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Nathaniel Fiennes
I have reverted this move. Just because two subjects of a biography have similar names does not automatically mean that the page needs to become a dab page. In this case I think Nathaniel Fiennes the Roundhead is far more notable than Nathaniel Fiennes, 21st Baron Saye and Sele. So the obvious way to deal with this situation is to add a hatnote t the Nathaniel Fiennes article which is what I have done.

Also I do not think that the use of "(Civil War colonel)" is very a satisfactory dab extension. Although he was a colonel in the Parliamentary army it is debatable if that is for what he is best known, and Civil War can easily be confused with American Civil War. The usual dab extension to use for men like him is either Royalist/Cavalier/cavalier or Parliamentarian/Roundhead/roundhead. see: -- PBS (talk) 14:04, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * category:Cavaliers category:Roundheads


 * Yes, I see why you have reverted the change. I did it with good intentions. Just looking at the number of viewers for each page though, Lord Saye and Sele has approximately double the number of hits that Roundhead Fiennes has. I thought that as they both shared a name and are from the same family, having a dab page would be useful. But I won't challenge your decision. (WestminsterWatch (talk) 23:17, 6 June 2013 (UTC))


 * A major issue with the sort of change that you made is that after moving "a page" to "a page (dab ext)" if you then edit that redirect you make it impossible for someone to undo your work unless they are an admin. This is because even if another editor move your dab page creation to "a page (disambiguation)" they can not move the original page back because the redirect at "a page" will link to "a page (disambiguation)" if they edit the "a page" to redirect to the original page at  "a page (dab ext)" they can not then move the page back because the page at "a page" will have an edit history of more than one. The only way for an ordinary editor to get this fixed is to make a request at WP:RM under WP:RM/TR "If the page has recently been moved without discussion, you may revert the move and initiate a discussion on its talk page. If you are unable to revert, request it below." So I suggest that in future  before you move a page from a primary topic position and place a dab page at that location you first propose the change on the talk page of the article and wait a few days to see if anyone objects. If they do and you sill think it a good idea then put in a WP:RM request. If no one objects then of course you are free to move the page and create the dab page. But the initial request will be seen as an act of good faith, and may make other editor's lives less complicated. -- PBS (talk) 11:53, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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