User talk:Werieth/201305

Wollstonecraft file
The Wollstonecraft image file you are replacing the existing file with isn't working. Would you mind checking the recent series of AWB edits and correcting any others that contain that broken link? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 15:32, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that not sure what happened, Ive reverted all of those changes. Werieth (talk) 15:39, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Also, I'm no expert but I read a biography of Wollstonecraft once where the author described the Opie portrait as of a "possibly" pregnant Wollstonecraft. The alt text you are inserting uses "a slightly pregnant woman". Unless there is a source asserting it was painted while she was pregnant, can I suggest you use less confident wording? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email)  15:32, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Im not modifying any alt text. Werieth (talk) 15:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Would you please fix these:
 * Timeline of Mary Wollstonecraft
 * Analytical Review
 * Thoughts on the Education of Daughters
 * Joseph Johnson (publisher)
 * Mary: A Fiction
 * Original Stories from Real Life
 * A Vindication of the Rights of Men
 * Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 05:52, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed those too, not sure how I missed them the first fix. Werieth (talk) 12:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 13:33, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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Let me guess, your going to be the one who follows me around saying everything I've done is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Everything's Obscured By Clouds (talk • contribs) 15:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Im not following anyone around, I just noticed that your page wasnt in compliance, removed the files, and saw you re-inserted the files against policy and then warned you. Werieth (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Already, you're wrong. If that was true, every article on here would have files removed. Caperspark (talk) 15:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Not sure which of use your are referring to, but to put this in some context, the page I was referring to was in the user's userspace and not an article, per [{WP:NFCC#9]] Non-free files can only be used in articles. Since the non-article was using non-free files I removed the said file per policy. Werieth (talk) 17:04, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Question about an edit to the Teahouse/Guests...
Hey Werieth! I'm curious about to the Teahouse guests page. Your edit summary says that you removed an NFCC#9 violation, yet the diff says that you only removed a couple underscores from the filename (ie you only changed  to  ). I'm curious to how this page got on your list and not violation was removed. Thanks. Technical 13 (talk) 14:32, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It was listed as using File:Master Chief in Halo 4.png which was removed with however mediawiki was still seeing it as being used there, I guess a forcelinks purge would have done the same thing, however I already had AWB up removing other stuff it was just easier for me to hit save. Werieth (talk) 14:41, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey
I'm not sure if you had read my homepage, but my template was always going to go, I just had not changed it yet, unfortunately you failed to add my taskbar, If you'd like me to keep it this way until I get round to dealing with it, please add my taskbar to my page, otherwise I will need to revert it temporarily in order to navigate my pages & I do not have time to go through my code, thank you.  Simon  How can I help? 08:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

NZ Flags
You did not put the flag image deletions up for discussion. You acted unilaterally. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia by concensus, not disctatorship. Therefore, unless you can inform me IN CLEAR ENGLISH why you had those flag images pulled, I will feel obliged to restore the images.  Expatkiwi  Flags are great! 18:40, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:NFLIST, Non-free files cannot be used in a list article. Werieth (talk) 13:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you please tell me then why if that is the case, then there is a section in the file submission that allows one to give the reasons for adding a non-free... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Expatkiwi (talk • contribs)
 * The reason given must still meet the requirements of our non-free content policy. Werieth (talk) 14:18, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that I had. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Expatkiwi (talk • contribs)

More fair-use images being reported as non fair-use
Please tell me if there is a reason how do these images, (CPFC article), violate WP:NFCC? NFCC certainly does not as you put it 'forbids this'. Atban.3000  write me  21:10, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * They fail, WP:NFCC, WP:NFCC and WP:NFTABLE. Werieth (talk) 21:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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Accidentally turning on "helpme"
Hi. With this edit adding a NFC warning, you also made a number of minor punctuation changes to the user's talk ;page. The first of those changes replaced "&#123" with "{" at the start of a "helpme", but the "&123" was there for a reason, to deactivate the "helpme", and the effect of your change was to activate the "helpme" like this and add the talk page to CAT:HELP. I don't know if this was a side-effect of some automatic system like AWB, but I suggest that, even apart from unwanted effects like this, it is better not to tinker with pre-existing sections of people's talk-pages. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:13, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Olympiacos women's volleyball and Olympiacos Women's Water Polo Team image issue
Hello Werieth,

