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The Nurses TV series...
Your point about the two The Nurses TV series articles over at WT:NCTV has got me to thinking that you are 100% right about those two articles needing to be merged. I'm a little busy the next few days, but I'm going to try to put some merge tags over at those articles, and start a discussion about this. But as the 1965 series is clearly a continuation of the 1962 series, just shifted to daytime from primetime (and switched to ABC from CBS), one article for both series makes the most sense in this case IMO. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:03, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah I think the case could be made. Looking at both articles, it looks like storylines did change somewhat and the cast is completely different according to the infobox. If there was more content for either page I'd keep them separate but they are both not much above stubs, so a merge may be more beneficial. -- Whats new?(talk) 06:53, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

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Jessica Dietrich
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I've just created an article for Seven News Sydney reporter Jessica Dietrich. Check it out when you have the time. MasterMind5991 (talk) 12:08, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've reviewed this article and note it has been AfDed, and regrettably, I agree that this reporter is likely not notable enough for an article at this time. Unfortuently, most television reporters aren't simply notable by appearing on television alone as a general reporter or journalist. -- Whats new?(talk) 00:40, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

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Australian television episode ratings
Hey, WN. Just letting you know that I made a few changes to Australian television episode ratings, to remove the hash symbol for ranks. Per MOS:HASH: "Avoid using the # symbol (known as the number sign, hash sign, or pound sign) when referring to numbers or rankings." Examples of this are the series overview at List of Arrow episodes, or the ratings table at Blindspot (TV series). Cheers. --  Alex TW 06:52, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, I was unaware of that policy, and I'm not sure I'm quite ready to get back into the world of template editing just yet! Thanks for the heads up-- Whats new?(talk) 07:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

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Australian survey, 2017 (Marriage)
Hey there, re Australian survey, 2017 (Marriage), I notice your edit summary here said "founding dates of parties not relevant", but your edit actually added them back in. I had removed them a few edits previously. I'm guessing you made a mistake in either the edit or the edit summary, but I'm not sure which so you might want to review. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 15:24, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that - I think I was undoing another edit at the same time and readded them by mistake. Thanks for picking that up, essentially my edit summary was correct. I'll take the columns back out. Sorry for the confusion. -- Whats new?(talk) 23:07, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

No consensus for this type of formatting???????
All rating metrics are rounded to thousands. Some publishers will round it further to 10 thousand units. Some publishers will use fractional units in millions and some like tvtonight will pad with ,000 so they don't need to declare the units used. The padding uses up unnecessary space and is misleading in that some people might not be able to workout the values are rounded. Also there should be some sort of consistency between units used in the season list table and the ratings table. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 01:31, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * How various websites choose to round or publish figures is not relevant to how they are presented here. I don't understand your argument as to people not working out "the values are rounded" - if the number is written in full it is pretty obvious there is no rounding. Rounding is commonplace for shows of 7 figures and above, but not for those under 7 figures as at The Wrong Girl (TV series). -- Whats new?(talk) 01:37, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The source figures are rounded to thousands which is obvious by the use of ",000" in place of a unit. Including the unnecessary ",000" could misled a reader in to thinking they are not rounded to thousands. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 01:48, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Australian ratings from OzTAM are ALWAYS released rounded to the nearest thousand. See, , for example. So again, I don't understand what you're saying because the figures ARE rounded. -- Whats new?(talk) 01:55, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


 * from which states 899,000 viewers could be taken to be an exact figure, whereas if it were written as 899k viewers or 899 thousand viewers makes it clear that the figure was rounded. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 02:06, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't think you understand mathematics. 899,000 = 899k = "899 thousand viewers." What evidence do you have that 899,000 ≠ 899k or 899,000 ≠ 899 thousand?-- Whats new?(talk) 02:12, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


 * It's not math, it's semantics. Declaring 899,000 could give the impression that the value wasn't rounded. Also OzTAM is inconsistent as they use millions for any thing over a million while using misleading ones for anything below instead of using thousands. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 02:27, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry but I don't think you've put a strong case forward. You're ignoring mathematics and accussing the source of ratings as having an inconsistency problem, neither of which justifies your change in my opinion. If you'd like to further explain, or otherwise enter dispute resolution proceedings for further opinion, I would be interested - but for now I'm going to revert your changes for a second time. -- Whats new?(talk) 02:31, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * You may also be interested that another IP (possibly yourself) have brought up a very similar issue in the past, see Talk:Finding Prince Charming and other editors agreed with the position I put forward -- Whats new?(talk) 02:36, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


