User talk:Westcoastbiker

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Welcome
Welcome to Wikipedia. Take a look at the welcome page. To stay in Wikipedia, an article has to be about something notable, that is, of general interest. Click on Notability for an explanation of what that means, and on Notability (organizations and companies) for more detail. Also, it must give independently verifiable sources. Articles that don't meet these requirements are likely to be deleted. Follow the links below to learn more: JohnCD (talk) 15:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC) ==Notability of Bettertrades== A tag has been placed on Bettertrades requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.
 * To find out more about creating articles, read the Introduction and the Guide to creating your first article.
 * You should not write articles about yourself, your band, your client, your boss or your best friend - that's a conflict of interest.
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If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. JohnCD (talk) 15:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I knew I had seen somewhere a list of admins willing to provide copies of deleted pages, and after some searching around, I have found it on the useful page Why was my page deleted? Ask one of Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles, explaining that you want to use it as a basis for an improved and hopefully acceptable article. They may either send it to you by email or "userfy" it into a page in your userspace. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 15:58, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Useful tip I've just thought of - not every admin is active, so having picked one, go to his talk or user page and then click "User contribution" at lower left of the page - that will show whether he has edited lately. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:00, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


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I read a good bit of the style guide and guidelines (notability, sources, neutrality). I worked on my first article, and I published it as a basic attempt. It was deleted, and besides an automated code for what was the problem, I got no further explanation. I attempted to simply improve the article altogether, because I agree that high quality is important.

I want to take the time now to discuss the page I created with other editors and administrators so that I can go about publishing it properly and not worry about causing anyone else unnecessary psychological pain. Right now, it's on my userspace with the title Bettertrades. What do I do to follow through on the final steps to publication, and how can I make sure that I am treated fairly and promptly with a discussion if anyone has major disagreements?
 * I can't help you unless I know what the title of the article was :). Re post the helpme template when you reply please. ——  nix eagle 18:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You can discuss the article with User:Coren, who deleted it, and User:Jerry, who userfied it, for one. I'm assuming the article was Bettertrades. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 18:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I see your article User:Westcoastbiker/Bettertrades. Please take a look at WP:CORP for what is required to meet the notability guidelines. Also please read WP:COI (just in case) and WP:FAQ/Business. Ask the deleting admin to take a look. Gtstricky Talk or C 18:30, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Use of article categories
Please note that article drafts in the user name space should not be added to article categories. Using the nowiki tag (there are other ways to do the same thing) is one way to keep the draft out of the active category. When the draft is moved back to the article name space, simply delete the nowiki tag. Dbiel (Talk) 01:22, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I had seen that someone suggested that articles should always include categories, and I thought I'd just go ahead and add them to mine. I'm pretty new to this, so I had no idea that the article would actually show up without being in the official space.Westcoastbiker (talk) 13:39, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Westcoastbiker
 * No problem. Wikipedia is a complex place with a lot to learn. I know I am still learning more all the time. Yet at the same time it is a place where anyone can participate. There is always plenty of people arround to point out mistakes and lend a hand if needed. So there is no need to worry about making a mistake. Just go for it, or as Wikipedia would say, be bold. It is actually impossible for the average editor to make any serious mistakes that can not be easily corrected or reversed. Dbiel (Talk) 19:32, 9 September 2008 (UTC)