
Didn't notice you had snuck back in! I don't know about you, but I just don't have the heart to work on the one or the stomach to work on the other. Good to see you though! Tvoz / talk 20:43, 9 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, to the extent I'm here at all I'm kind of focusing on more obscure things now. I'm not even qualified to write on what I used to – for the first three months I couldn't bear to look at the news at all, and now I'm just reading a few stories in the paper, nothing on radio or tv – too visceral an impact.  The only political article I've had any real interest in is Impeachment process against Richard Nixon, for reasons that don't need much explaining ...   Wasted Time R (talk) 01:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC)


 * With you on that. Tvoz / talk 02:23, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Questions Regarding Early Presidential Primaries (1940 and Back)

 * I've been working collecting data on the results for the Democratic Presidential caucuses or state conventions that were held in earlier years, 1940 being the starting point given I was interested at the time in the Anti-Third Term movement that had sprung up then, and while I can't access all the data in question anyway (I'm using the New York Times as a source, but I'm not a subscriber and so can't look at the articles in detail), I've provided them in the talk pages. Having gotten down to 1928 now, however, I'm not certain how best to display the information given, and I'm not sure if there really is a precedent(s) for it given the operational differences between the Modern Primary and the more Archaic Primary of yesteryear. For example;


 * 1) In 1928 Al Smith clearly won the Democratic Presidential Preference Primary in Ohio over Senator Atlee Pomerene, but the latter was awarded the entirety of the delegation. The situation in question is in an article I provided on the talk page for the '28 Democratic Primaries, but when you have delegates not being bound or awarded based on the results of a Primary, should that be counted as a separate contest? How should we display that on a map? Should one be given preference?
 * 2) Depending on the year in question you either end up with a handful, none, or a whole slew of favorite-son candidates ready to represent State delegations, and these candidates technically have "won" delegates. However in some cases, like those I identified for the 1968 Republican nomination race, are far more than the infobox could possibly handle when combined with the actual candidates (even if we are just talking about candidates and favorite sons that won delegates, that would make 17). Should we give preference based on delegates won? On actual candidates vs. Favorite Sons? What about if they've withdrawn and endorsed a candidate? Should Favorite Sons be combined somehow (for map and infobox purposes) and explained separately in another section?
 * 3) In a number of the Presidential Primaries and even Caucuses I have encountered language that the delegates in question are officially unpledged or uninstructed, but have a strong preference or are generally understood for being for a certain candidate. Under those conditions, should those delegations be considered Unpledged, or should they be considered as being for the candidate? Should the votes of those delegations be included in a candidate's vote total?
 * These are the major questions at the moment. I'll also be asking a few others Presidential Elections Wikiproject as well to chime in, so if you have any ideas on how best I should proceed, I'd ask that the responses be put into Talk:Democratic Party presidential primaries, 1932. Thanks ahead of time. --Ariostos (talk) 03:17, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for getting back to me. Now, I do wish that I did have the money available to subscribe to the New York Times, but I'm at that awkward point where I'm attending College and only working odd jobs for the most part, stuck in the parent's basement for the time being (literally). In terms of priorities of how best to apportion the money I do have on hand, it isn't far up there. Should I happen to somehow make a fair bit more though and so have disposable cash on hand, I'll consider subscribing to the Times. Now I'm familiar with the problems associated with the map and results for the 1972 Democratic Primaries (and the Chisholm section; nice work by the way), hell I think I made the present horrid abomination of a map that is being used, and I believe (and indeed have considered) the method used for displaying the 2012 Republican Primary results as being the best option going forward. The problem with this however is that I was hoping to establish some kind of consensus, fearing that major changes unilaterally would be redacted in the future for not following consensus, and the last couple times I've tried to bring matter to the Project they've fallen flat. I might do it again anyway though, as it would be better the effort is made then not in the long run, and for documentation purposes. In the case of contests won, I really don't think there is a good solution beyond counting Primaries and Caucuses, real or not, whilst giving preference to delegates won. It becomes a bit difficult to properly tabulate a result when with, say, the 1932 New Hampshire Democratic Primary the slate as a whole is Uncommitted, but you have Pro-Roosevelt folk and Pro-Smith folk both jockeying for votes to get onto that slate; how do get that across within the given guidelines? Anyway, thanks for getting back to me. --Ariostos (talk) 23:47, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, that's what I thought in regards to the Times; unfortunately it seems that North Shore Community's access only goes back as far as 1980 (though they admitted they once had total access), and the Public Library here in Wakefield is in a similar situation. I don't know, I'll think of something in the short-term, though long-term I may well just end up subscribing to the Times.
 * I do agree that the labeling of these contests as Presidential Primaries is a bit of a misnomer given how few there were, and fewer still that actually allocated delegates based on their results, and a change in the titling of the article should be in the cards as well as the opening.
 * Contests won I believe used to be States won, but then people were reminded that you had some territories and commonwealths in the mix, as well as some States having multiple contests in selecting their delegates (such as Texas for the Democrats in '88 and '08), leading to the present term which I believe is essentially just "Primaries+Caucuses Won". That can just be converted to including State Conventions (if it doesn't already). As for favorite sons, well, I'd argue we should just consider them the same as other candidates, though with the caveat that they were principally a "favorite son"; the only caveat to that however would be if the delegation was technically Unpledged but strongly favored a candidate, in which case I would have the candidate not having won the contest, but still having won the delegation (as soft delegates). It's far from perfect, but it's the best method I can think of in terms of accounting for what was on the ballot and what the delegates and newspapers were saying.
 * In light of this I'm going to be creating a new table/format for the Primaries and State Conventions, concentrating far less visually on the results of the contests and more on the contests themselves, while also trying to attribute delegates won where I can. Only problem at the moment is trying to determine how best to display in this new table those State Conventions that selected uninstructed delegates that strongly favored a particular candidate; liable to just be yet another caveat under the Uninstructed label. --Ariostos (talk) 17:04, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright, so this is what the new results box I made is going to look like, with examples of what the various types of contests are going to look like.
 * Do you think there is anything I should change, or is it fine as is? --Ariostos (talk) 20:14, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Electrada
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DYK for Electrada
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DYK for Hughes Dynamics
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Donald Trump the Republican presumptive nominee
I believe you were the first editor of Mitt Romney's 2016 anti-Trump speech to use the word "presumptive". I invite you to add any comment you may have on a discussion at Talk:Attempted assassination of Donald Trump. —Anomalocaris (talk) 03:09, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


