User talk:White Shadows/Archive 12

WikiCup 2010 June newsletter
We're half way through 2010, and the end of the WikiCup is in sight! Round 3 is over, and we're down to our final 16. Our pool winners were (A),  (B, and the round's overall leader),  (C)  and  (D, joint), but, with the scores reset, everything is to play for in our last pooled round. The pools will be up before midnight tonight, and have been selected randomly by J Milburn. This will be the toughest round yet, and so, as ever, anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

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 * Thanks!--White Shadows There goes another day 15:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Missed by ten points with an article at GAN and another at FAC! Oh well.  Think of England and its football team ...--Wehwalt (talk) 16:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow. I beat out you.... (I would have reviewed your GAN if you just asked!) As for me, I doubt that I'll advance to the finals.--White Shadows There goes another day 16:08, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, congrats on that. I tend to stick with my usual writing patterns, and if it isn't good enough for the Cup, it's good enough for me.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer, but I think you were away most of the time it's been up.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:13, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * True. I try to not let the cup run how I edit. I use it as a motivator to write instead of useing it as a race. Do you get what I mean?--White Shadows There goes another day 17:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, an incentive because it's cool to advance (winning will take major effort at a time of year when you have other things to do), the achievement is nice, and you don't have to worry about real life consequences if you don't make it or choose to deemphasizing, it will not set you back in the zomg cutthroat competition for the various brass rings which are par for the course at this stage of your life (that's a mixed metaphor, by the way, very much so).--Wehwalt (talk) 17:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly, winning, (or beating out 130 others as I have done so far) is just a bonus. What with school comming in the next two months and my own Personal life, I doubt that I'm going to get any farther but I'm still shocked in a way since many people wrote me off in round 1. (I myself thought that I would be one of the 60 eliminated at the end of round 1 who got 0 points) just getting this far was a prize enough for me.--White Shadows There goes another day 17:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Sunshine! :)
Enjoy the sunshine! :) Sorry I'm asking you this so late (I forgot about this), but has an admin emailed you a copy of Wiki, The musical yet? It doesn't look like anyone's responded to your request. If no one has emailed you a copy and you still want one, I'll ask an admin to email one to you. Cheers, -- Meag h a n happy canada day ≈ 17:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! And yes, I have a copy now. Pretty funny to be honest :)--White Shadows There goes another day 17:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I read it. There are funnier things on Wikipedia.  Have you seen this?--Wehwalt (talk) 17:34, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * (dies laughing) Not until just now. I love that "Let's kill all living persons" comment...--White Shadows There goes another day 17:38, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I love the votes more ... --Wehwalt (talk) 17:46, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This is worth checking out too.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha! Malleus does have humor....--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 18:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

A thought
Why don't you come and pester me when you want your submarines moved to mainspace and I'll do it without leaving the redirect behind, which should reduce some of the confusion. Btw, which song is your new sig from? HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah that would be better.... It would keep people from makeing comments like "It's three months old so it cannot go on the main page" even though the rules (in a blury kind of way) state otherwise. To answer your question I'll come ping you or Wehwalt when I want to get my pages moved. (But don't delete the sandbox if you can) As for the song, try takeing a look at this the first pice of music that you hear is the end of a live version of the song who's lyrics are in my sig, it's called "So Sad" and was one of the first 10 CP songs written, only 13 seconds of a live version have ever been released and those 13 seonds contain only two lines (includeing the line "There goes another day") It's a shame that the song will never see the light of day.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 19:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well the confusion seems to be partly caused by your sandbox recycling methods. If you let me move it without a redirect, the history stays with the new article but your sandbox is effectively deleted, but you can just re-create it with your next project. It's funny, I've never written an article in my userspace. For some reason I've always just started in the mainspace. I probably should draft Nick Parker-type total overhauls in my userspace, but hey, that's what underconstruction is for! I suppose you have the luxury of time by doing it in your userspace, though. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You've got that right!--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 20:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, I've replied to you over on T:TDYK. I cheated, but I've managed to get both above 1500 characters! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:00, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Redlink cats.
Thanks As you can see from my contribs, I have been recategorizing albums extensively for several months now; anything that is a redlink will become blue in a matter of minutes. Please respond on my talk if you have something more to say. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:57, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

U-28
U-28 is well written. I was thinking of reviewing it for GA on another day. It is much more interesting than U-36. If I forget about U-28, remind me in a few days. RIPGC (talk) 02:37, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well thanks :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 02:53, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

