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Inky Gibbens
Hi, here's the content, in a compact format :) Regards, --Tone 14:51, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Inky Gibbens is a British-Mongolian multilingualism advocate. In 2016, she founded Tribalingual, a startup teaching online language classes. She speaks four languages (English, Russian, Mandarin, and Mongolian) fluently.

Bio
Gibbens has an MA in the Social and Political Sciences at Glasgow University and MRes in Anthropology at Aberdeen University, focusing on the Buryats in Siberia. She was born to an English father and Buryat mother.

Tribalingual
While working on her PhD in sociolinguistics, Gibbens realized that the language of her ancestors, Buryat, was classified as an endangered language. "The only [other] way I could learn the language was by going to Siberia," she realized. She then created Tribalingual, a startup to help people learn endangered languages to help connect learners to resources in those languages. She has also given a TEDx talk on the project.

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User:Whisperjanes/sandbox
Would you consider separating some or all of these drafts to draftspace? I think this would make it easier for people to work on them. You could certainly keep a linked list of them in your sandbox or a userspace so you don't lose track of them. Some interesting subjects. Keep up the great work and enjoy life. FloridaArmy (talk) 14:41, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Someone was kind enough to add a film to an actress article I was working on. Marie Conway Oemler wrote the story it was based on. If you want to start an article on her I'd be happy to help. FloridaArmy (talk) 13:49, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the recommendation! I started Draft:Marie Conway Oemler if you'd like to check it out. There seem to be a lot of good sources out there on her.
 * Also, I'd be happy to separate my sandbox drafts to draftspace. It will definitely make it easier for me and others to work on those drafts. I just need to set some time aside to move them all over and clean some of them up. Thanks for both of the recommendations :) - Whisperjanes (talk) 00:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Maud Wilder Goodwin
Seems like a fun one. I find that era fascinating. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:10, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Mary Eliza Young Waugh
Was a miniaturist. Are you more onterested in living subjects or historical? FloridaArmy (talk) 11:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm equally interested in both living and historical subjects.
 * Also, I couldn't find any substantial info on Mary Waugh (all I could find were passing mentions, and she's called by many names, including Eliza Waugh and Eliza Young). I don't think I can start a draft on her, but here's what I found (for future reference):
 * Her maiden name (or her name before marriage to Waugh) seemed to be Mary Eliza Young. She was the second wife of Samuel Waugh. She worked as a miniaturist at least in 1841, and at one point painted "Jenny Lind" (although I'm not sure if it was the opera singer or not). She was somehow associated with the Pennsylvania Academy of Fine Arts, but I'm not sure how. I couldn't find much else. Here are the links for some of the info:


 * Short Bio that I can't access - Excerpt only really says she's an American miniature artist
 * Mentions she was associated with the Pennsylvania Academy of Fine Arts in Philadelphia, but doesn't say how
 * Mention of two of her pieces for sale: “Wedding Scene from Lalla Rookh” and “Moonlight on the Ocean”
 * Two sentences about her (only mentions that she worked in 1841 as miniaturist)
 * Mentions that Jenny Lind was a subject of one of her miniatures
 * Shows she was the second wife of Samuel B. Waugh
 * - Whisperjanes (talk) 16:25, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmmmmmm. Apologies. My mistake. I must have seen lots of results because she has several notable family family members. talk) 16:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No, no worries at all! I still appreciate you sending her name, since I got to learn a bit and I enjoy the challenge of searching for historical figures sometimes. I just thought I'd let you know what I found either way :) - Whisperjanes (talk) 23:28, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Christine Dell'Amore
How about this one? FloridaArmy (talk) 00:50, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Ethelyn Gibson
This one I know you're going to love. My attempts at article suggestions are no laughing matter. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:08, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I began researching this woman (pretty interesting!) when you first suggested it. But I've been starting to get aura migraines recently so I've been mostly staying away from screens the past week or so (which led to taking a break from Wikipedia for awhile). Just thought I let you know since I wasn't able to reply to the last couple of messages you left! And thanks for all the suggestions so far -- I'll get back to researching them when I'm feeling better :) Hope you're doing well! - Whisperjanes (talk) 04:56, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

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A bowl of strawberries for you!

