User talk:Wesley Wolf/Archive 17

=July 2015=

Your GA nomination of Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2014
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WikiProject Eurovision Cup news
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user:RebeccaTheAwesomeXD
Hi. I've blocked for 1 month some IP addresses that this blocked sockmaster was ostensibly using. If I've missed any, or any more get used, let me know. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:36, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * hello and thank you for stepping in there. I do believe that Rebecca could be a potentially outstanding contributor, if only she took more care and understood what Wikipedia is all about, rather than going deeper and deeper into trouble with the socking, and the lies that she is "new" when she has been around for at least 6 years under various accounts (registered and IP). It wasn't too long ago that she claimed to "not know what socking was" and that she would "never do it again", only to go and make a new account within minutes. I had left a note at User talk:CT Cooper, as I found loads more IP addresses that are editing the same articles that Rebecca did and in the identical style as hers too. The girl is becoming troublesome and I fear she is just never going to learn from her mistakes. I'm not sure if ArbCom or ANI is going to be the next step in order to work on a way to resolve the matter and put an end to it all. Her actions is just wasting time on users who actually enjoy working on Wikipedia, but are quitting because they are getting tired of cleaning-up her mess.  Wes Mouse &#124; T@lk  13:09, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * People like this generally dont learn until they grow up so there's no point in tying up the bureaucratic venues - we just keep blocking till s/he gives up. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:15, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Bidding phase ESC 2016
Thanks for helping with the Bidding phase section on ESC 2016. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:21, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * you're very welcome. There are a lot of grammar issues with the article at present, and a lot of over-linking issues too. I'm going to do a quick sweep of the article and clean-up all of these so that the article is neat and well-presented.  Wes Mouse &#124; T@lk  15:22, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Good. And thanks! Oh, I heard that SVT had made the decision to host ESC in Ericsson Globe. I think the 2016 edition will be really great :)--BabbaQ (talk) 15:26, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm already looking into hotels and flights to be there for Eurovision-week and attend my first contest at both the semis and final. Anyhow, back to the article cleaning. I'm checking for issues relating with WP:LEADCITE, WP:LEADLINK, and WP:OVERLINK - mainly the issues those guides tell us to avoid at all costs. I think I've acquired a manual of style OCD - haha!  Wes Mouse &#124; T@lk  15:29, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - Issue 47
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Your GA nomination of Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2014
The article Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2014 you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2014 for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Royroydeb -- Royroydeb (talk) 07:41, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (music)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (music). Thanks. Worldbruce (talk) 10:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Proposal to remove "Has won or placed in a major music competition." from "from Criteria for musicians and ensembles

Adminship
Hi Wes, have you thought about running for adminship? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:56, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Me? Admin? Erm, not really thought too much about it to be honest. I can have my up and down moments. But am I really of admin quality? Oh my! Very rare that I say this, but I am speechless.  Wes Mouse &#124; T@lk  12:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I haven't checked super deeply (and those 3RR blocks will likely prevent it until at least May next year, especially since there are more than one) but you tick a number of boxes...experience (through userrights, time and edit count), GAs and DYKs. Kudpung's criteria are probably around where a lot of the 'seasoned' RFA voters are. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:08, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Those recent 3RR's were through stupidity of my own to be fair. My head has been juggling more than it can handle in recent months, and I had one of them "light is off, and stumbling in the dark" moments. The blocks are the bruising that I am using as a reminder not to be so stupid again, and take-a-break when the going gets tough. I wasn't too sure if I done the right thing stepping in at Talk:Nat Gertler, but I gave it my best shot. I just had that feeling and understand of where Nat was coming from. His daughter, naturally, is significant to him - its his flesh and blood! But she is of no significance to the article or wider public eye, as she has done nothing notable other than be the daughter of a comic book author. Then there is another incident that I also intervened at Talk:Gajendra Chauhan - ironically the same day (think I went into super-mouse mode that day). And that got resolved quickly too. I managed to get both users to calm down, see eye-to-eye, and they are now working as a team, and learning things about Wikipedia along the way too.
 * Not sure if I'm ready for the tools yet, and would probably need lessons in how they work, if I were to be given them in the future. But with the traumatic and life-changing issues that I have gone through since March, then I feel that hopefully I can provide words of wisdom, or quotes of motivation for now, rather than look at RfA - perhaps that will come in 2016. Unless of course if someone feels that I am ready, then I will go with their judgement. Thank you for the support though, Callanecc. I really appreciate it.  Wes Mouse &#124; T@lk  12:19, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You did a good job at Nat Gertler had you stepped in an hour or two later when one or both wasn't looking at the screen and still in that frame of mind it probably would have worked. But as it was it needed a little time and a mop to clean up. If you do get interested next year please do let me know I'd be happy to help. :) Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:56, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2014
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:06, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

