User talk:Weisinger

Hi Weisinger, I disagree with your premise that South Wales is not clearly defined and therefore should not be used. I suggest that the South of any area is in common World use by all peoples of our World so should be used to clearly state which point of the compass we are talking about irrespective of possible Political definitions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canol (talk • contribs) 20:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC) Sorry I forgot to sign the above Canol (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:01, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

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Good point about Tondu. But (small point) you've left it as: "Tondu (Welsh for black sward) is a small town near Bridgend, in the county borough of Bridgend, Wales." Surely if it's in the County Borough, it must be near to the place? I would have put: "Tondu (Welsh for black sward) is a small town in the county borough of Bridgend, Wales." What do you think? Budhen (talk) 15:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Slow down soldier!!
Nah, keep it up, although my watchlist is going through the roof with all your edits. You are doing valuable edits in creating a standardised entry statement for the Welsh pages. Have you thought about adding yourself to the WikiProject Wales site? Cheers FruitMonkey (talk) 21:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a bugbear of mine too. I agree that towns and villages should open with ...a town in Wales. It is less confusing and I will argue the case for it. I do find the South Wales, south Wales thing confusing. I run it as if you are using it as a place in South Wales its in capitals, if it's a typical of south Wales, then the small 's' is used. But I'm no expert.FruitMonkey (talk) 21:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hope you don't mind me adding my thoughts on this. I came across your edits as they had been reverted by a certain contributor who goes out of his way to avoid referring directly to Wales. Thought you'd like to know that yourself and FruitMonkey are not alone in taking this stance (I must have done hundreds of similar edits). The opening line of a geo article should give the county or area followed by the country: even if "North Wales"/"South Wales" etc were defined regions with official status this would still be the case. If someone wants to bring in a ref to the region later in the article, that's fine, but it should never be a substitute for Wales. So don't be disheartened and keep up the good work! (PS I put a fair portion of the blame on the sloppy "geography" of much of the English-language media in Wales - "in the village of Llan-so-small-you-won't-find-it-on-the-map in South Wales" - but guess that's another matter). Enaidmawr (talk) 21:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

North by North West
Thanks for your comments on my talk page, you make some valid points and I agree with your compromise of "s Wales". My only point is that compass points are used universaly to non politically describe an area. Whether it be on the news describing disputed territory somewhere in the World, or a general area of a non disputed country or area, South, North, East or West gives the reader a clearer understanding of what general part of an area is being described. The South of France for example does not have any defined boundaries, but it's use in descriptions imparts to the reader a better idea of the area being described than if it had just been described as France. Again I cannot over emphasise that compass descriptions are non political and also, generally, non POV. Canol (talk) 23:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I happened to surf here and am tempted to add two-bob's worth on capitalisation. The compass points are rightly proper nouns and capitalised as such: "true North", "South-South-West by South-West", etc. They are also initialised with capitals--SSW, NE, etc. Only in some instances does usage accord the same proper-noun status to general (other than strictly compass) directions, eg, the West (as a collection of non-eastern countries), the South (as a collection of third-world countries). I live on the west coast of a state called Western Australia, which also has a geographic region called the South-west and another called the Great Southern (land division). There is no need whatever to capitalise directional common nouns and adjectives such as north(ward), south(erly), upward, downward, etc, etc. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 03:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Pontllanfraith
Why have you reverted my perfectly good edit to Pontllanfraith ? ♦ Jongleur100 ♦ talk 15:17, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

You've done it again, this time to Penmaen. Please be more careful. ♦ Jongleur100 ♦ talk 18:03, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

And here Tonteg. Harris578 (talk) 07:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

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