I really don't understand how using Olympiacos emblem in two official Olympiacos departments fails the non-free image policy. This particular image that you removed is used in all Olympiacos' departments such as Olympiacos S.C. and Olympiacos Water Polo Club. The usage of a club's emblem for its official departments is something very common and standard for the wikipedia pages. I really can't undestand how using this image for particular departments violates the non-free image policy, while using it for others doesn't. It really doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And even if it does violate the above-mentioned policy for some inexplicable reason, what really matters is what can we do to address and solve this issue. So, I defer to your expertise and in case you can't do anything I will post to the Wikipedia:Media copyright questions as you suggested me. Thanking you in advance, Gtrbolivar (talk) 15:38, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The files where missing a rationale for its usage. If you check that link it will provide advice on how to correctly write one. Werieth (talk) 15:47, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Crystal Palace (rev 2)
This information cannot be conveyed any other way therefor the images do not breach policy... Atban.3000  write me  18:33, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

EDIT: In addition, they are significant to inform the reader of the previous logos of the club, what they looked like and when they were used. Atban.3000  write me  18:36, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:NFCC Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. There are three lines of text that support those non-free files, one reference and one citation needed. You are attempting to use that very little amount of primarily unsourced commentary to justify 8 files. There just isnt enough there to meet the bar required per WP:NFCC and WP:NFCC. Werieth (talk) 18:57, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Why presistent removing?
Hello Werieth, I don't understand why you keep removing the image from the userbox User:UBX/likes The Hunger Games. Please respond to me as soon as possible. Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.Ken Seh 19:50, 28 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ken Seh (talk • contribs)
 * File:Hunger games.jpg is copyrighted and cannot be used in a userbox see WP:NFCC. Werieth (talk) 19:53, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hellenic Parliament Images
Hi Werieth,

Why did you remove the images (and as I can see, many complain about this)? I only used the images already uploaded in the Commons and used in other articles in wikipedia. If there is, indeed, a copyright problem, then you should also remove them from the respective articles for SYRIZA, DIMAR, KKE, etc. Unless I hear an explantion from you within 24 hours, I will undo your changes.

Best regards, Panionios1890 (Panionios1890) —Preceding undated comment added 08:55, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * See WP:NFCC, WP:NFCC, WP:NFCC, and WP:NFTABLE. Werieth (talk) 08:57, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

When I first read points 3, 8 and 10c, I thought that I could easily do it myself, but then I read about the tables ... I am trying to remove that part of the table with the symbols but I am doing sth wrong and it doesn't look right in the preview. Would you be kind enough to do it for me (after all, you did fix the footnotes to make them look nice - forgot to say thanks for that: Thanks)?

Regards, Panionios1890 (Panionios1890) 14:07, 29 May 2013 (EEST)

File:Biennale logo small.png
Why did you comment out File:Biennale logo small.png from articles and add a substituted deletion tag to the image without stating a deletion reason, and remove the non-free use rationales from the image in the same edit? --Geniac (talk) 02:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The purpose of use was listed as "illustration" which isnt a valid reason. Werieth (talk) 02:33, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, but what was the purpose of substituting the deletion tag? Why did you not state a deletion reason using the  parameter? Why did you remove the rationales? --Geniac (talk) 03:00, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I tagged it by hand, and thought it should have been subst'ed. I also could have sworn I did include a reason when tagged. Werieth (talk) 03:05, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Baseball in Puerto Rico (photos)
You have removed photos from Baseball in Puerto Rico several times. The photos relate directly to the subject matter that they accompany. Your editorial comment is that they are "missing a free use rationale for the article."

Perhaps you can explain this for me. My understanding is that free use rationale applies to the acceptance of the initial photo upload into Wikipedia. Once it is uploaded, the photos can be used by editors whenever it is appropriate. The editor of an article is not obliged to provide a free use rationale. Only the uploader of the photo, when he first uploads the photo into Wikipedia.

In addition, my use of the photos is specific, precise, and appropriate to the exact subject matter.

If my understanding is incorrect, I would welcome your comments on this. If you do not respond, I will contact other editors who might help to clarify this point. Thank you for your time and assistance.