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Kentucky gubernatorial election, 1899
Please note that Taylor v. Beckham has been created and promoted to GA. Would you now consider withdrawing your opposition to Kentucky gubernatorial election, 1899 becoming a good topic? Acdixon (talk • contribs • count) 16:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Certainly :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 18:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Adminship
Have you ever considered running an RFA? <font style="color:	#002664">~DC <font color="#BB133E" face="Tahoma">Let's Vent 17:13, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have it on my mind. Why?--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 18:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I'd certainly be interested in being a nom - if you are ready, that is. I think I'll have a chat with Wehwalt to see what he thinks of your growth over the past few months.  ceran  thor 18:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Be my guest. If you guys think that I'm ready, I'll happily accept a nom :) Perhaps I can be of more assistance over at WT:DYK with the tools...--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 18:26, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't say whether I would support without doing a little digging, but I can assure you that I've been impressed by how quickly you have matured, and the massive contribution you're now making to Wikipedia. J Milburn (talk) 18:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've just emailed Wehwalt. We'll see what he says. So, when do we get to work on the submarine article? I fervently apologize for the past few months; I've come to be selfish and focus on dumb things like work and my own "articles". Hopefully you still have it in you to want to work on it. :)  ceran  thor 18:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the odds are in your favor, if not tremendously so, and that youth and inexperience (in some people's eyes) are what would be brought up. Perhaps they'd dig up some of your less wise statements from the start of the year.  If you feel comfortable going, then go!  If you fail (and I don't think it would be an epic fail, as you say these days), you'd be setting up a successful second run at the end of the year.  Happy to conom if Cerenthor wants to nom, or vice versa.  Either way.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Too many chefs risk spoiling the brew, but I'd be happy to add a con-nom if there were a vacancy. The one thing I will add to what we discussed by email is that RfA is tough and it can be stressful and you'd need to keep your cool, even if you feel people are treating you unfairly (which is not unlikely)- just telling you so you'll have some idea of what to expect. I think, given the level of experience in this thread, between all of us, we should be able to come up with a strong nomination dealing with your strengths and a good "acceptance speech" from you acknowledging your weaknesses (your block log, inter alia, will inevitably come up) should put you on a strong footing. Exactly how it would go after that I honestly don't know. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, it can be incredibly stressful. I well remember waking up at 4 am and going to the computer to spend the last two hours of my RfA hitting "refresh".  Basically, in an RfA, if there is trouble, you must defuse it even if you think it is unfair or unwarranted.  Keep your eyes on the prize and don't be hasty to respond.  Feel free to ask for advise, off wiki if need be.  You have support, use it.  We've all been here longer than you.  Use us as resources and listen to our advice, then make your own decisions.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I looked at yours, if you think that's stressful, you should try 2010's RfA! I have. Twice! :S Wehwalt makes a good point, though- you're always welcome to flick off an email to either or both of us, either to vent or to seek advice. If you pass, the same applies- you've got 4 more experienced admins (though, in my case, only just!) just in this thread and, I for one, would be more than happy to lend a hand, so you should just take things slow and start working in the areas you know best rather than risk biting off more than you can chew. Oh, and if it's successful, keep WP:OWB and 42 in mind! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * December 2008 is good enough for me. Especially since the last few hours saw me slipping under 80 percent.  Anyway, if you do plan to run, watch your contributions very closely from here on in.  Glancing at Malleus's concern, I would suggest from here on in, don't even mention one user on another user's talk page unless you are utterly sure they would not mind what you said.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:39, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not until you're an administrator anyway, then all bets are off, and you can be as abusive as you like. Malleus Fatuorum 22:41, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I would not let adminship go to my head like that. That's just abusing the system.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 22:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The system is designed to be abused, so have at it. Malleus Fatuorum 22:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Regardless, adminship should not be treated as a get out of jail free card and anyone who acts like it is is wrong.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 22:51, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That's just about the best laugh I've had all day. I'm being hounded by ex-admin Herostratus, but that's OK, because he was an administrator who might be a little bit upset because he's been desysopped. Give me a break, we all know how it works. Malleus Fatuorum 22:58, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Just because we know how it works does not make it any more appropriate.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 23:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't expect to see this much discussion so fast, but I agree with the above that you've grown immensely since last year. I think it's something to consider.  I'd offer to co-nominate you, but I don't think it would be helpful.  <font style="color:	#002664">~DC  <font color="#BB133E" face="Tahoma">Let's Vent 20:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't be expecting my support. The last thing wikipedia needs is yet more administrators carrying grudges. Malleus Fatuorum 20:27, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the 2010 RfA is much different than most - though it's perhaps easier for most than the 2009 RfA. Please email me if you would like to proceed; if you want to proceed with HJ and Wehwalt email them too. Try to limit it to two noms - I'd really like to nom, but I'd be okay if either of these two highly respected admins nom'd. ;) Best wishes CE!  ceran  thor 20:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Highly respected admin? Me? Wow. We could always go with the bulky nomination and then 2, much more concise, co-noms. It seemed to work for TFOWR, but I'd be just as happy to defer to Wehwalt and Ceranthor. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:51, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * And me? Respected?  After what they said about me last election?  I succeeded in uniting both sides in the I-P dispute, who put aside their differences in hatred of me.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:15, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * First off, thanks everyone :) @Malleus, if that hurt your feelings then I apologize. I honestly did not mean that in a "grudge carrying way" and to be honest, I would not like your personality to change, you were the one who pestered me enough to actually "prove you wrong" in a sense and actually get to writing. That has earned you an imminence amount to respect from me (that that it really means anything coming from a teenager!) @Ceranthor, I would love to get to work on UB I if that's ok with you :) I've been looking forward to this article for a while. I feel like that whoever I'd pick would, I'd be letting the other down. All three of you have been really helpful to me in the past months.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 21:10, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It's all very well to tell someone to check their email, but you should check your own inbox first, my friend! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:26, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Got it.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 23:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * And again.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * replied. Sorry it's short. I was in the middle of RL...--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 23:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Short emails are good. Check your inbox for one now.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think that I got it...--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 00:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I !voted neutral in your RfA, but if you answer my question (Q4) well enough, I might just support. I am very interested in the answer regardless.  — fetch ·  comms   02:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've answered it. Thanks.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 02:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry to say this, but I think this RfA is too soon. I would have to agree with what HJ said on our email conversation. I also !voted neutral. Since there's only 24% support I would recommend withdrawing this RfA and trying again in a few months. ~ Nerdy<font color="#0F0">Science <font color="#8d7">Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 15:43, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've already done that. Thanks :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 15:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

You probably don't expect to see this here after the comments I made in your RFA, but I just wanted to:
 * Congratulate you for your composure at a difficult time
 * Apologise for anything that I said which may have offended you
 * Encourage you to keep improving and try again later
 * Offer my help in the (very unlikely) event you might feel you ever need it

I'm particularly impressed that you never tried to hide your past. I think that does you enormous credit, and will benefit you in the long run.