=August 2015=

Today's articles for improvement
A project for you perhaps. Today's articles for improvement. And if not, it is still a good project to add noms to about ESC related articles.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:33, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

173.49.72.168
Thank you for your vigilance. I have reblocked Rebecca's IP but only for 2 months because we don't do long blocks on IP because they might be shared. It would be good if you could continue to keep an eye on it and clean up any mess she's made. Let me know diectly if she starts again when the block expires or if she starts using a new IP. Thanks again. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:26, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * thanks for reblocking. It is clear the IP address is static and not shared. And I can't remember off-hand, but I'm sure a check user was done at both her SPI reports, although I don't know if that provides IP data. She did in a round-about way admit that the IP is hers in a comment she came out with at User talk:RebeccaTheMegaAwesome. The girl has turned into some sort of ADHD-Wikipedian, and purposely disrupting and destroying everything in her path, not to mention the lies she has come out with too. Saying she will "not edit, even via her IP, until December", but then doing the opposite.  Wes Mouse   &#10002;  00:35, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, AFAIK it's dynamic and locates to Lansdale, Pennsylvania, but keep an eye on it and next time, if no one has requested an IP block exemption I'll block it for longer. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:43, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Intervision Song Contest 2015
This source is not sufficent to state that these countries can participate. You reverted the edit based on the fact of saying that Japan and South Korea are part of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, which they are not. Unless you can find an official source from the compition itself stating eligble nations, the comments of one man are NOT sufficent to justify their inclusion. --DSBennie (talk) 19:01, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you at all familiar with the verification and citation policies? Content is added to articles based on what a source states; and has to be written without copying the source word-for-word. The source used is reliable, and that source has Japan and South Korea listed amongst other nations that may also participate in the ISC. The source also states that countries within the SCO and CIS are also eligible. Perhaps the prose on the article needs to be re-worded to provide more clarity!? But the fact those are listed in the article is because they can be verified by the citation which quotes the content - and all that is in accordance with Wikipedia policies. The source is sufficient, as it is WP:SECONDARY, which is the preferred type of citations by Wikipedia standards.  Wes Mouse  &#10002;  19:17, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * And for the record, your claim that this source are the comments of one man and thus sufficient, is straw-man fallacy. Eurovoix, and this source also confirm that South Korea, Japan, China and other countries of the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization) are eligible to compete.  Wes Mouse  &#10002;  19:26, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

This might sound weird coming from me
...but in this edit, you cited WP:BOLDTITLE in a way that seems to run counter to the way the guideline suggests:

In general, if the article's title is absent from the first sentence, do not apply the bold style to related text that does appear: "Red x.svg The Beatles' rise to prominence in the United States on February 7, 1964, was a significant development in the history of the band's commercial success. (The Beatles in the United States)"

