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NPR Newsletter No.18


Hello ,

, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:
 * WMF at work on NPP Improvements
 * Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
 * Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.

has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.
 * Reliable Sources for NPP

Look for information on the an upcoming backlog drive in our next newsletter. If you'd like to help plan this drive, join in the discussion on the New Page Patrol talk page.
 * Backlog drive coming soon


 * News
 * Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.


 * Discussions of interest
 * A request for bot approval for a bot to patrol two kinds of redirects
 * There has been a lot discussion about Notability of Academics
 * What, if anything, would a SNG for Softball look like

Six Month Queue Data: Today – 7242 Low – 2393 High – 7250

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Thanks!
Thanks for reviewing my article on Peter and the Wolf! I hope you found it really good! NickBlamp (talk) 15:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Karan Vohra
Yes, I glanced at it. Now I've moved it to draft space because it's not much better than the first attempt. Deb (talk) 21:40, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Pothuraju Judson (Orphan)
Hi, would it be okay now to remove the orphan tag. I've hyperlinked as many as possible. Thank you.Meher Mansion (talk) 11:16, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Young Mahasi - deletion
Hi I am aware of my mistake not indicating the page was previously delated, which makes it seem irrelevant, how do I follow a proper procedure that will separate it from its previous view?. Dwaynemoony (talk) 01:31, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Recreate an Article
Sir, How to recreate an Article which was previously deleted under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion? M Bahroze Zafar (talk) 19:52, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Well you can still do it if it is notable, might want to ask one of the admins for the issue. Wgolf (talk) 19:53, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Ko Nakamura and Toyoko Yoshino
Are you sure they are the same person? The Japanese wiki doesn't seem to think so: 中村コウ and 吉野トヨ子. It's possible that they're wrong but I would be extremely surprised if that were the case. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 12:39, 7 June 2019 (UTC) I am not sure, you can ask Wgolf (talk) 16:29, 7 June 2019 (UTC)


 * According to the sports ref source, it's the same person.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 16:48, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I do think they're different people. The Japanese wiki for Yoshino says that she was a sprinter to begin with and only took up discus after the war. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 18:37, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Page moves cause disambiguation links
Hi Wgolf, I just corrected 14 links to The Great Unknown (film) caused by the page move to The Great Unknown (1924 film). Please keep in mind that page moves often cause unintentional links to DAB pages. Thanks! Leschnei (talk) 12:14, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome, I did try to move some of them, but got sidetracked by other pages. Wgolf (talk) 16:30, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I was also finding quite a few of those at the time that I was expanding the DAB. (like right now Masked Rider (disambiguation) I am trying to make sure I get all the links this time for the expand I found-based off of the what links here) Wgolf (talk) 18:37, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks - your move caused a fairly minor blip in the DAB links meter. Some page moves can cause hundreds of such problems! Leschnei (talk) 12:09, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of NCAA Division I Baseball Championships recent history for deletion
Sorry. You did not create it, but did edit it, therefore the possibility existed that you might have an opinion on it. Jay Jor (talk) 20:05, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

good faith edit
Hi Wgolf - you will see I have added to the disambiguation note at Henrik Gerner (Bishop), to read that the other Gerner was a shipbuilder. This seems sensible to me, as the term shipbuilder disappeared on your first edit a few days ago. No "Edit War" is intended - if you can formulate a clearer statement, fine by me. There are not enough Henrik Gerners to warrant a disambiguation page to themselves - or are there? Viking1808 (talk) 11:36, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It was due to the fact that there was no page for Henrik Gerner so for that reason that one was moved to that name. Wgolf (talk) 16:53, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

WP:UAA
Just a heads up. For promotional usernames, the proper channel for reporting them is WP:UAA. Cheers. Sasquatch t&#0124;c 04:12, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes I know-but it was a music group which that does not tend to go there.Wgolf (talk) 04:12, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Why Was My Page Deleted
I have only used wikipedia a couple of times on my account. But it has come to my attention that my page was recently deleted. I haven't made anything not suitable for children. If I was violating a rule, please tell me. I am sincerely sorry for anything against the rules I may have done. McKaylaCookie108 (talk) 10:43, 26 June 2019 (UTC) -you don't put personal info on your userpage.Wgolf (talk) 17:42, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019