 * this is one of the reasons I've pretty much stopped working on current political articles – the having to go through hoops to use a simple and accurate phrase or term or word in an article that no journalist or scholar would object to. Wasted Time R (talk) 10:25, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I understand. Attempted assassination of Donald Trump isn't a current political event; it happened June 18, 2016, and is not much discussed today. As it happens, for this article, we have an editor who hasn't accepted facts, but will accept what other Wikipedians say. There are dozens of articles that acknowledge that on or about May 3, 2016, Donald Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, but for some reason this particular editor is fighting it at Attempted assassination of Donald Trump.

DYK for Informatics General
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Nomination of Campaigns and Elections for deletion
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DYK for Trapped (Jimmy Cliff song)
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DYK for Bob Wills Is Still the King
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DYK for Los Angeles Times–Washington Post News Service
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WT
Hi WTR, I hope you’re well. I came across a blog thread about you, sort of. It’s very unreliable, of course:

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2017/11/so-much-wasted-time.html?m=1

Cheers.&#32;Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:38, 25 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sending this, it was interesting to read and wise in places. I did see Cassidy's last words in the news.  One of the Althouse commenters picked up on the Eagles song, but no one there thought of WP editing as a possible prime example.  I still do some researching and writing on various topics here but a lot less than in the past and I'm certainly retired from current contentious political articles.  Was all the effort I put in the past on those wasted?  Partly yes, partly no, but what the ratio is is hard to say.  I see you're still battling away on those ... if it makes you feel any better, no one's vote in Alabama is going to be changed by what a WP lede says – they probably think WP is fake news and read Conservapedia instead, where nary a troubling thought ever needs to be encountered.  Did you know that "Simply put, E=mc² is liberal claptrap"?  People will believe that they want to believe.  Wasted Time R (talk) 12:46, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * No, Wikipedia wasn’t mentioned at that Althouse blog post, but there was this: “So much wasted time, so little browsing the internet.” Ha ha.  Maybe we’ve wasted time by not editing Wikipedia enough?  :-)  More likely we’ve spent too much time at it.  That’s funny about Conservapedia and E=mc², though I certainly agree that it would be nice if that equation would not operate so well in, say, North Korea.  As is my wont, I will also defend them a very little bit on this, by saying that both classical electrodynamics and quantum electrodynamics both run into problems describing the self-energy of a point-electron, and so the definition of electromagnetic energy-momentum may well be wrong in both theories, so we really don’t have a very good grasp of what the “E” in E=mc² means.  But I will not go farther than that in defending them on this!  :-)  Cheers.&#32;Anythingyouwant (talk) 16:28, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Physicists are always in the market for deeper understanding, but the Conservapedia folks are solely in the market for convincing themselves that the only things worth knowing were known 5,000 years ago. As for the Internet, I've found the most satisfaction on WP when I've been able to cite things that aren't on it.  Call me old school ...   Wasted Time R (talk) 17:59, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * You’re old school. Me too, I hope.  I hardly ever look at Conservapedia, so you may well be correct.&#32;Anythingyouwant (talk) 18:01, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Bartell Group
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DYK for Paul Y. Hammond
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DYK for First Day Hikes
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DYK for Unix System Laboratories
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John McCain
It has been a decade since this page was today's featured article. I am new to FAs. If we did a FAR and improved the article back to FA standards (which I believe it fails now), do you think we could nominate it for TFA on January 3 (his birthday). What is the qualification for a second TFA or "double header".--- Coffee  and crumbs  16:15, 26 August 2018 (UTC)