I'd been considering bringing that practice up somewhere for a while, even before I joined the project, so I thought I might as well say something now. —烏Γ (kaw), 20:29, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * It was suppose to be WP:BOLDITIS. Pipelinks are not suppose to be in bold text, as was pointed out to me by a highly-experienced Wikipedia at Talk:Netherlands in the Eurovision Song Contest 2014/GA1 (that's how reviews are carried out for Good Article assessment). Also Superfluous bolding explained notes that over-bolding is to be avoided in the lead section. In the article Kazakhstan in the ABU TV Song Festival, you'll notice I removed the pipelink to the word Kazakhstan, as the word is a commonly-known place and doesn't need to be in bold text per WP:OLINK. I am also experienced, which is why I've been doing a lot of manual of style corrections on various articles.  Wes Mouse  &#10002;  20:39, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh my days, I see what you mean. Kazakhstan was only suppose to have the link removed, not sure why I added bold text to the other part. Anyhow, I've fixed it. I'm having a bad day today.  Wes Mouse  &#10002;  20:55, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It'll be interesting to try to see how you managed to do that, but mistakes happen. The only thing is that in the Beatles example given above, checking the actual article shows nothing bolded in the lead at all, so I'm not sure (in this case) Kazakhstan should have it either – and if that gets followed, it'll probably need to be uniformly updated throughout the entire project. —烏Γ (kaw), 21:05, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Well if you are doubting the judgement, then take it up with . He is the one who pointed out boldtitle guidelines to me. I very much doubt he would be wrong, see as he is experienced and reviewed hundreds of articles to Good (GA) and Feature (FA) statuses. If he pointed out that Bold (not linked) is OK, but Bold (linked) is not allowed, then I think I'd be trusting his knowledge. And what is being insinuated by it'll be interesting to try to see how you managed to do that?  Wes Mouse  &#10002;  21:25, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That last bit you mentioned was mostly just a joke. I...tend to be bad at them. —烏Γ (kaw), 21:51, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah right, I see. Wasn't too sure how it was meant to be coming across, hence why I sought clarity from yourself before I ended up jumping into the wrong conclusions.  Wes Mouse  &#10002;  21:54, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

User:Ericnocito
Hey Wes, I've been having issues with User:Ericnocito on the Ukraine in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2015 page. He keeps removing sources for no reason despite me telling him not to. I've reverted his edits and left a message on his talk page but he won't stop. I don't want this to turn into an edit war so I'm wondering how I should handle this. { [ ( jjj  1238 ) ] }  18:31, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * On Pochny z sebe he just removed the source I originally created the article with and replaced with with a source from escreporter written by someone named "Eric Nocito". It doesn't take a genius to know they must be connected. This is surely against Wikipedia rules, right? { [ ( jjj   1238 ) ] }  18:33, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll issue him with a warning, and see if he learns the hard way.  Wes Mouse  &#10002;  12:44, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Molly
I have nominated Melodifestivalen singer Molly Sandéns article for Today's articles for improvement/Nominations. Take a look at that nom and the others that I have made when you find time for it. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Citations of the participations at ESC 2016
Hello, since I've seen you've reverted my edit in the ESC 2016 page because there was no need to cite Belarus' participation twice, but considering that there are 2 citations for the participations of some other countries like Belgium, NL, Finland etc. I wanted to ask you what was the difference between them. :) Besides, I think ESCToday's articles should be cited more than Eurovoix.com's, because they are more accurate ;) Gianluca91 (talk) 16:37, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The others should only have 1 citation too (per WP:OVERCITE), with exception to Turkey, as that is using 3 citations for a specific reason of multiple verification (there are pieces within each of the 3 sources for Turkey that when combined provide a clearly note that Turkey have confirmed participation). Also we shouldn't be leaning towards the use of one specific website either, so you view that ESCToday should take priority over any other website comes across as biased. When it comes to citations, it needs to be the earliest one to have been published. So if Eurovoix publish before ESCToday, then it would be Eurovoix that becomes the priority citation. There's a full list of sources that WikiProject Eurovision have deemed to be reliable, following checks. Both Eurovoix and ESCToday are accurate with their news publications.  Wes Mouse  &#10002;  17:51, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

=September 2015=

Your GA nomination of Eurovision Song Contest 2015
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Your GA nomination of Eurovision Song Contest's Greatest Hits
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Turkvizyon Languages Talk Page
Hi Wesley I have now added a talk page to the article "List of languages in the Türkvizyon Song Contest", link is here [] 16:05, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I shall now be able to work out the points for EuroCup.  Wes Mouse  &#10002;  16:06, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Pan Celtic Festival
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Your GA nomination of Eurovision Song Contest's Greatest Hits
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Your GA nomination of Eurovision Song Contest 2015
The article Eurovision Song Contest 2015 you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2015 for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Zwerg Nase -- Zwerg Nase (talk) 18:20, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Cleanupbabe
Perhaps a Rebecca sock? Karst (talk) 14:54, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * no she isn't, thankfully. Rebecca doesn't come from England, and Cleanupbabe edits different articles than what Rebecca did.  Wes Mouse  &#10002;  17:35, 23 September 2015 (UTC)