 * , thanks for the strawberries! I'm glad you enjoyed the article :) - Whisperjanes (talk) 15:53, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

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Breakfast edits
On my talk page, you said: ''"Hi there! I saw that you reverted an edit on Breakfast, saying "No use for alternate descriptions".

I was wondering if you had an additional explanation or reason? Usually alt text is read by screen readers to assist people who are visually impaired (see Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images). I was planning on adding back the alt description, but thought I would ask first. Thanks!"'' - Whisperjanes (talk) 03:08, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment. As I read those alternate captions, I asked: "why these descriptions, and are they adding details that the existing caption doesn't?" I hadn't seen caption edits containing alternate caption details for other food-related articles. I accept your explanation for providing additional caption content for the visually-impaired, and will revert my own edit. Thanks. Zefr (talk) 16:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I appreciate it. Best, - Whisperjanes (talk) 16:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

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Huma Mulji
Dear Whisperjanes, you put COI tag to the page of Huma Mulji. I have rewritten the article and added sources (there was also a draft, so I merged useful information). The parts added by editor Huma mulji were removed (it was an unsourced compilate of copied texts). Do you see there any more problems or is it ok to remove the COI tag? I am also asking because another editor asked for Admin help and the article is waiting. In this case, I am not sure if we can remove the tag once the issue is solved. Thank you very much. Bibliof (talk) 08:50, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * These edits look great! You can go ahead and remove the tag (and the fanpov tag), since it seems to be rewritten and well-sourced. If you can, would you also add a note/reply on my original COI message on the talk page, and just mention that you've rewritten it? Then others will know in the future that it's already been handled. I have two other concerns -- 1. Do you know where the copied text was from? If it was a copyright violation, then you may want to post it on Copyright problems or add a  template on the article so that someone can come and scrub the copyrighted material from the edit history. 2. The content cited to https://www.plymouthart.ac.uk/studying/staff-profiles/huma-mulji is from a Lecturer bio, which are often self-written, or at the least, not independent, so it should either meet the criteria for WP:SELFSOURCE or just be used sparingly for basic details. I would reconsider using it for the Visiting Artist info or where her artwork has been exhibited. Either way, thank you so much for taking the time to clean up the article! It looks great now. Best, - Whisperjanes (talk) 18:03, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your answer and advice. -- 1. I just put the sentences to Google and found it somewhere. But I cannot be 100% sure who copied from who. The text was in Wikipedia article for some time, so it could be vice versa. Anyway, it was an unsourced text on the Wikipedia page and was not in encyclopedic style, so I just removed it. 2. It didn’t come to my mind, but you are right. I left the citation for statement about the Plymouth College of Arts and for one more statement with two additional sources. For others, I found better sources. One is The New York Times, which is even better for notability of the artist. So thanks again. Bibliof (talk) 04:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you again for all your hard work! :) - Whisperjanes (talk) 01:47, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

User template
Hey there, just responding to your question about fixing the template on my user page. If you could do that I'd appreciate it, I thought it looked off but I have no idea what I did wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CongregationDaniel (talk • contribs) 16:19, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and fixed it - Hope this helps! The templates can be tricky to use at first. Let me know if you need help with anything else in the future :) - Whisperjanes (talk) 19:35, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