Hello ,

More new features are being added to the feed, including the important red alert for previously deleted pages. This will only work if it is selected in your filters. Best is to 'select all'. Do take a moment to check out all the new features if you have not already done so. If anything is not working as it should, please let us know at NPR. There is now also a live queue of AfC submissions in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to review AfCs, but bear in mind that NPP is an official process and policy and is more important. Articles are still not always being checked thoroughly enough. If you are not sure what to do, leave the article for a more experienced reviewer. Please be on the alert for any incongruities in patrolling and help your colleagues where possible; report patrollers and autopatrolled article creators who are ostensibly undeclared paid editors. The displayed ORES alerts offer a greater 'at-a-glance' overview, but the new challenges in detecting unwanted new content and sub-standard reviewing do not necessarily make patrolling any easier, nevertheless the work may have a renewed interest factor of a different kind. A vibrant community of reviewers is always ready to help at NPR. The backlog is still far too high at between 7,000 and 8,000. Of around 700 user rights holders, 80% of the reviewing is being done by just TWO users. In the light of more and more subtle advertising and undeclared paid editing, New Page Reviewing is becoming more critical than ever. NPR is triage, it is not a clean up clinic. This move feature is not limited to bios so  you may have to slightly re-edit the text in the template before you save the move. Anything that is not fit for mainspace but which might have some promise can be draftified - particularly very poor English and machine and other low quality translations. Remember to use the message feature if you are just tagging an article for maintenance rather than deletion. Otherwise articles are likely to remain perma-tagged. Many creators are SPA and have no intention of returning to Wikipedia. Use the feature too for leaving a friendly note note for  the author of a first article you found well made or interesting. Many have told us they find such comments particularly welcoming and encouraging. Admins are now taking advantage of the new time-limited user rights feature. If you have recently been accorded NPR, do check your user rights to see if this affects you. Depending on your user account preferences, you may receive automated notifications of your rights changes. Requests for permissions are not mini-RfAs. Helpful comments are welcome if absolutely necessary, but the bot does a lot of the work and the final decision is reserved for admins who do thorough research anyway. School and academic holidays will begin soon in various places around the Western world. Be on the lookout for the usual increase in hoax, attack, and other junk pages.
 * WMF at work on NPP Improvements
 * QUALITY of REVIEWING
 * Backlog
 * Move to draft
 * Notifying users
 * PERM
 * Other news

Our next newsletter might be announcing details of a possible election for co-ordinators of NPR. If you think you have what it takes to micro manage NPR, take a look at New Page Review Coordinators - it's a job that requires a lot of time and dedication.

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Malvasia wine
Good morning, my sandbox was deleted in violation of G11, I would really appreciated if the person who did it had send to me a message explaining how to edit it so that it would meet the Wikipedia criteria before deleting it. It took me 2 hours to make it. I just want people to know about the story of the Malvasia Wine. I could have removed any reference to the producer (even if they do in fact own the PDO for this wine), even if I saw in other pages that sometime wine producers are named in the description, for example Vin Santo or Champagne. Please restore my sand box and explain me how to edit it so that it won't be deleted again. Thank you. Winelover10 (talk) 06:38, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

New article confusion
As you may have seen, I attempted to move my user sandbox page for Rokudou no Onna-tachi into the main wiki space, but I noticed that links to it gave me messages about it still being tagged as my userspace. I attempted to fix this, but I ended up moving the page back under the title of my userspace. I am very confused and I would like to know if the Rokudou no Onna-tachi page could be deleted so that I may try again by creating an entirely new article. Krushgarthe (talk) 22:17, 4 July 2019 (UTC)Krushgarthe
 * you might want to ask Help desk for help on that.Wgolf (talk) 22:19, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of user pages
Hello, User:Wgolf – I wanted to reach out and ask you to rethink the vigor with which you refer user pages for speedy deletion. Logging into Wikipedia to find your user page has been speedily deleted without detailed explanation (besides "writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals, where the owner has made few or no edits outside of userspace") is not a pleasant experience, and does not feel welcoming to newcomers. My user page contained a number of ways to contact me or see my work in other places on the internet. I understand how that might be misconstrued as advertising, so I've since replaced it to just include my email address. I have definitely made more than a few edits outside of userspace.

I really like the way Wikipedia talks about deleting user pages.

"Take special care to speak appropriately and explain the concern; many users will take it as a personal affront or attack if an unknown user announces they are going to delete a userspace image or page and an uncivil or heavy duty approach can discourage new users who are unaware of expectations and might enjoy contributing."

I think that Wikipedia is a really important resource and it will only continue to grow as long as it is a welcoming environment for new users as they learn to navigate editing. User pages are where most people start.