 * What the???? That source doesn't even quote ",000" in listings.  Why the hell would anyone use it in the season table and bloat the column's width. And the point is the units in the season table figures should match the ones duplicated in the ratings table. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 02:45, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Because it is common practice with sub-7 figure viewership figures. At The Wrong Girl, both episode and ratings templates use the same units. -- Whats new?(talk) 02:49, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Please don't continue to make alterations before discussing. -- Whats new?(talk) 02:51, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Why does the template documentation for viewer_type state thousands as an example then??? 119.224.3.221 (talk) 02:52, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * You added that yourself -- Whats new?(talk) 02:55, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I was referring to episode table docs which I used as a ref for the other that states: The numeric format that viewers are grouped within the episode table. Set to "millions" by default. Including the parameter but leaving it blank will disclude the bracketed format. Format: thousands 119.224.3.221 (talk) 05:02, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * 'thousands' is given as the format, not the example, in an optional parameter -- Whats new?(talk) 05:31, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * format uses the most common parameter for the example when the default isn't used. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 07:05, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't see evidence of that, but in any case that's a little off topic. You're the one seeking to change, so per WP:BRD it should be widened to a further discussion if you still do not agree, because I don't think you have made a strong case for the change. -- Whats new?(talk) 07:57, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * If you look at the other uses of format: they all use the most common option as the parameters example. Therefore when viewers_type is used the most common usage according to the docs is to set it to thousands or 1000s, not to use a blank unit like you are using. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 22:55, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Also besides the template docs there is nothing that dictates the usage of viewers_type as you are doing and WP:IAR could also apply to whats stated in the docs. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 23:03, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The parameter is optional. You don't have to use it, and in this case there is no reasonable need to use it. The figures don't require rounding in the manner you're suggesting. -- Whats new?(talk) 03:19, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Your using the parameter to disable the default unit of millions and using a unit of thousands is not rounding anything as the fractional value is zero. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 05:36, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * No, the parameter doesn't need to be used at all. In fact, it wasn't before you added it per this diff -- Whats new?(talk) 06:17, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The viewers_type parameter has existed for ages which I never added. Your using it on pointless figures that have a zero value below a thousand due to source rounding, which is why the ratings and season table ratings should be either in millions or thousands.  119.224.3.221 (talk) 23:55, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It has existed in the template, but I'm saying you added the optional parameter to The Wrong Girl. It was not in use at that article before your edit, and I don't see a need for it to be used at all. -- Whats new?(talk) 00:13, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That's because the default millions was in use for figures below a million which was incorrect due to a zero value having be added for the non-fractional part and was not in line with the ratings section, which was and currently is STILL incorrect with the pointless zero values that are padding the figures out to a thousand. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 01:33, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It is fair to have both templates use the same format - but I disagree over your preferred format of three digits, and I don't see a compelling case to revert back to it, nor does there seem any other support in the similar previous discussion I mentioned earlier, or any other discussion or consensus, unless you can point to one I have not seen -- Whats new?(talk) 04:51, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Explain why padding the figures out with pointless zero values is compelling to you? It looks stupid and unnecessarily widens the columns, just as if you were to use millions and add a pointless "0." which isn't as bad as the longer ",000." 119.224.3.221 (talk) 05:25, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I disagree with your subjective view that "it looks stupid." I think to the average reader, writing "753" would imply to them that seven hundred and fifty-three viewers watched a show, where as "753,000" leaves no doubt that the rating was seven hundred and fifty-three thousand viewers. There is no Wikipedia policy on how wide or narrow a column should be, so 'narrowing a column' should not be a basis for how data is presented - clarity is far more important. When writing "2.83" viewers, it is clear to someone that 2 and 83/100 people did not watch a show - so it is more obvious the number is rounded. Writing "0.753" is in keeping with that idea, but when a show doesn't ever exceed one million viewers, there doesn't seem an obvious need to use it as a rounding point. You seem more intent on keeping columns narrow than ensuring a reader can easily identify and understand information presented in an article, and I don't think that is the right priority. -- Whats new?(talk) 06:53, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * What the???? It's not 753,000 that viewed the ep, it's an average of 753k rounded to the closest thousand as there is no way that if it weren't rounded that it would come out to be ",000."  You are the prime example of how a reader can think that that figures aren't rounded to the nearest thousand when they obviously are. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 23:09, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not claiming the number isn't rounded to the nearest thousand. Again, your issue is with presentation of content, and I don't see how the current method breaches WP:NUMBER, MOS:UNCERTAINTY or goes against any recent consensus on the subject. -- Whats new?(talk) 06:06, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