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Book sourcing
Hello, Whisperjanes. You commented on my talk page concerning the article I am currently sourcing, rewriting and restructuring about Cherokee Society. I have found multiple books which detail the Naming Ceremony and would like to source them but I want to do it properly. As I am rather new to Wikipedia I wanted to ask how you suggest properly sourcing the book(s). Thanks, Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:11, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi there! I recommend using the toolbar that shows up at the top of the editing window when you click to edit an article - you can see a picture of it here: WP:INTREF3. If you click on "Cite" and then "Templates", there should be an option to "cite book". This allows you to fill out whichever sections you think are necessary (I usually include author, title, publisher, page number, and sometimes ISBN), and then you can add it simply by clicking "Insert" at the bottom. It will format it correctly for you, automatically. If you rather type it all yourself, however, you can look at Template:Cite book as a reference. Best - Whisperjanes (talk) 20:09, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe I have it looking better. I left the self-published sources because they do have relevant information but cited books and other more reliable sources as well. If you get time, check out my book sources here and make sure you think they look right to you. There isn't an ISBN for the paper written for the Smithsonian Institution by William Gilbert, Jr. but I think that was an awesome find so I included his terminology as well as the traditional names for each of the ceremonies.Tsistunagiska (talk) 20:17, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The new sources look great, thanks for adding them! I might do a little cleaning up and adding to the references themselves, but otherwise, it looks good so far. - Whisperjanes (talk) 20:30, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I see what you are saying. I will work on that tomorrow. Just finished my third task of the day, lunch, and now I have to move to my next task of the day which is preparing to feed my army again (dinner). Some are tired from clearing trails all day (I go with them sometimes but felt a little weird today so I stayed back), others from training our dogs and the rest will be getting home from school (My sister-in-law teaches them at her house). Thank you so much for writing me and giving me the tips you have. I appreciate it more than I can express.Tsistunagiska (talk) 20:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm glad I could help! I really appreciate chatting with you as well, and the work you're doing. Lots of topics on Wikipedia are very underrepresented, and I often try to write biographies of Native Americans (with a focus on women), but I myself don't have any particular expertise or knowledge, so I'm always trying to learn more. Either way, it's lovely to see a new face on Wikipedia. Also, I just wanted to say I really enjoyed reading your userpage. I'm Jewish myself and also active in the Women in Red WikiProject, so it was a happy surprise to see those mentioned on your userpage. I hope you had good luck feeding your "army" yesterday :) Best - Whisperjanes (talk) 13:32, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for reading it. I will improve it over time. I am just so new to the community. There are very few Yiddish speakers/writers anymore. My grandmother and I called it our secret language because none of my "siblings" (I was brought up by my uncle and aunt) had the desire to learn it. I am impressed by the very powerful and strong vibrations coming from the Women in Red Project. It is a great work being done. For too long women and their contributions have been marginalized. Women were so important to the Cherokee culture and I remember being taught the significance of women in the Torah. Our work is not done until no woman feels insignificant and none of her works marginalized by society whether she is an anchor holding her family together or leading a successful business. Whether she is healing the hurt through rock (earth) medicine or sky (arts) medicine. The Physical and the Spirit. The creative powers inside a woman are unmatched and even the native cultures recognized that. It begs to question why so many others can't. Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:54, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have to prepare for ten people but I manage. I don't need luck (lol), I need a grocery store inside my house.Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Wow, very well said. I love these views. My reply can't really do it justice, but I completely agree. My Yiddish-speaking grandparents passed away before I was born, so I unfortunately never learned it (since my father knew Hebrew instead, and Hebrew was more the more popular language to learn in Jewish families when I was growing up), but it's a lovely language. And yes, the Women in Red project is incredible - they're always doing wonderful work and the editors are very helpful there. I recommend reading through their talk page every once and awhile, or posting there if you want any input or extra help. - Whisperjanes (talk) 15:00, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I finally have the sources formatted correctly and the article is really coming together. I still have one more section I want to add for "Sacred Numbers, Animals and Plants". I already have some good sources for those so it wont be that difficult now that I know how to format.

