User talk:Waya sahoni/Archive 6

Photos at Joe Byrd
Hi Waya sahoni, I am not a copyright lawyer, though I do spend some of my time dealing with copyright issues. Based upon what you told me at my talk page, I think the photos may be usable, but the whole pages from the publication probably are not. Here is my thinking, based upon the points you left for me:
 * 1) You said: The publication was a public Cherokee Nation Election Circular mailed out to all Citizens. - I don't think the Cherokee Nation disavows copyright for works produced by the nation. I'm not sure about this.  Some governments, like the US Federal govt does, but other governments, such as the state of Texas, do not.
 * 2) You said: This mailer was passed out free in all the communities like the ThriftyNickle. - An author may give away copies of his work for free, but that does not nullify his copyright.
 * 3) You said: It's not a "book" and there is no copyright notices anywhere on it. - I used the word "book" because if you zoom in on the first page, it says the text is used by permission from an authors unpublished book. It doesn't really matter if we call it a book or a flyer.  In US law, one does not need to put a copyright notice on something for it to be copyrighted.  It works the other way.  The copyright is assumed to exist unless the author specifically disclaims the copyright.  I think this is a bad law, especially in today's world filled with web pages where people pretty-much expect to have their content borrowed and reused, but its still the law.
 * 4) You said: The photos were taken by BIA Marshalls and are publicly available. - I think this may be the key to using the photos. Please take a look at Work of the United States Government.  This explains that "a work prepared by an officer or employee of the United States Government as part of that person's official duties" is considered to be public domain.  Therefore, if BIA agents tooks the photos as part of their official work, then it would seem that the photos themselves could be used, but we would have to crop down the images to show only the photos, not any of the surrounding flyer.
 * Does that sound sensible to you? I think the photos do add much to the article, if we can find a way to use them legally.  Please let me know what you think.
 * Best, Johntex\talk 15:41, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * OK Bookofsecrets cropped them once. I'll cleanup them up again and reformat and remove the caption text.  Thanks. Waya sahoni 16:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject
Hi again, I just read your reply at WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America. I just wanted to clarify one thing in case it was unclear: I don't think you were wrong to review articles you worked on, because at this time, our project does not say not to do so. There is some discussion on the talk page that perhaps we should adopt some sort of limitation on self-review for the future. Clearly, you can't be faulted for going against something that is still under discussion! I did object to tagging articles as FA if they haven't passed the FA process. Our project page does say that the FA tag is reserved for articles that have passed FA, but perhaps this needs to be more explicit - maybe we should bold part of those instructions? Anyway, no harm done - I just changed them to say that they need a new evaluation. I appreciate your work. Best, Johntex\talk 16:39, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

3RR heads-up
As an experienced user, I'm sure you are aware of our three-revert rule, which applies to any edits except for simple vandalism. You have been accused of violations of this rule at both Talk:Joe Byrd (Cherokee Chief) and User:67.166.115.135, but after investigation I found that each only consisted of 3 reverts, not the 4 required for a block under this rule. Please be careful to only use a maximum of 3 (and ideally much less) reverts in any 24-hour period. If you find that there are problems which you cannot resolve at a particular page, we have several avenues available to help you out which do not require you to continue reverting the page. (ESkog)(Talk) 18:25, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I will look into them. Several users are stalking me on this site.  I would appreciate them being warned/blocked from doing so, then I don't have to revert their vandalism of my work on other pages continuously.  If this continues to be disruptive, and the admins fail to assist me in this matter, I will simply cease contributing.  Then WP can find another Native Cherokee Speaker and expert on Native American Culture to assist you.  I appreciate your kind and thoughtful posting here and assistance in resolving some of this.  Thanks.  Waya sahoni 19:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Users are:

User:Vigilant - worst

User:Kebron - second worst

User:talks_to_birds - etc.

User:Vryl

User:MediaMangler - etc.

User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters - etc.

User:BWD

Vandalism ? From me? Really? What article please? And what date? --Kebron 20:45, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

<- edits evidencing stalking behavior and disruption can be found here.


 * I'm afraid you have to do your own research. My assessment of your conduct stands. Waya sahoni 03:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I edited your page (Jeff Merkey) ONCE in 7 days... that is NOT vandalism... Remove your FALSE CLAIM. --Kebron 03:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd also appreciate ANY cites for accusations of vandalism. Vigilant 23:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

<- edits evidencing stalking behavior and disruption can be found here.


 * Me too. Pls provide diffs. --Vryl 00:03, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

<- edits evidencing stalking behavior and disruption can be found here.
 * Diffs. Provide diffs.  Verifiable claims that others can check on. What contribution when was 'vandalism'.  --Vryl 03:00, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid you have to do your own research work. My asessment of your conduct stands.  Waya sahoni 03:01, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I ask you to please remove the claim that I am a vandal. You have not provided any evidence.  You seem to be claiming that all my contributions are vandalism, which is patently not the case. --Vryl

All of you have been vandlizing this user page and posting personal attacks and defacing the page User:67.166.115.135. Waya sahoni 03:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * This is a talk page to ask questions... you were removing our questions without answering and then accusing us of vandalism. Try again.--Kebron 03:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Translation: He is lying as usual... nice try Jeff--Kebron 03:03, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

"If this continues to be disruptive, and the admins fail to assist me in this matter, I will simply cease contributing."

Does this mean you'll leave if you don't get your way?

Promises, promises... -- talks_to_birds 04:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)