Anyway, I'll bugger off now, since I have no doubt you have better things to do than read this crap.

Good luck -  Begoon (talk) 16:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that. you'll be seeing some thank spam soon so I'll properly talk to you then :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 16:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. The bit I meant the most in my comments was that you'll be a good admin someday. You will. -  Begoon (talk) 16:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

A note
When you copy text from one article to another, make sure that you include a wikilink to the source article in your edit summary. See WP:CWW for more information. :) Regards, Theleftorium (talk) 19:00, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll keep that in mind :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 21:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

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Ann Coulter
See User_talk:Jimbo_Wales. ★ <b style="color:#ba6afd;">Dasani</b> ★ 22:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Excues me for asking but what does this have to do with me?--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 22:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for German submarine U-109 (1940)
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 00:03, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I realize you're busy
but I've added a citation for the mausoleum. Thanks for looking at the article, and for your support. Hope you enjoyed it.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:00, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 01:03, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI, I just added my co-nom, WS.  ceran  thor 01:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ceranthor. That meant a lot to me :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 01:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You have email.  ceran  thor 11:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

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Congratulations
...on coming through RfA, and a rough one at that, with composure and a willingness to learn. I respect that a great deal and believe it shows a tremendous amount of maturity on your part. As one who !voted neutral, I would like to stress that I did not in any way disapprove of you as a user. Something I found is stressed at Simple and probably should be here is that adminship is about trust. That was, I believe, the main issue here. I do hope you will continue your terrific work and run again when you feel that most of the issues have been taken care of. I look forward to supporting. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 16:58, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd just like to add, what a wonderful opening, and I agree with every word (as I tried to say above) . You'll be a good admin, and I'm sorry I had to oppose you this time -  Begoon (talk) 17:03, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No problems. I'll try to work on writing (and not a minimum set of GAs or DYKs) rather than "jumping in feet first". When I run again, I will make sure that all of my issues that have been brought up in RFA #1 will be addressed. Thanks for commenting :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 17:17, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I wholeheartedly agree with PrincessofLlyr: you behaved admirably; I'm really sorry I opposed, because you're a net positive, but I think you're not entirely ready yet; in a couple of months, however, I'll be glad to support you! Salvio ( Let's talk 'bout it!) 17:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Now I've gotta make up for all of those talk page edits that I made with my Thank spam. *Walks over to DYK*--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 17:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If this is how you are going to act, I wouldn't go for that second RFA anytime soon. I'm sure I don't have to remind you of WP:NPA since you've been blocked for it before. Admins are expected to be helpful and polite with clueless users, not dismissive and insulting. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Um Beeblebrox....that was not me, that was HalfShadow!--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 17:42, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, CRAP. Clearly it is time for Beeblebrox's coffee break. Sorry about that. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No problems ;)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 17:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I really would love to have supported this time. I'm sure I will next time - there's a remarkable improvement in your contributions that I'm sure will continue (sorry to be the serious one at the party)  -  Begoon (talk) 17:47, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No problems at all. I expect this contiune for a few more minutes so I'll just finish up making the prep extra over at DYK.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 17:50, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry your RFA had to end like this. I believe that if you run again later this year, more users will feel that you're ready. You've made such a major improvement from last year, and someday you'll make a great administrator. I look forward to supporting you in a future RFA. Cheers! -- <font color="#007700">M<font color="#009900">e<font color="#00bb00">a<font color="#00dd00">g h a n ) ≈ 17:59, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you Meaghan :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 18:00, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree with pretty much everything above. Keep up the good work, get some more experience, and you'll have my support the next time. :) Theleftorium (talk) 21:47, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You're the Dylan620 of 2010, dude, and I mean seriously: You had a rough start, like I did. You turned around, like I did. You didn't make it through RfA, like I didn't. But I know you're more capable of the mop than I am - you're a better writer and you're more focused, for starters. I seem to have the attention span of a rock. :/ Basically, you're going down a path not dissimilar to mine, only you're going farther down it than I did. Good luck, buddy, and as Dexter Holland once said: "You're gonna go far, kid." And on a secondary note, I lol'd quite hard at your exchange with Beeblebrox above. ;) -- Dylan 620  (contribs, logs) 21:55, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Rocks have pretty good attention spans. I've known some to concentrate so hard they don't move for hours even.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:04, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry it didn't work out, WS. I think you gave great answers to the questions, even though Q6 was a really tough one.  And I think you're on the right track already for being able to pass RfA in the future, though working on the areas you are weak in certainly will help, and is a good thing even aside from its use in passing RfA.   —  Soap  —  23:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's ok. At least the opposers said that they are open for a future RFA so perhaps next time will be better. I'll try to get to work on my weaker areas ASAP :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 23:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Did they? All of them? Malleus Fatuorum 23:41, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * With the exception of a few people including you.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 23:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Remember what I said by email last night. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * My point is that these editors are not omniscient; it depends on what you do in the future, which they can't predict, and neither can you. The "I'll support in X months" cant is just that, meaningless cant. Try again when you know that you're ready. Malleus Fatuorum 23:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I said that. I know that I can only earn their support if I continue on the road that I am on and fix the issues that I have.