Indigenous Women
@Whisperjanes A quick question. Yesterday I ran across a TIME magazine article from back in February of 2020 where Kimberly Teehee, a Cherokee Nation citizen and the first delegate-designate to the US House of Representatives from the Cherokee Nation, was named as one of their top 16 activists fighting for a more equal America. I made the edit to her biography here on Wikipedia to reflect the award and sourced it. Should I put her on the Indigenous Women's upgraded articles list just because I made this edit? I mean, I'd love to promote her article but wanted to make sure it was appropriate. Tsistunagiska (talk) 14:34, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You can if you want! You technically "upgraded" it, so that totally works. Also, thanks for the interesting read! I hadn't heard about her, but I think I'll do a few upgrades to the article, too. - Whisperjanes (talk) 14:46, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll post her upgraded and then you can re-post it once you finish upgrading. A little tag-team action(lol). It is a great read. I actually looked to see if she had an article and was surprised she did. I find our community here amazing.Tsistunagiska (talk) 14:52, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm surprised by some of the biographies I find too. I don't think I can repost an upgrade on WiR, though (that has always been my understanding, at least). But I definitely learned more than I knew before when I was adding some extra info on Teehee's bio. Always interesting to learn that someone hasn't been voted/accepted into their seat yet, even though legally I'm not sure what the hold-up is... - Whisperjanes (talk) 06:11, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Red tape bureaucracy or they just don't care to honor the treaty. Not attacking any political affiliation because I honestly believe individuals do speak up and support indigenous peoples but organizations and political parties do not.Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:34, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

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Reliable source?
@Whisperjanes

Hi there, thanks for your messages. Regarding the last:

"Also, I noticed that you added content to the Mae Martin article, but you didn't provide a reliable source. The edit has been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. I hope this information helps! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. Best, - Whisperjanes (talk) 02:41, 24 August 2020 (UTC)"

I only added her date of birth, and actually my source was the German Wikipedia version of this Mae Martin page.. Can I add this as a reliable source? At the [|German wiki page], I cannot find the source of her date of birth.. When I search via DuckDuckGo, I only find different celeb-pages with this date (like this one), but I don't know if these are reliable sources.. So if not, it maybe should me removed from the German page too? And in that case, also from the Armenian wiki page?

Kind regards!
 * Hi there! Usually other Wikis (including other Wikipedia pages, ironically) can not be used as a reliable source for information on Wikipedia, since they are user-generated. If you'd like to read more about this guideline, please see WP:USERGEN. As a general description - a "reliable" source has a very specific meaning on Wikipedia, and it usually means a source that is known to be accurate and have some sort of fact-checking process. This usually includes websites, newspapers, etc that have a reputation for accurate reporting or ones that have an editorial process, where someone is employed to verify information before it is published. I recommend reading the guideline Reliable sources, although it is pretty dense, which is why I gave a shortened summary above. I would say that celeb pages or other type of "tabloid"-type sources are usually not reliable and are better to stay away from when editing Wikipedia. They aren't usually known for fact-checking and often copy from other unreliable sources or rumors (some even just use information from Wikipedia to create biographies). In terms of the date of birth, too, I recommend reading the policy on WP:BLPPRIVACY - which basically says that birth dates and full names that aren't widely published should usually be considered private because of identity theft concerns. As for the German and Armenian Wikipedia, I can't say much about those projects. I think different language Wikipedias have their own guidelines they follow. Hopefully my very long answer here was helpful! Best, - Whisperjanes (talk) 20:23, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

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king apparel wikipedia page
Hi,

i am contacting you as it appears the KING Apparel wikipedia page has been removed temporarily for some reason (i have copied the initial message i have just seen today, below). I don't know who is responsible for this, but your handle was at the bottom of the statement, so i guess i need to speak to yourself.

Anyway, the page has been live for 13 years without any problems, and now there is a problem? I'm not sure what the issue is? Any edits that are made are done so to ensure the page is kept up to date, informative and current for all of the people that use it to learn about the KING brand and its important and pioneering position within streetwear culture. I don't make any financial gain or compensation from making sure the entry is up to date, and i'm not sure why this assumption has been made to be quite honest?

I don't really know what the next steps from here are and i would like to resolve the situation amicably and through the right channels to make sure the page is re-instated as quickly as possible.

i await your reply.

thank you Tim Hoad

"Hello Timhoad. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to King Apparel, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat SEO.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Timhoad. The template can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Whisperjanes (talk) 23:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC) "