 * you stated "753,000" leaves no doubt that the rating was seven hundred and fifty-three thousand viewers, which implied that 753,000 is not rounded. There is absolutely NO reason to include the ",000" as it provides absolutely no value, wastes column width and can be misleading. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 06:22, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


 * And go use a ping instead of posting your pointless spam messages to the IP talk page. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 06:25, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, but you've now taken that quote out of context. That was in reference to writing "753" alone could leave doubt that 753 people watched a program - please don't twist my words like that. ",000" provides the value of clarity and per MOS:UNCERTAINTY it is often preferential to round with large numbers. 'Wasting column width' is not relevant. -- Whats new?(talk) 06:29, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * ",000" does NOT provide clarity, it lessen it by making someone think the number isn't rounded in thousands and is as pointless as the "0." in front of values listed in millions. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 14:27, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, pings do not work for IP addresses. My messages to read my replies are not spam. -- Whats new?(talk) 06:29, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Again, that's in your opinion which you don't have consensus for. Your argument is a variation of WP:IDONTLIKEIT -- Whats new?(talk) 02:48, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * No it's not. You don't seem to like using millions when no value is in millions.  This is the same thing as a table should not be listing the same pointless filler values whether they are tack on the end or leading. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 02:11, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I fear we're going round in circles here. You don't have consensus for your original changes, and I'd suggest you should either accept that or attempt to achieve it. -- Whats new?(talk) 12:52, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It's you!!!! One, it's standard practice to list millions of same day viewers in the main season table, two the ratings table is standard practice to list combined millions of viewers, which is from live and DVR, your Template:Australian_television_episode_ratings was never needed as the only difference between that and the standard Template:Television_episode_ratings one is the stupid and confusing use of the term consolidated which is meant to mean same as the DVR term.   Personally, columns should say same day viewers; 7+ days viewers'; and Total viewers.  119.224.3.221 (talk) 21:23, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

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Episode summaries
I must ask why you haven't deleted the summaries made for Australian Survivor (season 3)? They are consistent with those made for the US version - the summary written for the last episode alone is more than 500 words, and the summary of the first ever episode is more than 300. All I was trying to do was make the page of the latest season of Australian Survivor consistent to all the others, at the moment it looks ugly and incomplete. If you're unhappy with the summaries maybe we should remove the Episodes subheading altogether. And also I would hardly call what I wrote a blow-by-blow analysis of the episode, it completely conforms with every other plot summary written for the Survivor episodes. Kapitan110295 (talk) 01:13, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
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You are invited to join the discussion on the talk page, which has been running and widely signposted since the beginning of last month. The change I made reflects the views of those editors who have contributed. On the minor issue of series's, this reflects correct usage as per MoS:POSS, but it is of course possible to turn the phrase around and say nationality of a tv series if you prefer. The series'  you have restored is not correct since series in that context is singular. Kind regards, MapReader (talk) 06:31, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I dropped off a note about MOS:POSS myself without realizing MapReader had already done so. I've self-reverted that new talk section as redundant.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:01, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