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 23:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't want to cause offence, but you would do well to demonstrate that you know that adminship is no just a rite of passage for editors who have X many edits in Y many months but just a few extra buttons which, while very shiny, are really quite boring, never mind the trolling it attracts- you saw that 4chan shit on my talk page, for example.  HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:04, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I know that it is not a rite of passage but how can I go about doing that?--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 00:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Just focus on enjoying what you do and improving the encyclopaedia rather than worrying about admiship. If it happens that you would have a real use for the tools towards the end of the year, then you might start thinking about another RfA, but for now, just put it out of your mind. As I've said before, feel free to come and bug me if you need something done at DYK that needs a mop. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:15, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll take that in mind.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 00:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * FWIW, being here should be about what you want to do, and what makes you happy. If you really believe in your heart of hearts that the only thing that will make you happy is achieving adminship, then do what you believe is necessary to earn trust and support. On the other hand, you could simply continue doing what you've been doing, be yourself, enjoy yourself, without putting yourself in a position where you think your every move will be watched. Had I known this would happen so fast I would have advised you to wait. Today I was working on an article, and by the time I was done the RfA was closed. I think closing quickly was wise, and I think you're taking this well, because I'm sure it was a disappointment. Be yourself - and be happy. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am going to keep being myself. While I felt a little offended by a few of the opposes, I'm glad that I went for it since I have learned a lot and can now work on my weak areas.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 00:39, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Echoing others above, I commend your composure throughout your RFA. It's not easy (I know from experience). The comments made by PrincessofLlyr, HJ Mitchell, and Truthkeeper88 here especially stood out to me. Do what you like to do. Otherwise, I'd consider Wikipedia a huge waste of time. As long as I enjoy it, I feel that my time is worth something to me and others. I'll be watching out for Requests for adminship/White Shadows 2, but please, take your time :). Regards, Airplaneman   ✈  Review? 03:00, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. And I assure you that I will take my time in addressing these issues. I was originally thinking December but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 03:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Really - just stop thinking about adminship for the forseeable future. Your nominators did you no favours in putting you forward and most Opposers went out of their way to be kind and positive given the impression you've made and the prospect of you with the tools. Those who chase adminship as a gong or as some mechanism for self-fulfillment invariably - and rightly - come to grief. You've made good progress on articles - likewise forget the "there, that's enough, now whre's my badge" GA-chasing and concentrate on writing good copy on the details of stuff that really interests you. BTW, my old man just gave me a pile of good books on submarines, WW2, etc. I'll check out what you're working on and see if I can pass on some prime non-Google info and sources. Plutonium27 (talk) 23:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not chaseing anything and I'm not thinking of GA's a a competiton. Otherwise I'd be writeing on overdrive. I have a life outside of Wikipedia you know! Trust me, I only whent for it because I thought that I could be of more use at DYK ect. (Hense the limited admin related areas) Thanks for the offer on the submarines though ;)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 23:56, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * A general rule of verbs (doing words) ending in "e" eg. make, write, chase, etc - is that when they get the "ing" ending, you drop the "e" eg. making, writing, chasing. Please, even if you can't get Firefox to sort all this out for you automatically, then try to grasp the basic rule that most of us had mastered by our nation's equivalent of 4th grade. Check also when a "w" has an "h" following and when it doesn't. Went doesn't, when does. Weenie doesn't, whining does. Why does, woman doesn't. There's no easy rule there- its called reading and remembering. Please - for the 1000th-seeming time of asking - sort your spelling out. Plutonium27 (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * OK I have firefox on and I'll be using it from now on so hopefully you will no longer see any spelling errors from me. (Though calling my spelling worse than a 4th grader really was not needed)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 16:46, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * In the local slum-serving London primary school I went to (ages 8-11), we were expected to know to drop the "e" after the consonant on verbs ending in "ing" by the beginning of our second year there (= your US 4th grade). Calling your spelling 4th grade is both accurate and needed, White Shadows, because it is that bad. That is why you get nagged about it - because of your failure to comprehend and correct these persistent, basic mistakes. Sort it out but understand why people got pissed it took you so long. Plutonium27 (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you've made your point, Plut. Sometimes being blunt can be effective, but once you've made your point, you don't need to keep hammering it home- that's the distinction between being frank and just being rude for the sake of it. WS, you could try Google Chrome if you wanted- it has a spell checker, but I find it quicker and nicer to use than Firefox. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:14, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * A comprehensive knowledge of this user's habits and communiques shows that hammering it home, time and again, is regrettably but precisely exactly what it takes to make the necessary points sink in and stick. It is the only proven course of input that got WS out of the trap of his juvenile fuckupery - as he has acknowledged time and agin viz. the input from Malleus. It may be way more blunt than suits your personal WP:political sensitivities, HJ, but calling it rude is nothing more than your white-knighting proclivities getting butthurt because you were instrumental in getting WS clobbered in the RfA by joining in his teenage cheerleading squad. Plutonium27 (talk) 18:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Plut, that was not necessary. You've made your point and I'll take your advice (notice any spelling errors in this post or any of my latest ones?) Now please stop, the both of you.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 01:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What the hell? I missed your RfA?! I have been gone a long time. Sorry, WS, I would've supported :D <font color="#004225" face="High Tower Text">Spongefrog, <font color="blue" face="High Tower Text">(I am Czar of all Russias!)  21:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks LSF but it wouldn't have made that much of a difference, I withdrew :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 22:59, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for German submarine U-27 (1936)
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Advice
Hello, White! Can you help me, and review my DYK proposal here. I am still new with this process. Is that ok?

