User talk:Weefreehans


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Christ Church Grammar School
You've tried to remove the "See Also" heading twice from this page... Why? - danjel  (talk to me) 10:25, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * No worries.. If you need help at some point then get in touch. I'm happy to help out with school articles.


 * Are you a teacher at the school? I'm at a primary school (was a consultant in gifted ed., and before that a high school English teacher). - danjel  (talk to me) 05:06, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Your userpage
G'day Again... I gather that you're preparing that section for the school's article? Thought I'd mention, then, that we remove honorifics per MOS:HONORIFICS. WP:WPSCH's general opinion is to leave in the ones that are professionally relevant, such as Rev.

Also, it's usually best to create a user subpage for anything you're testing out before adding to an article. You can do this by following the directions at WP:UP. I have whole articles sitting in my userspace waiting to be moved over (usually because there's a couple bits and pieces that need fixing), such as User:Danjel/Cabramatta High School. Completely up to you though.

As always, grab me if you need a hand. - danjel  (talk to me) 09:13, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Alumni List at CCGS article
G'day...

The alumni list was very broken at the CCGS article. A lot of the alumni were linked to offwiki websites. This makes it a bit like a directory, more than a list of notable alumni.

If you're interested in improving it, then you can check through those links for actual mentions of the school (if there aren't mentions of the school, remove the alumnus), and then use Template:cite to better improve the linking. Most of them will look like at a minimum.

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List of Old Boys of Christ Church Grammar School
Please stop reverting the link to this list from the Christ Church Grammar School article. The name of the list article is consistent with most of the names of the 30 list articles in Category:Lists of Australian people by school affiliation (eg List of Old Boys of The King's School, Parramatta, and List of Old Boys of Shore) and also with the name of the school's own alumni association (Christ Church Grammar School Old Boys Association (Inc)).

On the other hand, the list I deleted from the main article did not comply with wikipedia guidelines, especially as to notability. The creation of a breakout list in its place is also consistent with wikipedia policy, which is that articles about schools should not be dominated by long lists of alumni in any format - these should be broken out into a separate list article. In relation to both of these matters, see WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines.

The only reason PSA schools have not had separate list of alumni articles in the past is that nobody has bothered to create them - there is now a List of Old Haleians and a List of Perth Modernians, and others will follow.

Finally, I note that you appear to be an employee of Christ Church Grammar School. If so, then you should not be editing either the article or the list at all. See Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. In any case, if you revert my edit again, I will ask an administrator to block your username from any further editing. Bahnfrend (talk) 12:31, 11 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Hate to say it, mate, but I'm inclined to agree with Bahnfrend's perspective here. The alumni list has got to the point where Bahnfrend's edits are necessary. Do you mind my asking why you disagree?


 * Separately, while I agree with the position that you're taking here, Bahnfrend, (1) how do you know that Weefreehans is an employee of Christ Church Grammar School (noting WP:OUTING); (2) to say that a COI prevents him from editing isn't quite the truth as COI editors just have to be aware of WP:NPOV issues (see paragraph 1 of WP:COI for definition, requiring there to be a need to advance outside interests, and paragraph 2 where it does not explicitly say that COI editing is prohibited, just that it's discouraged). &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 09:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * In answer to Danjel:
 * (1) I said "you appear to be ... [i]f so, ...", not "I know you are". As for my reason for my comment, see User talk:Danjel/Archive 1: "... Community Relations, before that school librarian. Weefreehans (talk) 00:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC) ".  Note also that Special:Contributions/Weefreehans indicates that the only page in article space Weefreehans has ever edited (many, many times) is Christ Church Grammar School.  (I am also not really inclined to accept Weefreehans' claim on my talk page to be a "new editor": the first of Weefreehans' many edits was more than a year ago);
 * (2) I said "should not", not "must not" or "cannot". If I say "should not", then I am seeking to "discourage", which is consistent with your own comment above.  I also only said I would request a block if there were another reversion (which you have indicated above you consider would have been inappropriate).  Quite apart from the COI issue, there is also an ownership issue - see in particular Ownership of articles.  I would suggest that it really is undesirable for a Community Relations person employed by an organisation (not just a school) to assume ownership (at least in this sense) of the Wikipedia article about that organisation.  It's one thing for such a person to revert vandalism, etc (see Ownership of articles), but quite another thing to revert, twice, a substantial edit that is clearly stated in the edit summary to be a breakout to a new article modelled on a similar breakout article about a corresponding aspect of a similar organisation in another state, and which is also self evidently compliant with editing policies.


 * In answer to Weefreehans' question on my talk page, I would not have an issue with correction of any typos or factual errors in the breakout list (for example, as I've indicated on Talk:List of Old Haleians, I am dubious about the claim that Sir Charles Court is an old boy of Hale School, and I intend to remove it in the near future, unless someone has added a reliable source for the claim), and I would not have an issue with the addition of further notable alumni, but the latter really do need to be notable (eg AFL footballers are notable, WAFL footballers are generally not, federal and state politicians are notable, local govt councillors are generally not (Richard Utting was a mayor (and also an ABC radio presenter), not merely a councillor, so he's notable), etc, etc). See again WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines.  In the case of the three list of WA school alumni articles I have created so far, I have already given some latitude on the issue of notability by including a number of people who appear to be notable, but about whom there is not yet a Wikipedia article.  That largely reflects my view, which I have held for some time, and which is a reason why I started creating the list articles about WA school alumni, that WA is not very well covered on Wikipedia, especially when compared with other Australian states.  On the other hand, I do have an issue with ownership, as discussed above.
 * Bahnfrend (talk) 15:21, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

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