 * In the past I've had the impression that the TFA people are reluctant to put up the same article more than once, but I'm several years removed from the FA nominations world (nowadays I do DYK's a lot but nothing further) so I don't really know. As for article standards, any FA article will slowly degrade from meeting those standards if it loses a main editor(s) who is driven to maintain them, which this one did around 2015 or so (as I explained in the talk page there). If someone is willing to do the grungy work to bring an article back up to full standards, that is of value, even if the article doesn't become the TFA again. Wasted Time R (talk) 17:55, 26 August 2018 (UTC)


 * On that subject I noticed that you created the voting record chart on that page. I was wondering if we could update that with more recent data and format it so it doesn't look like it came out of Excel 2003 with the default settings. I can do it if you want, but it would be helpful if you sent me the old Excel file so I don't have to track down all the data again. ~Awilley (talk) 17:46, 26 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I have updated the voting chart image for the 2016 ACU and ADA and the 2017 ACU scores ... unfortunately the 2017 ADA ratings are not out yet (every year ADA takes a ridiculously long time to publish them, not sure why). But the chart still looks the same in terms of style.  If you would like to make it better looking/more modern, that's fine, I will be happy to send you my Excel file.  It looks like Wikipedia email does not support attachments, so if you send a Wikipedia email to me, I can respond to it with my regular email and attach the file.  Wasted Time R (talk) 18:48, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

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Barney Gottstein
Barney Gottstein died today. Some oldtimers in the Alaska Democratic Party, when I've brought up Mike Gravel's name in conversation in the past, have attempted to dismiss his contributions with statements to the effect of "Mike Gravel was nothing more than the frontman for Larry Carr and Barney Gottstein in their attempt to take over the state Democratic Party". I have copies of some newspaper stories from the 1964 state House campaign, where Carr's father and father-in-law were elected along with Gravel. Curiously, Pop Carr and Homer Moseley had nearly identical-looking promotional materials for their campaigns, but Gravel didn't. Anyway, just wondering if you had anything in your collection of sources related to Gravel which would suffice to create an article on Gottstein. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions  23:00, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


 * No, I don't know anything extra about Gottstein. The Carrs-Safeway article has a little biographical coverage of him, but more on the Carr family.  The Gravel article should really mention Gottstein a bit more, including their falling out over the Saudi Arabia F-15 fighter sale issue in 1978; I'll try to get to it.  As for Gravel being a frontman for anyone, that's kind of amusing – he's too idiosyncratic/egotistical/individualistic for that – which is also why party regulars probably don't remember him too fondly.  As for an article on Gottstein, if you have access to Newspapers.com, there are dozens of newspapers stories there that mention him, and a Google Books search shows a number of useful hits too.  So I think you could do it.  Wasted Time R (talk) 10:38, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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Waving
Hey! Passing through, came across your name. I'm still keeping half or maybe quarter of an eye on some of our mutual works, but not like the good old days. Hope all's well. Best Tvoz / talk 18:48, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, doing okay. Your half or quarter is more than me – the big articles in question are off my watchlist (I'm of the 'better not to know' school).  Yes, definitely not like the old days ...   Wasted Time R (talk) 11:39, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

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