User talk:Whatswrongwithyou

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I suggest you self revert your changes to Northern Ireland - they may be true, but they are unreferenced and likely to be controversial. Propose the changes on the talk page and get consensus before making them.-- Snowded TALK  17:46, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "unreferenced". My reference is the result of the 1918 UK general election. Indeed, earlier and later elections also show that Fermanagh and Tyrone had at the time of partition, and still have, nationalist majorities. Currently only Antrim and Down have unionist majorities. The only certain way to gauge political opinion is through election results.

Whatsthematterwithyou


 * I added a welcome note on the basis that you are a new editor. You placed no reference in the text and your argument (which I personally agree with) is probably WP:OR.  That requires you not to draw conclusions based on material, but to use a third party source for the sort of claims you are making.  On these articles you need to follow the 1RR restriction above and also read WP:BRD.  Sorry to throw all that at you, but these are controversial pages and the sooner you learn the rules the more effective you will be.  I and others will be happy to help out if you need anything.  -- Snowded  TALK  19:05, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Snowded. I am only just getting started. My username came about because I couldn't seem to create an account, but ironically when in frustration I used "whatswrongwithyou" as a username I managed to get it right. It seems to me to be an empirical fact that only 4 counties had unionist majorities in 1918. Indeed, partition was first mentioned in 1911 after the veto powers of the House of Lords were removed, which for the first time meant that home rule was a political possibility. A liberal MP suggested that the 4 counties with unionist majorities be separated from the other 28. I am happy to remove commentary, but I cannot see why the facts can not remain. Could this be reworded "in the last general election before partition, 4 counties had a majority of votes cast for candidates of parties supporting the union, and 28 counties had a majority of votes cast for parties that did not support continuing the union"?

What I can't understand, and what sparked me to edit the article, was the statement unsupported by any backup "the remaining three counties (including County Donegal, which had a large Protestant minority and was the most northern county in all of Ireland) joined those of Leinster, Munster and Connacht to form Southern Ireland." How is the unsupported assertion that Donegal had a large protestant minority allowable, whilst my assertion backed up by the results of a general election that Fermanagh and Tyrone had nationalist majorities not allowable? In fact the article seems currently to imply that perhaps protestants/unionists were hard done by because a county in which they were a minority (and a small enough minority at that) was not included in Northern Ireland, whilst ignoring the fact that two counties with catholic/nationalist MAJORITIES did not get to join Southern Ireland.

Whatswrongwithyou
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 * I strongly recommend you self revert and discuss the change first -- Snowded  TALK  23:15, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Whatswrongwithyou,

I'm not sure if the edit by 86.43.102.57 was you editing while (accidentally) signed out of you account. If it was then, so you know, the edit I made was to add spaces before brackets (which you had not left) and to put the link you supplied into a properly formatted reference. Raw URLs are not how to properly reference statements of fact on Wikipedia. Please also do not link to other wikipedia article using absolute URLs (as you did here).

As the Northern Ireland page is under a WP:1RR restriction, I will not be able to fix these until tomorrow evening. If you could, please revert to the properly formatted version (which contains your edit and a link to the reference you supplied). That would be much appreciated.

Welcome to Wikipedia. Don't worry about making mistakes like these. You'll pick up referencing and stuff like that as you go along. And don't be put of because one of your first edits apparently got your in 'trouble' with other editors around here. Some of the best editors start of like this.

(BTW, you may reconsider your choice of user name, "Whatswrongwithyou" sounds quite aggressive. I would particularly recommend changing to a more neutral-sounding username if you are considering editing Ireland-related article. These topics can be a tinder box and an aggressive sounding user name won't make life easier for you. You can change it here.)

Best regards, and welcome again, --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 00:19, 11 January 2010 (UTC)