New content on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zumbo%27s_Just_Desserts#Winner_reveal_in_first_paragraph
It seems clear to me that the spirit of WP:SPOILERS is a call for common sense and makes a case for removal of misused, informal spoiler warnings. While I agree that the text does not explicitly ban summary paragraph spoilers, it also does not state that they must be in the opening paragraph. That an action is not explicitly banned does not justify the action. Would a reasonable person loudly sing the lyrics to "Surfin' Bird" at every restaurant visit, then leave a scathing review no matter the dining experience? Of course there are other articles among Wikipedia's millions that also do not technically break the letter of the law. There are millions of articles. That said, those seeking general information about a series, e.g. to find whether it meets their interests as my wife did for example, clearly would not want the end revealed in the opening paragraph. The examples above make an interesting point, however this article covers a television series, not an outside event event such as the Boston Marathon. A more specific entry for television us MOS:TVLEAD, which states: "The lead paragraphs of an article should serve both as a quick introduction to the topic, and as a concise overview of the article itself, as per the Lead section style guideline. For example, an article on a television series should begin with basic information about the show, such as when it first premiered, genre(s) and setting, who created/developed the show, its primary broadcasting station (typically the studio that produces the show), and when the show stopped airing (the first airing of the final episode), etc." An example lead is then given which does just that -- provides a high-level overview of the content, without mention of specific events, just as the first paragraph of this article does except for the last sentence in question. Season-specific articles (those I have looked at; there are many) are the same, even those with multiple paragraphs such as The_Simpsons_(season_10). I am not advocating removal of the content and never have, only that mention of the specific event be moved out of the opening paragraph and into a section that more appropriately contains such details.

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I'm not sure what you're referring to, because your comment had nothing to do with my edit. I reverted "program" back to "series" because "drama program" is not actually Australian English. I couldn't care less whether one uses "program" or "programme" and don't think I actually altered any of those (if I did, it was by accident - there were a lot of edits needing reverting), which was the subject of your RfC - which said nothing about "series". The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 01:39, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

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is suitable for some - the text in the two articles suggest it is the same person - please if you can - make more effort to identify why and how it is not the same person with good reliable sources WP:RS JarrahTree 03:23, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but as you were the editor who PRODed the article, I would have thought you put more effort into checking for yourself. Apart from the fact there are numerous interviews with both individuals, they have performed in separate roles, there is a large age gap between them, and they have performed side-by-side on 9 seasons of Shaun Micallef's Mad as Hell, here is one of several pictures of them together -- Whats new?(talk) 03:43, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * as to my methods please see my user page, eccentric items - thank you very much for the links - JarrahTree 04:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

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Australian television episode ratings
Hey there. Concerning Australian television episode ratings, I was debating on using it for Doctor Who, but I believe the name wouldn't suit it. As the template creator, would you be opposed if I renamed it to Television episode ratings/consolidated or something similar, as a sub-template of Television episode ratings? Cheers. --  Alex TW 13:06, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't mind, although it was designed for the Australian ratings system, so I'm not sure if it can be easily applied to other country viewership systems so readily -- Whats new?(talk) 20:24, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The UK has a pretty similar system, in which they released overnight information, then consolidated/total ratings 7 days later. This template would fit even better than the US one, given the UK's recent four screen ratings, which includes laptop, smartphone and tablet viewing alongside the traditional television ratings. --  Alex TW 00:40, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, for now, I've just created the new title as a redirect, so I can use the template without its name as a trial run, to see how it works. If you're curious, you can see it at Doctor Who (series 11). Cheers. --  Alex TW 01:28, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That looks like a good idea. UK and AU are closer in ratings systems, but there's still some key differences - the UK releases more data for example, so depending on how it goes, a UK version down the track might even be a possibility. But a redirect works for now as you say -- Whats new?(talk) 04:44, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