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Timhoad (talk • contribs) 10:12, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi there, Timhoad! I appreciate you reaching out, and thank you for taking the time to edit Wikipedia. The original message I left you is unrelated to the deletion of the King Apparel article. I want to clarify: The message is not about you making financial gain off of updating the article itself (sorry if that wasn't clear). "Paid editing" is a broader term on Wikipedia - it includes receiving or expecting to receive compensation (which can be an exchange of money, goods or services) for editing Wikipedia or promoting King Apparel in general. Basically, I am asking if you are employed by King Apparel and this is a part of your tasks, or have any other sort of financial stake in promoting it. I am also asking if you are compensated for any publicity efforts related to King Apparel, regardless of whether you were compensated specifically to edit Wikipedia. As far as I'm aware, under Wikipedia policy, any of the above would be considered "Paid editing". I hope this explanation helps. Once again, if I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits (in the way I've explained above) – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please follow the steps I left you on your talk page. If you have a different conflict of interest (or personal relationship with King Apparel), then you should still disclose that on you user page (please see WP:DISCLOSECOI on how to).Now, to answer the other part of your message. When articles are deleted on Wikipedia, it is done by community consensus. That means that an editor started a deletion discussion, and others joined in to discuss if the article should be deleted or not, based around Wikipedia policy and the topic's "notability". Based on that discussion, the article was deleted for not passing Wikipedia's standards of notability. You can see that discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/King_Apparel. I'm sure it's frustrating to see an old article be deleted, so I appreciate you taking the time to ask questions. I'm not sure where best you should go from here, so I recommend you post your question at The Teahouse (a place for new editors to seek advice or ask questions). Before any of that, though, please answer the first part of this message. Thank you! Best, - Whisperjanes (talk) 05:33, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi WhispersJane, thank you for explaining.

i am the founder of King Apparel. I'm not involved in marketing so am not compensated financially or in any other fashion for editing wikipedia or any other publicity efforts. As the founder i have now disclosed this on my user page for clarity. I trust that this addresses this issue.

With respect to the page itself, I'm at a loss to understand why you guys would delete that. Its a factual page about the brand. I wrote that 13 years ago to help guide and inform followers who wanted to find out about our company and understand the factual basis of the company. There is no SEO to be gained from this (there are plenty of easier ways to promote a company in this day and age). Its a shame as wikipedia is viewed as a trusted source for reliable and factual information - the fact this this has been shut down in this respect is very concerning. I will follow up in the teahouse and repost the article once i know where i stand.

thanks again timhoad (talk) 12.30, 8 Sep 2020 (GMT)--Timhoad (talk) 11:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As founder are you still employed in any fashion by King Apparel? It doesn't have to be for marketing or specifically for editing Wikipedia. If you receive any monetary compensation for work performed or have a vested stake in the future growth of the company then you are considered a "Paid editor" and there is a definite COI involved.
 * In regards to the deletion of the article, after reading the link above it appears that the subject is not considered "notable" per Wikipedia policy. has provided you with the proper steps to follow. Because Wikipedia relies so heavily on cited and reliable sources, any source directly tied to King Apparel could be considered self-published. If, at some point, you do decide to recreate the article and/or it is determined that the subject does meet Wikipedia's policy on notability, I would suggest finding secondary published sources not directly linked to the subject organization, preferably those with neutral interest. I really am sorry you are going through this and I understand the frustration but, Whisperjanes can attest, Wikipedia has to be strict in its policies to ensure fair and neutral encyclopedia style articles. And even then we see so much vandalism that it has to constantly be watched for.Tsistunagiska (talk) 16:49, 8 September 2020 (UTC)



yes i am still the founder of KING so essentially have a paid role. I understand how this can be cited a COI and as such i have completed a COI statement on my talk page for transparency as suggested by WhispersJane.

