User talk:Weephar

Regarding Cheese
This article http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA050406.heroin.KENS.90a1956.html says that withdrawal symptoms can occur in less than 12 hours. WhisperToMe 23:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Weephar, you will have to have the doctors write reports about the drug.. because we cannot just take your word for it. See, on Wikipedia, information works on a "guilty until proven innocent" principle. Also: "As anyone involved in the drug scene knows, dealers only rarely try to actually push drugs on kids/people and information released from "informed" sources like parents, schools, the DEA, etc. often misinterpret things they see in the drug world and pass on misinformation." - And what is your source for this? - News media outlets, by Wikipedia standards, are credible sources, so we take their "word for it." Now, local news media outlets may exaggerate things a bit, but "Cheese" has been described by national news media outlets as well as by the U.S. Federal Government. WhisperToMe 02:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cheese_%28recreational_drug%29&curid=5028483&diff=113676807&oldid=112533427

I'll let that stay until/unless I can remember where I found where I read that... WhisperToMe 02:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I found it.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA050406.heroin.KENS.90a1956.html

"Officials in the Northside Independent School District have received the warnings loud and clear.

"You could really damage your body or die the first time you use it or the 20th time, you just don't know," said Mary Wynn, the coordinator for Safe and Drug Free Schools and Communities in the NISD.

Recovering heroin users say one small sample is all it takes.

"You're gonna wind up in hell, a living hell," said a man who is dealing with a drug disease. "Life isn't going to be real anymore. It's like a hunger that can't be sated. It's never enough."

One hit of cheese, the equivalent to one-tenth of the powder in a sweetener packet, can cost just $2. So far, Dallas districts have found cheese with up to an 8 percent heroin purity level, which is just enough to hook a first-time user. "

And, if you say this is not real, then, wait until your doctor publishes a report about this.

WhisperToMe 02:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I will try to get a doctor or better yet a psychopharmacologist to publish a report, but I am not sure if I can...they have busy jobs, so they may not want to bother worrying about some small fad in Texas.
 * Weephar 07:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Weephar, books indeed count. I guess we can leave the text out of the article :) - It would be a good idea to find or get physician reports about Cheese so we can explain its effects. WhisperToMe 07:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

You asked, "Anyone here ... know people that have [used cheese]?"
Felt this page would be a more appropriate place to answer the question, as my answer doesn't count as the kind of source that Wikipedia looks for, nor go to the article, but does address what you said: As I've mentioned on the Cheese talk page, I teach in one of the schools where this drug is a problem, and yes, I do know people who have used this drug. The drug has been marketed to kids & mdash; even at the elementary school level &mdash; and the younger ones in particular often insist, "No, I'm not using heroin, I'm just using 'cheeze.'" Counselors have had a hard time getting them to understand that it's simply a different form and does have similar dangers. (FWIW, re: the article, I've said more than once that I'm fine with it simply being a separate section in the heroin article.) As for what the teenaged students believe, it's a little unclear. Also: One claim that some local law enforcement agencies have made is that something about the Tylenol PM tends to mask or confuse results of the usual drug tests, making it harder to prove that one has heroin in one's system. I am certainly aware that law enforcement has something of a history of alarmism. Lawikitejana 03:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * "One other question, anyone here actually use cheese (I haven't) or know people that have [emphasis mine], that might be able to say if cheese is actually marketed as being different than heroin. How do we know that cheese isn't actually just slang for heroin that kids use (slang for drugs gets made up and changed all the time) and parents/teachers/authority figures just confiscated some low-quality heroin cut with Tylenol PM and the kid it was taken from just happened to call it cheese then they thought that some huge conspiracy was going on to get kids addicted to heroin through this substance. ... dealers only rarely try to actually push drugs on kids."

Welcome
Hey, no one ever gave you a welcome. In answer to a couple of your questions, Attribution is the place to go. Looks like they've been changing policies up on us, but see the "reliable sources" and "no original research" sections (yes, you would need to have a paper published before you could cite it on Wikipedia). I hope you stick around and can help with some of the recreational drug use and harm reduction stuff; most of the pharmacology people kind of stay away from it. ;) And here's your welcome template. --Galaxiaad 07:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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