User talk:Webaware/Archive1

PIGUI
Please lodge a case at deletion review if you would like to allow for community debate about whether to include this article. Thank you. Harr o 5 23:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Glad our discussion at Deletion Review worked out well. I'm always a little nervous in such situations because people often get very proprietary (and hence angry) about their material, so here's a little note of appreciation for keeping cool about it.  &middot; rodii &middot;  13:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate, I did appreciate your assistance on that. There's plenty for me to be angry about in this world, but being 'thingy' about Wikipedia content isn't one. And I appreciate also what you were doing - it would be all too easy for Wikipedia to disintegrate into a rabble without some form of oversight. If anything, I've come away from this experience even more impressed with the whole Wiki deal - it is certainly a great leap forward in knowledge collaboration! Cheers, Webaware 14:47, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I put a db-author tag on the article you asked me about. You may do so if you ever accidentally create an article. Wickethewok 04:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will do so - will read up a little more on page creation, editing and deletion before I make any more changes! cheers, Webaware 04:53, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Kombucha etymology
Hi, I just noticed the changes you made regarding the origin of the word "Kombucha". It's an interesting story, and I'm not trying to imply that it's wrong at all, but it would be great if you could cite your sources in the article. It's not the most common origin story around, and as there are several other theories that are at least somewhat accepted, it would be great to know where you got that information. That way we'll all know that it's correct, or at least that it's a valid hypothesis in the list of possible origins. Thanks! Romarin 02:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * G'day Romarin, this isn't as uncommon as you might think. This Google search finds quite a number of links with this interpretation. I'll add a cite or two on the Kombucha page for reference. Cheers, Webaware 02:48, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Romarin 04:38, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Power stations in Australia
Hi. I see you are doing some work on Power Stations in NSW and I saw the development in your sandbox. Looks great. I have been working on plans for a cleanup of the Power stations in Australia category including development of a standard infobox for power station articles which would include a lot of the data you have already pulled together. Details of the research so far is in here. Just wondering how far your interest in the this subject goes? Would you be interested in either collaborating on the topic or starting a Wikiproject to see if we can find some other participants? amitch 02:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * G'day amitch, I'd be happy to collaborate. My interest is in active power stations, hence the page I'm developing in my sandbox to become List of active power stations in New South Wales, and after that, hit each of the other states and territories. This intersects with the Power stations in Australia category, but holds different information for different purposes.
 * I'd also like to develop another page, List of proposed power stations in Australia, to help identify actual proposed increases in electricity generation across the country. See and  for further information on proposed power stations in NSW.
 * Being new to Wikipedia, I don't know what is involved in starting / participating in a Wikiproject - but if you think it is worthwhile, then by all means, why not? Like water, energy is a critical service and fast becoming a hot topic in Australia, which is why I want to establish a pool of knowledge about existing and planned energy supply in this country.
 * Regarding what you currently have on your page, I agree with many of the name changes, and have attempted to fit the naming standard you have used there. However, the names should reflect the actual names of the power stations, for example the Kangaroo Valley and Bendeela hydroelectric pumping stations really are called that, and similarly Crookwell Wind Farm. While I was there, I fixed a couple of them to point to the correct state (see history).
 * cheers, Webaware 04:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Kefir image
Hello, Webaware, I liked very much your image Image:Kefir-grains-90grams.jpg. Could you please upload it to the commons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) so that we can use the image in all the wikipedias in other languages that have a kefir article (we are many). Thanks in advance. (unsigned by User:Elwikipedista at 2006-07-22 13:21:19)
 * OK, I have done so. However, have you noticed that there are already a couple of kefir images there? Thanks to your question, I just found out! Webaware 04:14, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Tassie Power Stations
Great stuff! very impressed! Actually have in my sandbox a list that I was going to do a three level table - catchment/river/powerstation - not sure how that might or not link in some way SatuSuro 14:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW the Baron Gorge issue was cleaned up by qualifiers in the art. No worries I have found arts created by self last year with no qualifiers in the title are coming to haunt me and I am trying to plead with an admin to help me clean up my act! :) SatuSuro 13:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually what concerns me more is to where to put decommissioned Tassie Hydro Power Stations (Lake Margaret has officially just become one) and I think some fellow editors have pointed me to the larger category anyways - sorry to be a nuisance!! SatuSuro 13:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * G'day SatuSuro, thanks for noticing and hopping in - I see you've cast your hand over it already. Note the changes I just made. Lake Margaret can exist in the categories it is already