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Nomination of One Day Alive for deletion
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 * Where can I add my input to keep this page alive? I feel like I have met all things needed to keep this as a page. Webbelot (talk) 11:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I am writing for the deletion of One Day Alive to be reviewed. The page was edited by an unknown person (I think from the band) and multi cites were taken out leaving only like 2-3. I will edit page to add more cites. I am proposing to reenlist page as they currently have a record contract with a subsidiary company or Warner Brother Music. They also have a record coming out being produced by the guitarist of Saving Abel.
 * I understand that the single being on the charts is not Billboard but I can edit and cite more on the page. Webbelot (talk) 15:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Firstly, being signed to a record label is not an instant notability guarantee for a band in and of itself. The WP:NMUSIC criterion that mentions record labels doesn't say "signed to a major record label", it says "has released two full albums on a major record label" — so while a band can get still an article with just one album if it passes other NMUSIC criteria such as Billboard hits or Grammy awards, there have to be two albums, not just one, before being on a major label counts for anything on its own. "Debut album forthcoming" is also not a notability criterion at all, which means it isn't grounds for a Wikipedia article either. The sources for a Wikipedia article also have to be third-party coverage about the band in real media — you don't establish a band as notable by sourcing their album to its own Spotify stream or Bandcamp buy-it page, you establish a band as notable by sourcing their album to newspaper or magazine articles about the band and their album, such as music critics in real magazines reviewing it. Notability doesn't come from verifying that the topic exists, it comes from verifying that the topic has been analyzed and reported on by established media that is recognized as authoritative. But if I look back at the article's history, there's no point at which you ever added any reliable or WP:GNG-building sourcing to it — you used sources like YouTube copies of their music videos, directory entries, blogs that aren't GNG-worthy publications, their own website and social networking profiles, and WP:CIRCULAR citations to other Wikipedia articles, which aren't support for notability, and never cited any GNG-worthy reliable source coverage at all. To be fair, an AFD discussion does not constitute a permanent ban on a subject ever being notable enough for inclusion, and an article can be recreated in the future if their notability claim and its sourceability improve over what they were at the time of the first discussion. But your way forward doesn't involve having the article immediately restored to mainspace in its existing state — if you want to try again, you need to do it through the WP:AFC process so that we can ensure that the notability claim and its sourcing pass our standards. But the article is not going to be restored in its existing state, because they will need to have to have both a stronger notability claim than the original article stated, and better sourcing for it than the original article used, before they become eligible to keep a Wikipedia article. Bearcat (talk) 15:38, 5 June 2023 (UTC)