User talk:Well-rested/Archives/2008/July

Complete list of United States Supreme Court cases submitted to peer review
Hi. I found your name at Peer_review/volunteers and thought I'd let you know that I've submitted List of United States Supreme Court cases (formerly Complete list of United States Supreme Court cases) for peer review here and thought you might like to comment. Thanks.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 13:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Peer review done here :) -Samuel Tan (talk) 02:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

LoCE
Actually, I only joined a few days before it went historical too—as, I think, did a few others. So yes, I'd be interested in getting something going again. I've been working on a few of the Jan. 2007 articles (Donovan McNabb, Manayunk, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, etc.) in my spare time, but it's definitely not a speedy process! From what I've read on the talk page, I think the giant backlog became something of an issue, but from what I can see, all flagged articles went into that backlog—regardless of whether they were specific requests from people asking for help before taking articles to GA/FA/FL, or articles flagged by readers who thought they needed work. (The graph on the WP:LoCE main page includes everything, at any rate.) It would have been helpful to have some way of separating out the two categories, so that those specifically requesting help could have received a timelier response! :P Anyway, I've been plugging away on my own too, trying to chip away at that giant list... Nice to know there are others out there too! : ) MeegsC | Talk 10:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Count me in! MeegsC | Talk 10:36, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Copy edits and the massive backlog
Hi there, thanks for contacting me. I think LOCE was ended (unfortunately) because none of the requests for copyediting were ever fulfilled, and the backlog continued to grow in size considerably. I thought the project still had some meaning because people were still signing names on the members list, which is a useful place for finding individual copyeditors to help out when working on an article. I would like to help clear the backlog (it's going to take months), and I'd like to suggest we start right back at the beginning of the backlog, clearing up the 2007 articles first. I think the oldest articles have been left because they are 1) very boring and 2) very long, but someone will have to do them at some point (maybe even me...) — Wackymacs ( talk  ~  edits ) 16:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I would like to help out, but unfortunately can't commit much in the way of time at the moment (though if that changes, I'll be happy to pitch in!). From my experience, the LoCE was more of a proving ground for copyeditors than anything else - once a copyeditor had worked on a few articles on the LoCE's behalf, and been noticed by other editors, the talk-page requests started coming in... and then the copyeditor had little time left to contribute to the LoCE itself (in my personal experience, anyway!). I don't doubt this was partly due to the backlog and an understandable desire to shortcut the long waiting list. If you don't mind a suggestion, it may help to set some criteria before you embark on the backlog, and possibly make a preliminary survey to cut out any articles that are clearly unready for copyediting. I would say that at a minimum the sourcing and content should already be in place, the article should have active contributors, and basically be in a good enough shape that the prose and perhaps layout are the only remaining issues. EyeSerene talk 17:09, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you help?
I see you were listed as a participant in the League of Copy-Editors so it seems likely. The thing is the Military history wikiproject urgently needs prose pros to help with our best articles. In Milhist, A-Class has become the last port of call before FAC and we are looking for people to help identify prose and MoS issues at A-Class A-Class Reviews and help fix them prior to featured article candidacy. We also have a copy-editing section in our Logistics Dept and that can always use experienced copy-editors. For most of our articles, you don't need to be a specialist in the subject matter, just good with words.

If you think you can help, please do! Thanks for your time, -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 03:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look and see what I can do! --Samuel Tan (talk) 03:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, looks like that is a huge project. I don't think I'll have the time to plunge into it because of other copy-editing stuff I'm working on. Many apologies! -Samuel Tan (talk) 03:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Andrew Wolk article
Hi Samuel! Thank you for your suggestions on adding additional sources to establish the subject's notability. I have added a link to a second Boston Globe piece; a link to a Chronicle of Philanthropy piece; and a newspaper editorial by The Advocate (Baton Rouge, LA), which quotes "nationally known social entrepreneurship expert Andrew Wolk." In addition, I've added links to his three publications.Jhutson64 (talk) 02:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up about the broken link to the MIT Entrepreneurship Center's faculty profile of Wolk. I have repaired the link.

In addition, I have added a link to a Boston Business Journal article from 2003, quoting Wolk as an "expert" on social innovation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhutson64 (talk • contribs) 11:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Translation requests
Thanks for submitting those articles to WP:PNT, and for your copyedit work :). If you run across any more articles which look like bad translations, don't hesitate to post it to PNT. nneonneo talk 04:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

cleanup tags in Dbabbitt's sandbox
I just changed the tags to empty old cleanup categories. I think the user just experiments with all articleissues parameters in its sandbox, so I can't find a reason to delete the tags. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Copyedit request
Hi. I was wondering if you'd mind taking a look at the Insane Clown Posse article and doing some copyediting based on the concerns of the opposing FAC reviewers? (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 21:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC))
 * Hello again. A lot has been changed since the article was last copyedited and it needs some more work. Could you help out? (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 02:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC))

Request
Hey, I've seen that you do a lot of copyediting, and I was wondering if you could help me. The article "Night Out" is up as an FAC, and a third party copyedit has been requested. If you get the time, could you copy edit it? It'd be a great help to me. Thanks, Mastrchf (t/c) 18:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Ilancueitl
You're welcome! :) --Cbdorsett (talk) 07:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Underground City (Beijing)
Welcome to Wikipedia! I have reviewed your Good Article nomination and left comments on the talk page. Please let me know if you have any questions. Best, epicAdam (talk) 15:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

User: Suitman496
Thanks. Look's like the page has been taken care of. I'm guessing either my CSD notice took care of it, or someone else CSD'd it after he holdon'd mine Nskillen (talk) 06:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