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What do you think about it? All best! -- Tadijaspeaks 18:04, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've verified it. Nice job :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 18:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * O, so nice, thanks! Just tell me what is AGF? Can i do something about it? -- Tadijaspeaks 18:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:AGF one of our core policies. You cannot really do anything a AGF hook but it doen't really matter, the hook will go on the main page in the next few days.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 18:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * O, God, that! OK, i didn't realize you think of that! Well, ok then! Very nice! Thanks! -- Tadijaspeaks 18:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Oh and another thing, when you add in a nomination of your own, consider reviewing another nom. It cuts down the backlog that plagues DYK on a day to day basis.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 18:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ОК, i will! All best! -- Tadijaspeaks 18:25, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for verifying that MoH winner for me- that was bloody quick. :) Oh, and some comfort food for you: HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

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 * I sometimes try to get new noms out of the way so others can review the older ones faster. Thanks for the cookie!--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 18:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Ping
You have email x 2. Nothing urgent.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:32, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

RE: Spelling help
FYI - The Firefox browser will mark spelling errors in the Wikipedia "content" box which could help you correct problems before hitting "save page". Active Banana (talk) 19:38, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Also you can use lots of monobook.js scripts in Firefox too, a lot of which can't be used, or aren't actively supported in IE. If I'm not mistaken, WP:Twinkle is one of them. And, IMHO, it just looks better. <font face="Segoe Print"><font color=#0040B0>The Thing // <font color=#007080>Talk  // <font color=#00A050>Contribs  04:03, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I know. In fact I'm using it right now but when I come back from vacation, my computer in my actual house doesn't have enough "room" to download firefox. I'm still in the process of transferring over a lot of my stuff on that one to a new one so perhaps in a few months or so I'll be able to permanently use FF.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 14:15, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, it doesn't have enough room? Wow. Well if you have a spare flash drive laying around, there's a portable version of firefox that you can install on that drive. <font face="Segoe Print"><font color=#0040B0>The Thing // <font color=#007080>Talk  // <font color=#00A050>Contribs  20:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

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 * Wow thanks! I'll download that now!--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 20:55, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
~ Nerdy<font color="#0F0">Science <font color="#8d7">Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 21:03, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Could you have a look?
at T:TDYK. Something seems to have buggered up after your comment, but it's 2AM here and I'm just trying to make a dent in the AfC backlog before I go to bed, so could you figure out why the section below it isn't displaying when it shows up in the wikitext? Ta, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've tried to fix it but It won't work....--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 00:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK comment
Dear, White Shadows, I have addressed your comment at T:TDYK. Thanks for you help. Arsonal (talk) 08:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for German submarine U-1163
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DYK for Revoljucija
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Ping!
You have mail. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm hiding this message here so others will not see it. I am not sure what to do about U-28. It is very interesting. However, some may say that it is too short because it doesn't cover the ship that well. The patrols are covered but actual information on the ship is one large paragraph. I don't want to call it a "fail" but maybe someone else can review it. If there is another category, like "I like it", then it passes! RIPGC (talk) 04:42, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems to cover the ship perfectly fine. There is a nice lead (though it could use a bit of expansion) and it also covers the technical side of the U-boat as well as giving info on every patrol.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 15:48, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Please be responsible and do that lead expansion in July. Please don't forget!  This will make it a definite GA.  Please don't make a fool of me if you don't improve it and someone successfully challenges the GA.  Congratulations. RIPGC (talk) 05:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Question
Do you think is a Guitarherochristopher sock? ~ Nerdy<font color="#0F0">Science <font color="#8d7">Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 01:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * To be honest, no. He is likely a member of Coldplaying.com (as am I)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 01:40, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Could you have another look?
Hey, can you take another look at this DYK nom? You verified it, then it turned out there were some copyvio issues from the AfC submission which were removed, taking it below 1500 characters but I've expanded it so could you take a look so it doesn't get lost in the sea of DYK noms? :) Thanks, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Verified :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 19:30, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Much obliged. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:50, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Academy Fight Song
I decided to remove the tag on the article Academy Fight Song in which you nominated for speedy deletion. However I brought it up to Articles for deletion for a consensus to be made. <font color="#0645AD">Minima <font color="#0645AD">c <font color="#0645AD"> (<font color="#0645AD">talk ) 06:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Musical tastes maturing, maybe? :)--Wehwalt (talk) 10:43, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow. When I first saw the article, it was an easy CSD candidate. Good to see that it was improved a bit. I'll take a look at it now.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 14:12, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Rudyard Kipling (ship)
Hello! Your submission of Rudyard Kipling (ship) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! AngChenrui (talk) 13:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi White Shadows, with regards to your DYK nomination of Rudyard Kipling (ship) here, can I confirm if you would like it to be moved to the April Fool's DYK nominations page, or kept for ordinary listing? You're the creator and nominator of the article, so the right ultimately is with you. Decide soon, the current nomination's running old! Good day ahead, AngChenrui (talk) 09:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I just wanted to inform you I have moved it to the April Fool's DYK nominations page. You can see it there. Thank you very much, AngChenrui (talk) 10:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Action Man: Search for Base X
I went ahead and added an alt for the DYK (see here to find the area where it is right now). Sorry it's still rather dull, but the game was kind of meddling and mediocre. Nomader (Talk) 17:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