CNN Newsroom (International TV program)
FTR, I do not agree with this edit – that RM was highly contentious and while there was generally consensus that it should be moved, there really was not consensus on "what to move it to". IOW, if a second RM was held on that, I'm not at all sure the outcome would be the same. Pinging to see if he agrees or not... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:46, 30 October 2018 (UTC) This is a category for television articles that use a disambiguation style that does not follow WP:NCTV, or are WP:INCDAB, however a consensus was not reached on changing them. Articles with irregular titles that had a contentious move discussion which resulted in a consensus to move can also be placed here. --Gonnym (talk) 13:13, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * To be honest, the wording of the category was just me trying to figure out how best to describe the category to reduce the amount of reverts being done. These categories are used for tracking and maintenance so that we'll be able to keep track of articles with issues. In this scenario, while the article title change was one I supported (for lack of better option), I don't disagree that the title is disputed and also irregular per the naming conventions. I, personally, also don't see a problem with tagging categories. They are hidden, so only people who enable hidden categories can view them or people editing the category list. No real harm in keeping it there. A solution can be to change the description of the category to something along the lines of:
 * I understand both your points, but what is the point of keeping it in that category? I would have thought the goal was to encourage a move to a better title, achieved through a move discussion. Imperfect or not, such a discussion was held, an editor closed the discussion and moved the page. I'm not really sure what else you both want. If you're not happy with its new title either, that's fine (I don't love it but it's better than it was), and pages can be moved again should consensus change or new naming guidelines formed, but for right now I would argue that the article has been discussed, moved and at least improved. In other words, it doesn't meet the category requirements as described or even implied. -- Whats new?(talk) 21:53, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I see these entries as pieces of information. We gather the information. Currently, it means nothing as it's just a one-off item, but later on, from my experience, a pattern will emerge which might give us info on how to adjust our guidelines. This item was disputed not for "I don't like it" or "Don't agree" reasons, but because the guideline was not followed. What can we do to fix it? Maybe if we encounter a few more of these odd-items we'll know better. --Gonnym (talk) 22:03, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The category is called "Television articles with disputed naming style" and following a discussion, in which the closing editor remarked it "...tick the boxes of being recognizable enough, precise enough, and satisfying the spirit of NCTV." On that basis, it is not a "disputed naming style" any longer. -- Whats new?(talk) 22:07, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you are arguing. Are you arguing that the name wasn't disputed or that a closer closed the discussion as moved? You can't call that discussion not disputed. 3 of us were in favour of the title moved, and 2 weren't. That's a pretty much disputed title. Also, could you tell me how this hidden tracking category even affects anything? I really can't believe we're getting to the point of needing a RfC if a hidden category can be added or not... --Gonnym (talk) 22:12, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The name was disputed, a discussion was opened, and a decision was taken as a result. I'm not opposed to the tracking category, but I suppose I don't understand what its point is if it remains disputed even after a discussion is held and action taken. How does the article become 'undisputed' then? The article can't follow NCTV as written, so it required additional disambiguation. NCTV says for that section: If the year, country, or a combination of both is still insufficient to disambiguate the topic, an appropriate genre or format word ("animated TV series" or "anime", "telenovela", "soap opera", "sitcom", etc.) can then be considered for use via a page move request which is effectively what occured. What more is achieved by retaining it in this tracking category? -- Whats new?(talk) 22:19, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It was actually this way - a name was identified as being incorrectly titled, a discussion was opened, a decision was taken as a result and since it was disputed and felt needed to be tracked, it was added to the category. It might help if you look at the two categories like this - Category:Television articles with incorrect naming style is a maintenance category. Articles in this category need to be moved out of here. Category:Television articles with disputed naming style is a tracking category. Articles in this category are problematic for some reason. They might one day leave this category and they might not leave. Currently it's helpful to keep track of them. --Gonnym (talk) 22:33, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, I suppose I understand the distinctions. I'm not sure I see much value in it still, and personally I feel the title and descriptions could be misleading as to their intent, but I'm not looking to make a big thing of it. -- Whats new?(talk) 22:36, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

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Why did you undo all my changes to Ten Network Holdings? That company name was delisted and is no longer in use. The company is now officially Network Ten Pty Limited. All the updated information is from their website: https://tenplay.com.au/corporate/about J Bar (talk) 23:31, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * As I said in the edit summary, the change of corporate name was unsourced in the article. I'm not suggesting you made it up, but such a change must be reliably sourced -- Whats new?(talk) 00:35, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The reference at the end of that sentence has a press release from Network Ten Pty Limited. All press releases after that date have the name of the new company. There are a number of them attached to the article. J Bar (talk) 09:35, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

