User talk:Whiskeymouth

I am very calm. I observe the rules. Bullies and those that cause trouble don't like the upright and logical way that I act. Thanks for the barnstar. However, good does not always rule over evil as I probably will stop editing because of their aggressive behavior. It's not worth wasting time over them. In the long run, Wikipedia loses because of their disruption. Whiskeymouth (talk) 04:49, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

July 2016
You have been blocked from editing for a period of three months for abusing multiple accounts. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but using them for illegitimate reasons is not, and that any contributions made while evading blocks or bans may be reverted or deleted. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. Bbb23 (talk) 21:17, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Unblock request
Please kindly consider this and do not approach this with an attitude of trying to justify the establishment and a block. Thank you in advance for your open mindedness.

I want to be blocked but it should be 48 hours, not 3 months. This is because I support admins but disagree with the long block duration.

I request unblock because the checkuser actually proved me innocent. Here's a summary. Winkelvi and Softlavender are very disruptive and have battleground behavior and used the checkuser to get back at them because administrator NeilN determined that their specious explanations of harassing and following me were not credible [] when admin NeilN wrote "1), given your AFD participation histories Winkelvi and Softlavender, it defies belief that both of you would suddenly happen upon Whiskeymouth's AFD nomination at random." Softlavender and Winkelvi followed me to an obscure AFD and wanted to spite me. They also did meatpuppetry very often. []. [], [], [], etc.

To try to avoid battleground behavior, I consulted NeilN and followed his instructions to the letter of an interaction ban between those bad editors and even suggested other conditions that would help. Softlavender ignored the administrator, NeilN, writing "no comment".

The bottom line is that I was found innocent of all of these socks but the checkuser did find a user named "Maserati Turbo" which edited a few times and not in articles that I edit. I did not edit under that user. The checkuser did not say that I am this user. It is wrong to use this as an excuse to block me, which acts to give Winkelvi and Softlavender glee and official approval of their battleground behavior.

It is so bad that Winkelvi and Softlavender are so aggressive, try to abuse the checkuser by running it on me and asking them to fish out socks, find many suspected users are not related to me and then block me for 3 months for something that I did not do. Note that Winkelvi has been blocked 10 times, which is incredible. Note that if you unblock me, I have a ceasefire which NeilN brokered and I agreed to.

Even another user gave me a barnstar for being harassed by Winkelvi and Softlavender and the checkuser showed that I am not that user. REMEMBER that socks must have behavioral evidence (you being an admin should know this) and user:Maserati Turbo is definitely a different kind of editor, editing different topics, etc. Thank you very much for your consideration,Whiskeymouth (talk) 05:43, 2 July 2016 (UTC)}}


 * A side note. It would be useful for an admin to talk with Softlavender and Winkelvi to let them know that their behavior is not that of a model Wikipedian and outstanding editor. Do you see any battleground behavior by them? Whiskeymouth (talk) 05:53, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


 * If unblocked, I want to ask you about a name change so Winkelvi and Softlavender will stop attacking me. This is permitted. I can just close this account to make it legal. Whiskeymouth (talk) 05:58, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

There are so many misstatements of fact in your recital that I'm tempted to revoke your Talk page access. If the personal attacks and the false statements continue, I will. The discussion you're referring to is here. never "determined" that "give your AFD participation ...", etc. He set that forth as your claim against Winkelvi and Softlavender. You complained about the filing of the SPI against you. Neil responded that he had told Winkelvi that opening an SPI was fine if they had "believable evidence" and "Looking at the SPI, it seems that burden has been met."

Neil did not broker a "ceasefire". His last comment was that he had not "formalized the interaction ban" and that any "truce" was violated by your closure of the AfD.