List of Nunavut general elections
Hi! Thanks for yout offer of help. I think the best thing you could do help get this article up to FL status (and hence get Canadian elections back up to FT status) would be to follow the suggestions at User talk:Tompw. Cheers. Tom pw (talk) (review) 20:47, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 02:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for yoru work on this article - it's definately improved. I've followed up on your suggestion by moving one of the noets into the lead. The rest of the notes are all relate to by-elections after MLAs stepped down or resigned. I'm begining to think we should have an article List of Nunavut by-elections, with links to that rather than notes.
 * That sounds like a good idea. How much more do you think we need to add before it's ready for another FLC?--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 15:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
You have  new messages ( last change ).  — fetch ·  comms   02:29, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Re:Question
This had already crossed my mind. You've shown a great commitment to the Cup, and have already been dealing with a lot of judgey things anyway. At this stage, I think I would be more than happy with this. There will have to be more discussion of the issue closer to the time, but, short answer, "yes". J Milburn (talk) 10:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Lee
I think it is going to be a considerable project, but we have time to consider it while working on Liberty (I hope to start that shortly now that Tosca is safely deposited at FAC, but there is a long list of comments I need to work through on Ernest first). On Lee, I see you doing the writing (don't worry, I will go over it closely) the Civil War and Mexican war sections. I plan to conclude with a section tracing Lee's reputation and legacy, which I find has altered very much over the years, see by way of an example of what I have in mind here. I will work on that, as well as the other peacetime parts of the article.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That's going to be one hard article to write that's for sure. I'm perfectly fine with writeing the Mexican and Civil War sections as I have tons of sources about Lee and the Civil War in general. (Though I'll have to take a few trips to the library/borders for some sources about the Mexican War) Once I return to Virginia in about a month, I'll get to work (since my sources are all over there)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 14:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No great hurry. I think it is hard, but well worth doing.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * True. I cannot wait to see this go on the main page one day....--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 14:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Next April, I'm thinking, would be several very good 150th anniversaries. Lee's resignation from the US Army, for example, or his commissioning to lead Virginia's forces.  Or simply on the anniversary of Fort Sumter, although Lee had nothing to do with that, but it "started the Civil War".  I'm thinking we can get this to FAC in October.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, that would give me enough time to get some more sources.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 14:50, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I bought a handful of books on Lee at a used bookstore I like, no bios, just discussing various aspects of him. There are many books about Lee, we need to take care not to have too many sources.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * True. I remember reading in this one interesting little fact book about the civil war that Lee has the second most amount of books published about any American (Washington is #1). The most basic thing to do would be to copy edit the article and then we could worry about the structure of the text (some sections seem out of place and some need writing ect.)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 14:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, and if there are any talk page watchers, it will get them used to our presence.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah I forgot, there are bound to be people already working on it. Hopefully we can work peacefully with whoever they are.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 15:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I dropped a note on talk page a few days ago, no one responded, but there's been a brief discussion of Lee's class rank since then. Images should not be a problem either.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:12, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well that's good to know. I am bit scared about writing an FA from an article in the current state as this. I don't know where to start. It seems to me like I'll have to gut entire sections and start from scratch....--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows  <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 15:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, but one at a time. It is important to keep articles in service as they are improved.  If several hundred or thousand people a day are looking at it, they can't be too inconvenienced.  Like, in theory, road reconstruction.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. When we get to work on it, I'll slowly make the changes. I'm guessing that we'll take this to GAN first and then ACR/FAC next?--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 15:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Either that or peer review. I'm guessing that taking it for A class might be even harder than FAC because reviewers will be more likely to be strongly opinionated.  Let's discuss that later.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:21, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 15:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Ersatz Monarch class
Just to make sure you see it, the review is here. Parsecboy (talk) 15:28, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I passed the article for GA, nice work. I thought I'd make a suggestion: you should try to get a scan of a line-drawing of the class that you can put in the infobox. You can upload it under fair use (like I did for Amagi class battlecruiser here). I think Conway's has a line-drawing you can use. Parsecboy (talk) 13:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You know what I think that I found an online image of the line drawing. I'll do that thanks :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 14:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