With regards to the page, there were plenty of verifiable referenced sources on that page. Certainly a lot more than most company pages and not tied to KING Apparel in any form. That was the frustration back then, and continues to this day. I understand the need for strict policies. Indeed the KING wikipedia page was previously attacked by other wiki users who would change the stories and insert other brands names and slander in the article. We had to go in and re-edit back to the factual content several times. Hopefully i can get it resolved and re-instated. Any assistance would be appreciated as the tea room has not been particularly helpful.

thanks again Tim--Timhoad (talk) 19:10, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I have reviewed your talk page and it appears to me that many editors and admins have tried to relay to you the importance of both reliable and notable sources for your article. Just because you or I think a subject is worthy to be included in Wikipedia does not make it so. It also does not mean that the particular subject isn't important. I am sure that your organization, without delving too deep, has quite an extensive history of community work. However, Wikipedia is not a place for the advertisement or promotion of organizations from a less than neutral or biased POV. It is strictly an encyclopedia. Neutrality is the key. As a founder of KING apparel (I noticed you capitalized it) with a COI, it is incumbent upon you to pay extra attention to verifiable sources and make sure you project the subject organization in a fair and balanced way. I personally believe there are over 6 billion worthy people and countless millions of worthy causes and organizations in this world because I feel every song is important, however, that is not the purpose of Wikipedia, not as it currently is. And there is reasons for it. I struggle with trying to find sources for many subjects because there just isn't enough reliable sources in some cases and hard decisions have to be made whether the sources provided make the subject meet the notability requirements. Think of how difficult it was to get a subject added to the old Encyclopedia Britannica's. While it's not that difficult we should try to follow those guidelines as much as possible. If you could provide sources that are not media releases, not unsubstantiated reviews or comments and are direct quotes from prominent individuals in published outlets in which the author, publisher and date are noted that would be a start. Tsistunagiska (talk) 19:49, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

FYI - I moved Timhoad's Paid declaration from his Talk page to his User page. I have no opinion as to whether the deleted article is notable. David notMD (talk) 17:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Celia Newman
Greetings, This is Cehlia/Celia Newman-Menendez. The wik page attributed to me, is under “CELIA NEWMAN”. Recently, my cousin, who usually monitors changes and inaccuracies to sites on which I am mentioned; changed numerous issues and added information to the wikipedia page. I was sent a txt, today, allerting me to the fact that the information had been removed and even more information that was previously listed was removed, by you.

I wanted to contact you myself, as we felt this was most prodigious. I approved all of his changes, and verify they are accurate. I am certain you would agree, one does not want to find inaccurate information about themselves on the internet. By the same token, when accurate information is added, it is quite frustrating, to see that someone who does not know you, changes that text.

I appreciate your interest in monitoring peoples pages, but, this is my information and life, and he has my authority to correct the text.

Thank you for your understanding. Please refrain from altering the page.

Thank you.

Stay healthy and safe Cehlia Newman-Menéndez
 * Hi there, Cehlia. Thanks for messaging me. I'm sorry about the confusion and frustration this has seemed to cause. To be clear, I am not the only editor that has removed information from the article Celia Newman (I reverted an edit that removed an important maintenance tag, and I removed one paragraph). You can check who has edited a page by clicking "View history" at the top of any page. If you are new to Wikipedia, you might find it helpful to read the 5 Pillars of Wikipedia to get a sense of what the community is like here. As it says, "All articles must strive for verifiable accuracy, citing reliable, authoritative sources, especially when the topic is controversial or is about a living person." I removed a paragraph from that page because it did not cite a reliable source (or any source at all). As an editor, sometimes I see information that does not seem encyclopedic, or seems like it might not be able to be sourced, and I remove it, because I think the accuracy of information on Wikipedia is important, above all else. I would say you are welcome to add the information back if you have a reliable source to add with it - but since you have an apparent conflict of interest with the topic, it is probably better that you use the article's talk page to recommend any changes, instead of directly editing the article yourself. You will need to review Wikipedia's Conflict of interest guideline, which may require you to disclose your relationship and restrict your editing depending upon how you are affiliated with the subject matter. Also, although you've asked me to "refrain from altering the page", I have to be blunt here. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit - "anyone" includes you or me. No single person has ownership over a page, because that would in the long-term hurt this collaborative project. I highly, highly recommend you read Wikipedia's policy on Ownership of content, because it seems you might be misunderstanding the purpose of this website. I hope all of this information helps. Feel free to reply if you have any more questions or comments. If you have any general questions, I recommend you ask them at the Teahouse, which is a place for newcomers to get help. Hope you're staying healthy and safe as well, - Whisperjanes (talk) 02:06, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