You said that my check proved you "innocent". That's not true, either. I found that you were unrelated to the accounts listed as sock puppets. But I also found that you were ✅ to Maserati Turbo. As for MT, my check did say that you were editing under that account. Your statement that Whiskeymouth and MT did not edit any of the same pages is also false. Both accounts edited Trump Force One. Whiskeymouth edited it not too long before you were blocked, and MT edited at during the block. Although both accounts did not edit List of things named after Donald Trump, it's a related article. And one of the more curious pages that both of you edited is Winkelvi's Talk page. While Winkelvi was blocked and with an unblock request pending, MT said "I recommend that this person be unblocked. He may have learned his lesson after being blocked about a dozen times recently." That's a very curious thing to say. First, why would a brand new account even be looking at an unblock request from another editor? Second, you managed to get in the lengthy block log of the editor, even though you are ostensibly supporting them. The technical evidence finding the two accounts related was conclusive. The behavioral evidence is equally strong.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:35, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Unblock / uninvolved user
Background: I am a uninvolved user. Judging from the syntax of Whiskeymouth, I believe I am from a different country than him. In my country, many of us do not speak English, but speaks our official language. I say this because I am not this other editor. It is sad when, in Wikipedia, we must go through these lengths to say this.

I have read Wikipedia for many years but temporarily stopped editing due to unprofessional conduct by many, making it inhospitable.

Statement: Blocking of Whiskeymouth is UNJUSTIFIED AND BIASED. So is blocking of Thank you very much wiki. Please unblock both.

Reasons: I concur with Whiskeymouth that Winkelvi (signature = WV) and Softlavender have wrongly attacked WM and should be blocked themselves. They fooled WM around and harassed him. They turned him over to the checkuser, which found facts supporting WM.

Fact 1: WM did not engage in sockpuppetry. He is denies being Maserati Turbo. My analysis is that those two are separate people and edit different articles. MT is didn't even edit much.

Fact 2: WM'S original block is very questionable and questionably wrong. He presumably got Softlavender and Winkelvi, two collaborating (possibly meatpuppets) and very disruptive editors mixed up. When WV was blocked for the 9th time (!), he stopped editing under that name. WM got the two mixed up and congratulated him for not being disruptive for several days and weeks, then released the mixed up and within minutes removed his message. THIS IS LIKELY TO MAKE WM FEEL VICTIMIZED FOR BEING BLOCKED A MONTH FOR SUCH ERROR OF MEMORY. Now that is being used as a technical reason to block him for 3 months using the shaky reason that WM and MT are socks when they are two users with no overlap and MT is basically inactive.

Reason 3: Winkelvi and Softlavender are the ones that should be blocked for disruptive behavior, harassment (passive agressive), and meatpuppetry though I would suggest, at least a strong warning. Absent a warning only encourages battleground behaviour.

Reason 4: Mention of user:Thank you very much wiki is outing and should lead to sanctions to Winkelvi and Softlavender for complaining. If Tim Bosnia and Thank You are the same, they do not violate any sock rules but could be a name change. User Evelyn Mann may be Tim's girlfriend and freely acknowledged being told of a situation which she commented on. That is full disclosure not sockpuppetry. To block all 3 is WRONG and shows lack of professional judgement.

Reason 5: I am so disappointed at Wikipedia and those that are involved with WM blockage that I am sticking my neck out to comment.

Comment: WM, if unblocked, you should change your name AND be a model Wikipedia user. Administrators should allow this


 * Support I support unblocking and my recommendations to WM. WV and Softlavender have committed a pattern of disruptive meatpuppetry and blocking them is appropriate. I recommend at least counseling and warning to them . In short, I find the blocking grossly unjust because it is using a technical reason and ignoring that it is based on an erroneous first block and also ignoring the bad behaviour of WV and Softlavender, which is the root cause of the problem. Wawaxi (talk) 06:39, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Death of Prince
Hello Whiskeymouth,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Death of Prince for deletion, because it appears to duplicate an existing Wikipedia article, [].

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Tushi Talk To Me  10:34, 30 August 2016 (UTC)