listed in, and so will not be an orphan. I think that Barron Gorge should be renamed - see the discussion. As for your cross-reference list, it sounds like a good idea, but not for the List of active power stations in Tasmania; perhaps it really belongs on the Hydro Tasmania page, with reference to these pages on their excellent website. Webaware 13:46, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your positive response. The website is excellent yes, the idea was to do a set of tables with the info from the hydro website into links with other aspects ot tas goegraphy and history etc etc. As these lists and most entries to date they are relatively skeletal (like the pieman scheme entries) - and rather than simply replicating the hydro website and re-ordering the info - the idea for the tables it to make it a list art quite separate from the List of active power stations in Tas and the Hydro tas page. It will take some time, and will probably be on my sandbox page for quite a while :) SatuSuro 14:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds familiar - those power station lists have been kicking around in my sandbox for months, and I still have Qld, WA and NT to do. From what you describe, it sounds much more like a geographical page (or pages) than simply an addendum to Hydro Tasmania. It could actually be worthwhile to treat each major project as an article, much like the Snowy Mountains Scheme, with one page that draws it all together in these tables you speak of. Quite the challenge! Best of luck :) Webaware 14:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Heheh there's a talk page somewhere that I say I have too many forks in the fire! :) The best is the list of Pastoral Stations in WA (I managed to get A in so far) Thanks for the tip from the snowy article!  If you ever need any help on WA it's my home state, just drop a message :)  I think I can feel a wiki break coming on from too many loose projects :) SatuSuro 14:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No worries, I'll drop you a message when I have the basic shell for WA up as an article. I sense bedtime approaching, but I might just have to tool around a little more first... ;) Webaware 14:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Tempeh
BTW as I oftern trawl fellow editors work lists out of sheer curiosity your tempeh bongkrek toxicity thingo reminds me of the Bailey articles ( He was at ANU in th last ten years -I think he died in the last year or so ) when he was in Gunung Kidul during the famine there in the early 50's - the staple diet of the gunung kidulians which they reverted to was - in consumption in actuality it was reverse nutrition... :( SatuSuro 13:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds rather sad. They probably had "to hand" some appropriate food production and processing tools, especially with food sources like soybeans and cassava, fermenting them into tempeh and tape respectively. Throw in a few cows, etc. I suppose that this situation was sorted out somehow? Malnutrition is a bastard, it leads on to all sorts of other nasties. Webaware 14:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Transmigraion :( I think it was the cassava as the only food alone was seen to be detrimental SatuSuro 15:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * By itself, it's basically a carbohydrate source. You've got to have something else there. This is one of the things about some of the fermented foods - they take a simple food, and change it, often enhancing the vitamin and protein levels. tape and tempeh are examples of this. But even so, there has to be more in the diet than just these foods. Webaware 15:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Forgive me but all my java fieldwork notes are trapped in storage until later in the year, but from memory as the famine increased (gunung kidul is a very haunted region in my imagination, my fieldwork was on the western edge) the people resorted to eating cassava only, and if i remember baileys reports correctly in one of the trop med journals it in effect was equivalent to negative nutrition from such an intake. When I was doing my fieldwork in the mid 90's i developed ganglions from my watch banging my wrist as I was eating much closer to what the local javanese were eating in the village I was staying n.e of yogya, than the average expat :( SatuSuro 01:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I am not very familiar with the subject, but my understanding of it is that droughts brought famine, and as there had been a booming population in the area without any attention given to water infrastructure, there was insufficient water storage, thus failed and reduced crops leading to famine. Classic symptoms of ignoring the carrying capacity of an area over time. If cassava was all that was available, it being essentially a straight carbohydrate crop, then malnutrition was certain to follow. But I guess you could make the case that malnutrition is better than starvation. Fermented foods like tape and tempeh are a response to not having enough "easy" food, and generally help improve the digestibility and available nutrition of a marginal food. Their prevalence in SE Asia suggests that such famines have been common in the history of the region. Webaware 01:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Specific local history is more horrible than can be expected - Gunung Kidul was a forested region centuries ago but javanese rulers and the dutch colonial removed the teak forests literally - and it became a devasted karst region - there are some spectacular caves in there - but with loss of forest the locals also were in a rain shadow area anyway - add it all together and the transmigration authorities had willing volunteers! SatuSuro 02:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Bugger :( and why does it always come back to the old Evil Rulers trick? Very sad :( Webaware 03:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Indeed - Hey will keep in contact, I'm off now SatuSuro 03:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Re:Sourdough
Yup, it was taken at a bakers delight store. --Fir0002 22:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

