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–- kungming·  2  (Talk)  16:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC) Hi Roger, I have been very busy, hence the delay in my reply. I have no previous knowledge of the article you mention when I wrote my version of the history of the Howarth surname. Given that the information sources I used were probably very similar if not the same as the ones that were used by John T Howarth. For the users of Wikipedia either John or I can merge the two versions. I never set out to breach the copyright of another person. The information sources we both used draft the article are to a greater extent are all in the public domain. I have no interest in copyrighting the material I wrote.

As to how the article is presented I am more than happy to have both articles merged. The drive to standardise English and due to illiteracy the Anglo Saxon surname has been entered into documents with a number of variations.

I decided to write the article because everyone I spoke to believe my surname was a misspelling of Haworth. This is probably driven due to the Bronte family bringing the village of Haworth into the limelight. My intention was to illustrate that there are other roots for the Howarth surname and not just Haworth.

My Father traced the Howarth name with me using family documents, deeds, wills, military service and feudal records back to the mid 15th century including a document detailing our ownership of a coat of arms granted for service in the crusades (all of these documents are private and held by myself and will not be placed in the public domain). Since my Father passed away I continued the research and have traced my family line back to the early 14th century where my ancestor (Hearwarthe) was a Yeoman and Man at Arms holding two 100's of land and a number of indentured staff. The documentation relating to him is very difficult to piece together as the name changes form a few times from the Anglo Saxon spellings. I have recently had an amercement translated from Medieval Latin were the person (a Hauerð) failed to provide the correct number of armed men for feudal service.

Hopefully we can find a mutual way forward to release the information so other people can make use of it.

Best wishes, Wes Howarth ---

Your surname
I assume that the H in your User ID stands for Haworth or Howarth so welcome indeed to another bearer of the illustrious name. Now to your article. I would have preferred a title of Haworth (surname) not just for personal reasons but because that is how the Haworth Association of America spells itself. But now I have created the redirect, I am not too fussed. The real problem is the close similarity between your article and this page. The latter is written by John T. Howarth and you are apparently Wes. I recognise that you have edited the text somewhat (and provided a Grid Reference!) but I still feel it is too close to a copyright violation for comfort.

Now one solution would be to cause a form of words such as Wikipedia has permission to use this text under the terms of the GFDL to appear at the bottom of the HaworthAssociation.org page - would that be in your power. See also Confirmation of permission. Another solution is to rewrite it even more in your own words and place it, as the copyvio notice says, at Howarth/Temp. You can still access your version via the article's history.

If you re-write it, you need to wikify it and definitiely re-phrase: ''A large number of individual[s who] falsely pepper the internet with references to the origin of the name as Haworth in Yorkshire are mistaken. In my research I have traced''. The rest of the article is reasonably close to the stultifyingly bland tone that all Wikipedia articles eventually descend to.

I hate to have to do this to you. The article is far better than anything I could have produced. But if I had not picked up the copyvio, someone else would have done. Do please develop it to a point acceptable to the Thought Police here. Incidentally both my parents came from Rawtenstall. -- RHaworth 20:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)