CSD
Personally, I'd take the view that removal after one warning shows bad faith, and I would possibly take action then (protect the page from recreation, short block for serial transgressors). However, this is not necessarily doing it by the book (: jimfbleak (talk) 06:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Suitman
Hi. I have User:Suitman/Suitman496 under surveillance. Do you want me to delete your own userpage and make it redlink? - Richard Cavell (talk) 07:19, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, sorry. I didn't realize what he was doing and it confused me. He's acting in good faith so I won't block him, but he needs a nudge. Please keep watching him; I'm about to log out. - Richard Cavell (talk) 07:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * oops, I've just blocked him, do you want me to unblock?jimfbleak (talk) 07:28, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll leave the block for now, but maybe lift fairly soon. jimfbleak (talk) 07:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Will let him know that he should take things a bit more seriously here, but won't hurt too much. Thanks for the help!- Samuel  Tan  07:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Open letter to all Wikipedians
Hello there!

I have begun laying the groundwork for a new WikiProject that has a very simple goal, to improve Wikipedia by dealing with the articles tagged for copy edit, and I am wondering if you are interested in helping me start it. This project is not a clone of WP:LOCE because we will not deal with requests for review (that is currently handled by our good friends over at Peer Review).

I expect that this will be a relaxed, happy and casual WikiProject, because participants will be able to take things at their own pace and use the project page to ask other participants for help. The project proposal is here, and I have created an almost-functional project page in my userspace here.

There are now over 4000 articles needing copy edit, and very, very few people working on them, so any help, however small, is appreciated. If you are interested, please sign up at the proposal page. Once we have enough people, I will shift the project page, along with its subpages from my userspace into the Wikipedia namespace. For now we can use this section of my talk page to discuss the direction and details of the project, and, of course, its name. *grin*

Cheers! -- Samuel  Tan  12:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:WANC. Hmm... EyeSerene talk 12:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't apologise, I love it. We can all be WANCers :D Seriously, I think it's a great idea - anything that improves article quality gets my support. EyeSerene talk 12:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah improving article quality is the main idea :) I think a lot of people happily stick on the copy edit tag expecting the article to be improved (there are 400+ new articles tagged for copy edit per month)... Little do they know that we have an almost two-year backlog! - Samuel  Tan  12:58, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This will work if we get enough active contributors and exposure around Wikipedia. I'm fed up of that 2007 backlog just sitting there. — Wackymacs ( talk  ~  edits ) 12:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know how you feel. The problem is that many of the articles in the backlog are there because they are pretty long, and tedious for one person to edit alone. With some organization it will get a lot easier. - Samuel  Tan  12:58, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, and a lot of those articles are actually good candidates for AFD, but it'll take some time. A lot of them have been left because they are boring, as well. (Who wants to copyedit a boring, long article on their own?). — Wackymacs ( talk  ~  edits ) 13:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking - I keep very busy helping with Peer review and doubt I will be able to offer more than moral support. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:28, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * *basks in Ruhrfisch's moral support* cheers! - Samuel  Tan  15:58, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Count me in! RC-0722 361.0/1  17:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Samuel, Have you contacted any of the members who joined LOCE towards its demise? The list is at WikiProject League of Copyeditors/Members, and it might be worth contacting a few from there to see if they are interested in this. — Wackymacs ( talk  ~  edits ) 18:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Woops, seems like people are joining on your userspace page instead of the real WP page. — Wackymacs ( talk  ~  edits ) 06:46, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks for pointing out. Was wondering why there were only 2 of us... - Samuel  Tan  07:37, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Whats wrong with it?
Can I ask why you want to delete this page : Celtic F.C. and World War I 宁雨翔 (talk) 11:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I tagged the article for proposed deletion here because then it only had information on Celtic F.C. and WW2, both of which are covered in other articles. Your article was therefore superfluous, and I tagged it for deletion as a content fork. If you are still working on the article and want to inform editors not to delete it, please place an tag on the article. If you wish, you may also refer to the guidelines here about what kind of articles to include in Wikipedia. Happy editing, and feel free to ask me any questions. Cheers! - Samuel   Tan  13:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite...
... but I found copy-editing very frustrating: spending hours on an article, only to see it nearly completely re-written a week or so later (with all-new errors); finding "certain" WP FA reviewers unduly hostile, nitpicking, and condescending; attempting to clarify an unclear meaning by asking the principal authors or involved parties (sometimes, at LOCE, from the person who requested the copyedit) and receiving no response, etc. Still, I wish you the best of luck -- the need is great. I'm not here often, but if the fancy strikes, I may fix a thing or two here and there. Best regards to all, Unimaginative Username (talk) 08:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

LOCE
Sorry for the delayed answer. I think the LOCE didn't end, it just moved. They introduced a new template system which supposedly made things much easier to manage things with. However, I've been away from active editing for awhile (I still edit when I see a correction that needs to be made). If you find out, perhaps you wouldn't mind sharing with me. --Otheus (talk) 11:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Polygon diameter
I replied to your message in Talk:Polygon Diameter. TomyDuby (talk) 19:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Non-heterosexuals article rewritten
Hi, I've rewritten Non-heterosexuals and would appreciate you revisiting Articles for deletion/Non-heterosexuals to see if your concerns have been addressed. Thank you! Banje boi 13:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Questions about the GA process
Hi there, good to see we're going to have another GA reviewer. As for your question: correct, as long as you follow WP:GACR, you should be good to go. As you get more experienced in reviewing, you will eventually find more and more small unwritten things to look out for. If you have any more questions, I'll be glad to help. Cheers, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  13:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Musical Starstreams
Hi Samuel Tan. I believe I may have addressed your concerns at this AfD. Cheers, Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 00:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

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