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Teeth
Make the fuck sure they put you out. There is no reason why you should have to suffer any pain or anxiety over this. I realize that others have a voice in your medical treatment, but speaking as one who has had three of his four wisdom teeth removed and also three teeth replaced with implants (one took four attempts before it stopped failing), that whole thing about the Spartan boy never uttering a cry while the wolf chewed on his vitals, or however it was? Obsolete. I've made it very clear to my dentist that I am allergic to pain and that I expect him to accommodate me. Life has enough pain in it that we can afford to leave out the unnecessary bits. That being said, good luck and I hope that your parents are not insisting on them being dug out with a dull spoon.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am being put out don't worry. but I'll still be in pain for a week or so and I'll not even be able for a day :(--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 23:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That's good. I find the pain period usually is shorter than what the dentist says, they give you the worst case.  Gums heal quickly.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That's good. My biggest fear is that the dentist will mess up....--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 00:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No, this is utterly routine for them. You go out like a light, it is utterly amazing.  Then you'll wake up, and the thing is, the first two times I had it, there was a total disconnect between my mind and my mouth.  I really wasn't completely aware of what I was saying and apparently I was very silly.  The other times I had it (I haven't had it in around seven years) I was much more self aware.  I don't know if it was the dosage or me getting adjusted to it in some way.  I am sure people will insist, but you actually will want to take it easy and just go to bed after this.  Cooperate with the inevitable, I would.  Don't worry, you will feel fine once it all wears off.  Always trust professionals to know and do their jobs,   And you save so much pain!  You just don't want to be there when this is happening to you.  Relax.  There is no need to be tense.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright thanks for letting me know about this. I'll be offline for a few days after today and will my summer assignments and my trip to Canada in the next two weeks, I'll likely be gone for the rest of this month and some of next. I'll see you guys around very soon :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 00:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Np, let me know how it turns out. Where in Canada are you going?--Wehwalt (talk) 00:23, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Montreal.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 00:28, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Been there many times. Great place to eat is Patati Patata, corner of Saint-Laurent and Jane, they have the most incredible French fries in the universe, with the possible exception of In-n-out burger out west.  If someone says "tabernac" to you, they are not being friendly.  Enjoy!--Wehwalt (talk) 00:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll keep that in mind :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 00:32, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * And so it begins. I'll (probably) not edit at all tomorrow. Wish me a happy wiki birthday guys! :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 21:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
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Your signature
Hey, you might want to put a non-breaking space or two in your sig- I just saw your comment on Blue's talk page and the "I" in "I ran away from you" (on my screen, anyway) is on a separate line to the rest, which threw me for a minute! ;) Just a thought from a friendly talk page stalker! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:37, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * My sig was getting old anyway, I've changed it. Let me know if there are still issues. My computer looks fine so it's probably something wrong with your CPU not the sig :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 01:44, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So I see! It just looks different different screens, that's all (something that's of great importance for Main Page admins!). That's why we put an nbsp between a number and a unit of measurement for example or any of the other weird and fiddly things (take *mp for example!) you'll see in the markup of ITN in particular! It's not a problem, it was just a thought. I have an nbsp in my sig between "HJ" and "Mitchell", for example because it annoys me when the line breaks there! :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I don't see anything so I never thought to change anything. Oh and guess the song that's in my sig now....--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 02:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I would if you signed your post! :P HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry, I think that I'm suffering from WP:DRUNK though this is not related to alcohol at all! If anything it's lack of sleep....--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 02:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You have mail, if you;re still awake! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:12, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Is my "help" still needed? -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  05:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps not but I have not looked at the article yet.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 14:56, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, just wanted to check. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  17:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

One thing you could do
Do you have references on French vessels? There is presently no article on the French frigate Isère, which transported the disassembled statue to the US, I'd like that to be a blue link. Can you write a brief article or tell me who in the MilHist wikiproject is the person to ask? Also, Ernest Augustus I of Hanover is now at FAC, if you have time to review it. Ironically, I also have a painful dentist's appointment on the 21st. they are doing the second half of a deep cleaning of my gums to eliminate tiny pockets of infection that could come back to bite me (ha ha) later. They will numb me but leave me conscious.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:12, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I could probably find something somewhere but you'll likely get more info from Ed or Sturmvogel...--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 14:56, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll ask Ed then.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