October editathons from Women in Red
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Sly, Slick and Wicked (Los Angeles band) moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Sly, Slick and Wicked (Los Angeles band), does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Mccapra (talk) 16:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi - the draft might as well be deleted, since I have nothing more to add to it and the content was originally written by IPs. The article was created as a solution suggested by a more experienced editor to split off content that was being edit warred over (mostly unsourced content). Is deletion easiest if I just request a speedy deletion? Thanks, - Whisperjanes (talk) 17:30, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There's no urgency! Maybe someone else will come up with something.  Drafts can be seen by other editors so someone with access to specialist sources I don't have may yet be able to make something of it.  All the best Mccapra (talk) 18:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that sounds good then! :) Best, - Whisperjanes (talk) 04:35, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you very much! This really made my day :) There are a lot of notable children's writers that are missing articles, so I've become a fan of researching them (which has the added bonus of usually seeing a lot of fun illustrations). Thanks for reviewing them! - Whisperjanes (talk) 04:38, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, I'm glad to hear it :) Thanks for giving me the opportunity to learn more about the history of children's literature (and for giving me some easily reviewable articles to practice on—I just got the permission today). AleatoryPonderings (talk) 04:43, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
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 * Great workall the way around. Thanks to you both!!! FloridaArmy (talk) 10:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

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Disrespecting the Dead
Dear Whisperjanes

If this is how Wikipedia operates then I want no part of it.

Tyvynain (talk) 20:58, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi I couldn't tell what you were referring to at first, but I assume you're talking about the article on Nils-Axel Mörner. I'm not familiar with him and I haven't edited the article personally. But it is understandable if you don't want to edit on Wikipedia anymore - many people leave or take a Wikibreak, since it can sometimes be a stressful place to edit. And if you know Mörner in any way, I'm very sorry for your loss. If I could give some context - people were reverting your edits on the above article because you were deleting the content in the article without explanation. If you have a concern about how the article is written, or concerns about information in the article, you're more likely to come to a solution if you try to start a discussion, which is usually done on an article's talk page. If this is because you personally knew Mörner, I assume that might be too difficult to do. I can't tell which parts you feel are disrespectful, but if you'd like to continue editing the article at some point, I recommend bringing up your concerns on the article's talk page. Without that, others won't know what your concerns are or why you are removing information. I hope this explanation helps and I hope you're staying safe and well. Best, - Whisperjanes (talk) 03:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

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Draft:Tom Southern
Can youfind and newspaper articles discussing this actor? Thanks for all your help. Much appreciated. FloridaArmy (talk) 10:47, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I've found a good amount in historical newspapers - some are just passing mentions, but it seems like he was also called "Thomas" or "Tommy" Southern, and I was able to find more substantial info under those names. I'll add them now! - Whisperjanes (talk) 17:16, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Family, biographical, career, legislative activity
Thank you for taking an interest in my edits. Accuracy is always important. However I do have difficulty in understanding the need to edit my family section. It simply is what it is. Parents have passed away. Certainly can't verify my being raised on a farm or my father's occupation. I have yet to see anyone needing to verify their marriage or children's birth. I'll await your response to this query and then perhaps we can discuss other edits.

Respectfully,

2601:545:C080:43E0:8575:221D:E1C:EE6B (talk) 17:56, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi there, 2601:545:C080:43E0:8575:221D:E1C:EE6B. Wikipedia's Verifiability Policy has most of the answers you're looking for. Wikipedia does not publish 'original research' - and for good reason, since we're all just strangers on the internet volunteering our time. Instead, information on Wikipedia is supposed to be based on reliable sources - published sources that are known to be accurate or have a fact-checking process, and are usually independent from the subject being written about. If you've found things on Wikipedia that don't have a citation to verify it, chances are, there is a reliable source online that can easily be found that verifies it, so no one felt the need to add it to the article. Or, it just hasn't been noticed or fixed yet. I know it can be a frustrating policy sometimes, but it's to keep Wikipedia information as accurate as possible. Hope this explanation helps. Cheers! - Whisperjanes (talk) 21:24, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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