User talk:Waya sahoni/Archive 2

Archive Creation
[Waya sahoni]. I hope you didn't mind but I created an archive for your talkpage. Everything that was on the original talkpage is on the above link. I felt, that you like I, should have a clean page to work from as of today. I've updated mine and the talkpage at Cherokee society. --Bookofsecrets 18:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Minor adjustment made
I fixed your cherokee language userbox. It didn't look right with the three little boxes in place of the chr. --Bookofsecrets 06:02, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Bumpus, thanks but it was fine before. The strange characters are the Sequoyah Cherokee Syllabary. Waya sahoni 02:45, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Wa-do. I did not know this. I surely need to learn, don't I? lol   --Bookofsecrets 13:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Hoping All Is Well
You've been very quite in the last day or so. I hope everything is okay. --Bookofsecrets 14:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

O-si-yo
O-si-yo Waya sahoni. I would like to ask you to assist me here. Rebelguys2 has put the photo of former Chief Joe Byrd and the photo on my userpage Indianprayer up for deletion. I have corrected the issue with the Joe Byrd picture, and I'm trying to get him to understand that Clint Shy sends out these wonderful photo's to share with everyone and for everyone to share freely. Could you please look into this for me? --Bookofsecrets 03:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I've go the photos of Joe Byrd's security force boarding up the courthouse, beating Cherokee citizens, holding the judges at gunpoint and evicting them from the Courthouse, and photos of the SWAT teams and helicopters at the Cherokee National Holiday. Let's put those up instead. :-) Waya sahoni 05:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Image Use by Bookofsecrets
If you created an article for personal use, even just one, it would get deleted. It's no different for images - we don't keep unencyclopedic and unnecessary ones. I'm not saying its a bad picture, but Wikipedia is not a place to build your own webpage and store personal images, minus those explicitly allowed by guidelines. I'm sure there are many pointless images still out, floating around somewhere; however, I'm sure there are just as many pointless articles &mdash; all of which should be deleted. But, though I'm sympathetic to Bumpus's argument, I really don't want to use that as an excuse for me to overlook something just because the problem is rampant. &mdash; Rebelguys2 talk 05:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and as for the photo of Joe Byrd: the existing one will probably be okay if there is a fair use rationale; it's a good shot of him. I'll be able to tag the image with the correct copyright and fair use tag, but I'm waiting for Bumpus to respond with more information. I'm wary of the possiblility that he altered the image to remove the source caption, which would be illegal. We need more source information to license the image correctly. &mdash; Rebelguys2 talk 05:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

The image appears to be a Cherokee Nation Official Photo, and if so, it's probably OK, but he still needs to tell us where it came from. Also, I have the photos of the Civil War and we should review these and determine if they should be here also. They are not copyighted and were taken by law enforcement and published in Cherokee Nation campaign documents. Waya sahoni 05:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * A "Cherokee Nation Official Photo" would undoubtedly not be a free image, unless they released it. As a result, we should cite the source and tag the image as fair use, making sure it meets all of the criteria listed here: WP:FU. As for the Civil War photos, they're public domain in the United States and most everywhere else because of age and the fact that they were taken by an (American?) governmental body. &mdash; Rebelguys2 talk 05:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait &mdash; is the Cherokee Nation considered a governmental body in terms of public domain release? Regardless, the old version made it look like it came from a media source. &mdash; Rebelguys2 talk 06:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, Bumpus's edit summary notes that the image is from MSNBC, which can get ugly if he happened to alter it. &mdash; Rebelguys2 talk 06:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I did alter the photo to remove the organization info. I did not know this wasn't allowed by law.  I have deleted it from the article.  --Bookofsecrets 11:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)