List
I think it might be v? Hope you get me :) SatuSuro 22:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * ??? Webaware 23:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Use of sources
On coeliac disease you used a patients' group website as a source. If you look at the rest of the article (and the talk page) you will see that we should strive for academic sources, which tend to be more reliable and less open to the troubles of secondary sources (e.g. reinterpretation, phrasing). JFW | T@lk  01:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Agree in general, however this particular citation has information provided by medical professionals, not simply patients. I would have looked further for a strictly academic source, however I was short on time, so I went for a citation from a very reputable non-academic source. If you have a better source, then please replace this one - I certainly won't be offended :)


 * Incidentally, I'm not altogether comfortable with the way you have minimalised the impact of barley and rye. I don't have the time to investigate this further right now, however it is my understanding that with coeliac disease, barley at least is as strongly contraindicated as wheat, and rye possibly is also. This is in strong contrast to a wheat allergy, where it is common to find patients with no reaction to barley or rye.


 * Finally, thanks for your recent efforts on this article. It has really benefited from the additional information and citations. Webaware 03:54, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Fermentation
Hello!

When you say wort is too specific, are you referring to brews like chicha (masticated corn) where wort might not be the classical wort as most often understood? Isn't the liquid (spit) in chicha a wort?

Or, from another angle, saying fermentation turns grain into beer is like saying fermentation turns grapes into wine. Technically true, but somewhat lacking on the details / steps involved.

And, to be really nitpicky, it should read "malted grains" not just "grains".

And last, I apologize for not (yet - newly registered as Carbondog) having a registered name here, I'm working on it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carbondog (talk • contribs) 2006-09-28T08:10:20.


 * G'day Luke, thanks for the message. Please sign any messages on talk pages by ending your messages with four tilde characters: ~


 * The reason I reverted your changes about fermenting grains into beer was because wort is specifically the sugary liquid you get from mashing grains and sparging to obtain only the liquid. Not all beers are made this way. Yes, chicha is an example, and the liquid isn't a wort. Chicha, BTW, can be made either by malting the grain or by masticating to introduce enzymes from saliva, and the liquid you ferment in isn't a big pile of spit! Traditional African beers also don't follow the malt / mash / sparge / boil path, and often include unmalted grains and even bread, so it would not be correct to say that they are wort fermentations.


 * For the Fermentation (food) article, please leave the specifics to the various beer pages, where they belong. cheers, Webaware 23:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Wow
I wish my talk page was as quiet - I have come across some renewable energy cat stubs on the tassie west coast power station - with which I disagree- what do you think? SatuSuro 12:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * G'day mate. Would you care to be more specific? I don't have time to chase down vague references at the mo, as I've been spending more time on a) paid work, b) wikibooks, c) trying to live outside WP :) Webaware talk 13:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Funny that about to take a week off - specifically west coast tas John Butters Power Station as an eg - its interesting the placer doesnt seem to be around any more - or was chastised for putting them in other places - so I understand hydro electric power stations as being not really in this sort of cat - in other places some eds have just reverted them on first sight and no comment... :) SatuSuro 08:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm unsure. I'd reckon you should go with the standards for hydro in other countries - rip 'em out. Webaware talk 09:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)