Nelsondenis248(talk) 15:37, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You are completely off base. Each usage of non-free media requires its use to be justified and kept to a minimum. Each use must be in compliance with WP:NFC and have a rationale which clearly defines why the file must be used where it is being used. The uploader is only required to justify the initial usage (See WP:NFCC which requires at least one use). Beyond that whomever adds the file to an article must create their own rationale that explains why the given article must have the specified file. Werieth (talk) 16:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Werieth. Where am I supposed to provide that rationale -- on the talk page of the article, in the edit summary, or in the File of the image itself? In every Image File I look, I only see the initial upload rationale, licensing info, and the list of file usage. I don't see any individual rationales, other than the original upload rationale. So...where do we provide this rationale info?
 * Thanks again, Nelsondenis248 (talk) 03:55, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If you can get me a list of files we can review their usage here, before creating rationales for their usage. As each file you add needs to meet WP:NFCC and some of the files you added in the past just dont meet that bar. Werieth (talk) 04:41, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, Werieth. I looked at WP:NFCC and the rest of the ten factors -- frankly, I believe 90% of the current images in our Wikipedia articles do not meet that 10-prong test. But rules are rules, so here goes. Here is the list of images from Baseball in Puerto Rico:
 * File:LBPRC.png
 * Currently used in Liga de Béisbol Profesional Roberto Clemente
 * File:Criollos de Caguas logo.png
 * Currently used in Criollos de Caguas (baseball)
 * File:Satchel Paige.jpg
 * Currently used in Satchel Paige and in List of members of the Baseball Hall of Fame
 * File:Hiram Bithorn.JPG
 * Currently used in Hiram Bithorn
 * File:Page with Fransisco Coimbre.jpg
 * Currently used in Pancho Coimbre
 * File:Victor Pellot10.jpg
 * Currently used in Victor Pellot
 * File:Leon Day.jpg
 * Currently used in Leon Day
 * All of them accompany a parallel discussion in the text of Baseball in Puerto Rico; they were not randomly chosen. There is article discussion of each ballplayer, especially Satchel Paige.
 * The first image File:LBPRC.png is the logo of the Puerto Rican winter baseball league, known as the Liga de Béisbol Profesional Roberto Clemente. This image appears next to a large section in my article, named "Liga de Béisbol Profesional Roberto Clemente," with several paragraphs that discuss this league.


 * Thanks for taking a look, Werieth. I know this takes valuable time, and I certainly don't mean to impose. I really appreciate your time and your advice.


 * All best, Nelsondenis248 (talk) 07:29, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

You are correct there is a large issue with non-free media being miss-used. That is why I am trying to help others get informed about it. Lets take each file one at a time, feel free to comment inline. Can you explain why you must include these images and a link to the main article isnt sufficient?
 * File:Criollos de Caguas logo.png
 * File:Hiram Bithorn.JPG
 * File:LBPRC.png
 * Why do you need the logo, cant a link to the organization suffice? Werieth (talk) 10:21, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * File:Leon Day.jpg
 * File:Page with Fransisco Coimbre.jpg
 * File:Satchel Paige.jpg
 * File:Victor Pellot10.jpg

Werieth (talk) 10:21, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * For all of them, I would say that they illustrate the specific material in the article. Each image (including every ballplayer) corresponds exactly to the text.


 * The three images I believe are especially pertinent are:
 * File:LBPRC.png --  because an entire section is devoted to it. The article is about baseball in Puerto Rico, and this is the logo of their league.
 * File:Satchel Paige.jpg -- because Satchel Paige's participation was a historic event in Puerto Rican baseball.
 * File:Criollos de Caguas logo.png -- because it illustrates one of the major teams, and there is no commercial infringement or negative usage of the photo.


 * Thanks again, Nelsondenis248 (talk) 06:11, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

2010 East–West Shrine Game
I don't see that WP:NFC #14 means a general logo is unacceptable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs)
 * WP:NFC #14 refers to events that happen either yearly or on a regular basis. It means that each occurrence of the event should not use the logo unless the logo is unique to that year's event. Werieth (talk) 01:05, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I really think you are taking a too literal interpretation of this. It's never been enforced in the past and I've never seen it mentioned until you personally enforced it across the project yourself.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 02:45, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Its fairly clear policy, and it has been enforced, take a look at the history of WP:NFCR Werieth (talk) 02:46, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Give me a specific instance instead of just instructing me to go and look at a particular page's history.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 02:48, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Also I've reverted myself on all but The Amazing Race 2 and The Amazing Race 18 as the files used on those two pages are unique to those two events as well as the whole so you can stop leaving me messages.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 02:50, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * See Non-free_content_review/Archive_17 for one removal. Werieth (talk) 02:54, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've raised this issue on WT:NFC to get a clear answer.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 02:57, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Australian and NZ Flags
Slow day? Or do you get a real kick out of pissing me off? Those flag submissions I took pains to ensure that they were 'kosher', yet you still knocked them off. — Expatkiwi ( Flags Rock! ) 12:30, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * They are anything but "Kosher", They are in clear violation of WP:NFLIST. Werieth (talk) 12:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It is my duty to inform you that I have lodged a complaint with Wikipedia against you for your actions. — Expatkiwi ( Flags Rock! ) 12:40, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Where have you filed this request? I would like to be able to defend myself and show the third parties the relevant policies. Werieth (talk) 12:57, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Toddst1 (talk) 21:21, 31 May 2013 (UTC)