Other user pages you have nominated like this one contain no links, just autobiographical information – and I wonder what value there is in recommending user pages like this for removal? In cases like these, it seems to me any perceivable benefit of removing the page is negated by the fact you are likely to make a potential new user, editor, and supporter feel unwelcome.

We all have different knowledge about different things, and we are all learning. Some are not as familiar with the rules and expectations in complicated systems like Wikipedia. But please, please, understand that removing the personal page a user uses to represent themselves on a service feels very very discouraging and aggressive, and in my opinion should be a last resort.

I know for me it completely killed my motivation to keep learning about wikipedia editing practices and ways to contribute for a few weeks.

EJFox (talk) 03:05, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019
Hello ,

Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.
 * Backlog

A proposal is taking place here to confirm a nominated user as Coordinator of NPR.
 * Coordinator

Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for  making  the occasional  mistake while  others can learn from  their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.
 * This month's refresher course

Do bear in mind that articles in the feed showing the trash can icon (you will need to have 'Nominated for deletion' enabled for this in your filters) may have been tagged by inexperienced or non NPR rights holders using Twinkle. They require your further verification.
 * Deletion tags

Please be sure to look for the tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary. WMF policy requires paid editors to connect to their adverts.
 * Paid editing


 * Subject-specific notability guidelines' (SNG). Alternatives to deletion
 * Reviewers are requested to familiarise themselves once more with notability guidelines for organisations and companies.
 * Blank-and-Redirect is a solution anchored in policy. Please consider this alternative before PRODing or CSD. Note however, that users will often revert or usurp redirects to re-create deleted articles. Do regularly patrol the redirects in the feed.

Regular reviewers will appreciate the most recent  enhancements to  the New Pages Feed and  features in the Curation  tool, and there are still more to  come. Due to the wealth  of information  now displayed by  ORES, reviewers are strongly  encouraged to  use the system now rather than Twinkle; it  will  also  correctly  populate the logs.
 * Not English
 * A common issue: Pages not in English or poor, unattributed machine translations should not reside in main space even if they are stubs. Please ensure you are familiar with WP:NPPNE. Check in Google for the language and content, and if they do have potential, tag as required, then move to draft. Modify the text of the template as appropriate before sending it.
 * Tools

Stub sorting, by SD0001: A new script is available for adding/removing stub tags. See User:SD0001/StubSorter.js, It features a simple HotCat-style dynamic search field. Many of the reviewers who are using it are finding it an improvement upon other available tools.

Assessment: The script at User:Evad37/rater makes the addition of Wikiproject templates extremely easy. New page creators rarely do this. Reviewers are not obliged to make these edits but they only take a few seconds. They can use the Curation message system to let the creator know what they have done.

is now patrolling certain categories of uncontroversial redirects. Curious? Check out its patrol log.

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New Page Review newsletter November 2019
Hello ,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon. There are now holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action. Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays. Want to join? Consider adding the NPP Pledge userbox. Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards. Admin has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers. Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources. Would you like feedback on your reviews? Are you an experienced reviewer who can give feedback to other reviewers? If so there are two new feedback pilot programs. New Reviewer mentorship will match newer reviewers with an experienced reviewer with a new reviewer. The other program will be an occasional peer review cohort for moderate or experienced reviewers to give feedback to each other. The first cohort will launch November 13. The annual ArbCom election will be coming up soon. All eligible users will be invited to vote. While not directly concerned with NPR, Arbcom cases often lead back to notability and deletion issues and/or actions by holders of advanced user rights. There is to be no wish list for WMF encyclopedias this year. We thank Community Tech for their hard work addressing our long list of requirements which somewhat overwhelmed them last year, and we look forward to a successful completion. To opt-out of future mailings, you can remove yourself here MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:33, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Getting the queue to 0
 * Coordinator
 * This month's refresher course
 * Tools
 * It is now possible to select new pages by date range. This was requested by reviewers who want to patrol from the middle of the list.
 * It is now also possible for accredited reviewers to put any article back into the New Pages Feed for re-review. The link is under 'Tools' in the side bar.
 * Reviewer Feedback
 * Second set of eyes
 * Not only are New Page Reviewers the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work, especially while some routine tagging for deletion can still be carried out by non NPR holders and inexperienced users. Read about it at the Monitoring the system section in the tutorial. If you come across such editors doing good work, don't hesitate to encourage them to apply for NPR.
 * Do be sure to have our talk page  on your watchlist. There are often items that require reviewers' special attention, such as to watch out for pages by known socks or disruptive editors, technical issues and new developments, and of course to provide advice for other reviewers.
 * Arbitration Committee
 * Community Wish list

New Page Review newsletter December 2019


This year's Reviewer of the Year is. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.
 * Reviewer of the Year

Special commendation again goes to who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to and  who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.

Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.

Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.

(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)

A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by.
 * Redirect autopatrol

Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.
 * Source Guide Discussion

While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag. Delivered by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) at 16:11, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This month's refresher course

Stephane Ceretti
Hello.

I added some details to the page about Stephane Ceretti. I noted that you edited the page (although it was 5 years ago) and have an interest in film. I would appreciate your guidance on what is needed to be able to remove the "autobiography" tag. Finding reference information on actors is much easier. Thank you

-Francois — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngufra (talk • contribs) 16:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer newsletter February 2020
Hello ,

The first NPP source guide discussion is now underway. It covers a wide range of sources in Ghana with the goal of providing more guidance to reviewers about sources they might see when reviewing pages. Hopefully, new page reviewers will join others interested in reliable sources and those with expertise in these sources to make the discussion a success.
 * Source Guide Discussion

New to NPP? Looking to try something a little different? Consider patrolling some redirects. Redirects are relatively easy to review, can be found easily through the New Pages Feed. You can find more information about how to patrol redirects at WP:RPATROL.
 * Redirects


 * Discussions and Resources
 * There is an ongoing discussion around changing notifications for new editors who attempt to write articles.
 * A recent discussion of whether Michelin starred restaurants are notable was archived without closure.
 * A resource page with links pertinent for reviewers was created this month.
 * A proposal to increase the scope of G5 was withdrawn.

Geographic regions, areas and places generally do not need general notability guideline type sourcing. When evaluating whether an article meets this notability guideline please also consider whether it might actually be a form of WP:SPAM for a development project (e.g. PR for a large luxury residential development) and not actually covered by the guideline.
 * Refresher

Six Month Queue Data: Today – 7095 Low – 4991 High – 7095

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"Dirty Cash (ong)" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Dirty Cash (ong). Since you had some involvement with the Dirty Cash (ong) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Regards, SONIC  678  05:14, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer newsletter June 2020
Hello ,

NPP Sorting can be a great way to find pages needing new page patrolling that match your strengths and interests. Using ORES, it divides articles into topics such as Literature or Chemistry and on Geography. Take a look and see if you can find time to patrol a couple pages a day. With over 10,000 pages in the queue, the highest it's been since ACPERM, your help could really make a difference. In late February, Google added 5 new languages to Google Translate: Kinyarwanda, Odia (Oriya), Tatar, Turkmen and Uyghur. This expands our ability to find and evaluate sources in those languages.
 * Your help can make a difference
 * Google Adds New Languages to Google Translate
 * Discussions and Resources
 * A discussion on handling new article creation by paid editors is ongoing at the Village Pump.
 * Also at the Village Pump is a discussion about limiting participation at Articles for Deletion discussion.
 * A proposed new speedy deletion criteria for certain kinds of redirects ended with no consensus.
 * Also ending with no change was a proposal to change how we handle certain kinds of vector images.

Six Month Queue Data: Today – 10271 Low – 4991 High – 10271

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Proposed deletion of Brian O'Neal


The article Brian O'Neal has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp/dated tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:01, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Remember me?
I'm Kittiy0403 from 2015! ...you don't remember me aren't you? :( Kittiy0403 (talk) 00:16, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Bernhard Henrich for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Bernhard Henrich is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Bernhard Henrich until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:51, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Chrysta Bell
Article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysta_Bell was deleted by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimfbleak. 76.21.184.72 (talk) 08:46, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

NPP Award for 2019
Here is a barnstar to show appreciation for the NPP reviews you did back in 2019. We realize this is late, but NPP fell behind in some coordination activities. We are almost caught up. If you don't want to receive "old" barnstars, please just ignore this and reply to let us know not to send you any more. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:23, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Wgolf!


Happy New Year! Wgolf, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

Abishe (talk) 11:54, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Abishe (talk) 11:54, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

"Visions (TV series" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Visions_(TV_series&redirect=no Visions (TV series] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Gonnym (talk) 17:40, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

"In the Shadow of the Eagles(1966)" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=In_the_Shadow_of_the_Eagles(1966)&redirect=no In the Shadow of the Eagles(1966)] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 22:24, 5 January 2024 (UTC)