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List of Australian television series
I understand that some rebooted shows were placed in the wrong section "Future shows" rather than "In production" but rather than move them you keep deleting them entirely. I've had to reinstate the following already: If there are any other errors, can you please move rather than delete? J Bar (talk) 05:21, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The Super Switch (Seven Network 2019–)
 * Wife Swap (Lifestyle 2012–2013, Seven Network 2019–)
 * Zumbo's Just Desserts (Seven Network 2016-)
 * Sorry, I assumed they would already be in the list, given they were existing series and should have been in either "In production" or "Production ended" already. -- Whats new?(talk) 05:42, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries. They were originally in "Production ended" but I moved them because they were rebooted and added the new start date. Just needed to be in "In production". I hope there haven't been any other such deletions because I only noticed these recent ones. J Bar (talk) 03:22, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Your conduct
On the advice given at WP:DWH, I am contacting you here in the hopes that we can find resolution to some disruptive behavior I've noticed in your interactions with me, mostly in certain move requests, which appears to be WP:HOUNDING in nature. I am confident this began shortly after you opened WT:NCTV which I opposed on Dec. 23rd and later had some back-and-forth discussion. Prior to that, to my recollection, we have had only a very few interactions.

Having looked back in your edit history on article talk pages, I don't see that you've participated very many move requests prior to that day, certainly not regularly enough to be significant - maybe 1-2 per month and almost always related to Australian topics. Ever since Dec 23rd, though, you seem to have found yourself in many move requests discussions - almost all of which where I have participated and outside your usual interest area. One way to visualize this is using the editor interaction analyzer showing the pages you and I have interacted on since Dec 23rd, and showing how your votes are always after mine - sometimes by minutes. Your votes have also been in (often vigorous) opposition to my votes - to a degree which I don't think can be attributed to chance.

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 * I'm sorry you feel this way, but I assure you I am not "hounding" you. My contributions are generally on Australian and television topics, the latter an area you frequent as well, so it should not be surprising we edit or contribute to similar topics in this space. The interaction analyzer you refered to is, in my view, not very many edits. My increase in participating in requested move discussions has nothing to do with you nor any other individual, it is simply by virtue of me taking a keener interest in how Wikipedia guidelines are applied and reviewing the daily WikiProject Television/Article alerts update through my watchlist. I often disagree with your viewpoint, as I'm sure others do as well from time to time. Please don't take it personally. I am not stalking you, and respectfully, I think you are looking into my editing habits a little too closely. I don't, however, apologise for putting forward my point of view when it runs contrary to you or others, nor for taking an intereset where I do. I'm not sure what you 'escalating' would be, but if you are not satisfied with my response here, escalate away. I do not intend to stop contributing to media-related discussions. Thanks, -- Whats new?(talk) 09:08, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Speaking of this, Netoholic is at it again – this kind of edit is unacceptable, as this is not an "incorrect" name, and I believe Netoholic knows it. I have no idea what to do about this, but he is basically edit warring and "gaming" at this redirect. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:25, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

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Meet the Hockers
Hi just wondering why did you remove the information about Hock Your ride? — Preceding unsigned comment added by VavoMedia (talk • contribs) 12:05, 2 April 2019 (UTC) The information is not particularily notable to the program, reads like WP:PROMOTION, and the included link fails WP:EXTERNALLINK. Further, the additions has no references from reliable sources, failing WP:VERIFIABLE. -- Whats new?(talk) 22:13, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for the reply - we will improve more to spec but please see below also can google meet the hockers hock your ride : http://www.meetthehockers.com.au/hock-your-ride/ https://www.finder.com.au/meet-the-hockers-s1-ep5

The text was adjusted from what foxtel wrote about hock your ride.

Hock Your Ride was in 2 episodes and you will see more in session 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by VavoMedia (talk • contribs) 14:36, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I would suggest reading WP:NOTABILITY and WP:VERIFIABILITY, as well as WP:PROMOTION. The text you are seeking to add reads more like an advertorial for a company, rather than encyclopedic information. There are many products and companies featured in television programs, but few are notable enough to warrant inclusion in an encyclopedia article. Primary sources can rarely be used as a source in this regard. There would need to be substansial coverage in secondary sources, which there are not. -- Whats new?(talk) 04:39, 5 April 2019 (UTC)