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Your User and Talk page
...have a seriously flawed html-design. Want to have a look how they render here ? <http://rapidshare.com/files/408079429/whiteshadows.jp> And yes i can read other Wikipedia pages well. :) 217.235.13.103 (talk) 22:12, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * i've commented one letter of that URL, WS, so you can think about whether this is a safe place to go. It could be a page which exposes your computer to attack.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:14, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * RapidShare? Of course, the IP could just upload the image to commons and make it easier. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 22:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok thats understandable. Bad idea of mine, but i didn't want to make an account. In case you don't want to look it up its completely broken, because of text zoom and other user-css. It's all layered on top each other in the middle of the screen. Fixed width html is a bad thing. 217.235.13.103 (talk) 22:21, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So how do I fix this?--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 22:25, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well don't use fixed width elements and dont't try to be too smart with html. It somehow even broke my signature, no idea why. It was just meant as a hint, i don't want to bug you. :) 217.235.13.103 (talk) 22:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * the text here keeps showing up as green so I know there is an issue. Can someone who actually knows what they are doing assist me? :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 22:33, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you say if the pages of User:Tiptoety, User:JamieS93, and User:December21st2012Freak are also broken? They're all based on the same template.  Im not doubting you, but Im wondering if it's something in your browser settings that's causing the problem since I would expect it would have been mentioned by now if it were a common problem.   —  Soap  —  22:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm useing firefox but every now and then when I see my talk page (not my userpage) the text halfway down the page is green and the font is different and I cannot edit a section but from the top of the page.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows  <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 22:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The Thing's sig had unclosed font tags . – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 22:37, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The bleeding font problem seems to occur because of you transcluding the special:newpages, which also changes the title of your page sometimes. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 22:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a known MediaWiki bug. See WP:VPT. ~ Nerdy<font color="#0F0">Science <font color="#8d7">Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 22:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Jamie's page isn't broken, the other two are. Sure it's the text-zoom i got in my browser, but HTML is supposed to render well anyway. There are minor errors on some other pages too, but this template makes it unusable. 217.235.13.103 (talk) 22:40, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikibirthday
I've been here for a year now.....though I've only been of assistance for about 6 1/2 months :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 00:17, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Happy Wikibirthday! How goes the fixing above? If it matters, I've had similar problems with your page title changing, random font colour changes, section edit links disappearing, but I assumed it was just me or some temporary glitch, so I didn't mention it. :) HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks and the same thing happened to me! I thought the same :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 00:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * How many idiots like us do you think have come to that conclusion? Btw, I changed your userbox in honour of your wikibirthday! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:40, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed, it;s on my watch list. Too bad I'll be having 4 wisdom teeth pulled on my Wikibirthday....--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 00:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You're probably better off without them- wisdom teeth are a pain in the arse! Your page title just change to special:NewPages/1 again and all the section edit links vanished. You should probably get that fixed. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I know but I don't know how....someone get me !X--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 01:21, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I"m sorry guys but I'm going to take the next few more days off. These pain killers from that surgery made me throw up three times right next to the computer chair. (It's all cleaned up) I'll see you all later and Plut, believe it or not but I was not trying to gain attention through my 1 year wikibirthday. I'll see y'all around :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 00:30, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * (*polite cough*) →WP:MYSPACE. Talk pages are for people to talk to you, about Wikipedia.  —Sladen (talk) 08:58, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * (*polite cough*) → Oh. Oops. ;-)
 * Seriously, is this post a real problem? WhiteShadows article edit count is typically higher in absolute terms than my article edit count. I see WP:MYSPACE as a problem when an "editor" is solely or largely using Wikipedia for social networking, and I do not believe that that's the case here. This isn't entirely directed at you, Sladen, so apologies if it comes off that way - it's partly in response to a post, now disappear-ed, that I noticed yesterday and didn't get a chance to respond to. <b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b> 09:25, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I rarely ever begin a thread on my talk page. I just thought that a Wikibirthday was a big deal to some extent.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 15:43, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see this as a problem myself, and was a little taken aback by a post in reaction to it that's now gone. As I mentioned after your RfA, be yourself. If posting about a wikibirthday is yourself, cool. It's fine. Take care of the sore mouth, and come back to editing when you're better. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 18:46, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am being myself and in doing so I made this section. I think that being here for a year is a big deal IMHO. My mouth is killing me but I'm still editing a bit. (though those pain killers and anti-biotics are driving me crazy....--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 18:49, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope you feel better soon WS. --John (talk) 18:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks and trust me, I'm a lot better than I was yesterday. I cannot remember a thing from before 1:30 yesterday.....--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 18:56, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I warned you about that. God only knows what you said.  Hopefully, no one will ever mention it.  Glad you are feeling better, though.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah the dentist said that I talked the whole time but I cannot remember a thing if my life depended on it :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life :::20:52, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, the friends who drove me home the first time I had the dental implant said the same thing about me. As did the guy who does work around my house who drove me home the second time, said friends having moved to California.  Oh well.  No one has demanded blackmail.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:03, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * True. So it must have not been that bad.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 21:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No doubt. If you have time and the inclination, could you read over Statue of Liberty for grammatical mistakes, all that good stuff? --Wehwalt (talk) 23:29, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really sure why you're asking me but sure.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 23:46, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Why not? And thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:09, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK
Hey White Shadows, I was working with a new user here and was wondering if you could review his draft against the DYK criteria (see the bottom of the thread in the first blue link in this post for an explanation why). I know it is not up to scratch now, but would like some feedback from someone who has been through the process before. Thanks, Airplaneman   ✈  04:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. Getting my wisdom teeth extracted only made me look like a chipmunk for a week ;). But trust me, it is worth it. Good luck, and happy Wikibirthday! Airplaneman   ✈  04:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks fine but the books are out of order. See WP:MOS. You're supposed to have the books after the refs.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 15:46, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching that :). Feel better soon, Airplaneman   ✈  04:59, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

U-30
Hi, I've passed German submarine U-30 for GA. Good work addressing all my comments, I realise they were probably a bit more like a mini-ACR, but anyway. I added a couple of citations to Blair for you. Please check that you agree with my additions. Keep up the good work. Cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 02:04, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks great. Thanks for doing the GA review :) You were so thorough that it just may pass an ACR!--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 02:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries at all. Take care. AustralianRupert (talk) 02:23, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

German submarine U-42 (1939)
Hello. In May you added a citation to a book from the "Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases" series published by Icon Group International to this article. Unfortunately, Icon Group International is not a reliable source - their books are computer-generated, with most of the text copied from Wikipedia (most entries have [WP] by them to indicate this, see e.g. ). I've only removed the reference, not the text it was referencing. I'm removing a lot of similar references as they are circular references; many other editors have also been duped by these sources. Despite giving an appearance of reliability, the name "Webster's" has been public domain since the late 19th century. Another publisher to be wary of as they reuse Wikipedia articles is Alphascript Publishing. Fences &amp;  Windows  15:44, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh my God, how did I let those in that article? I remember reading that they ripped off parsec on his articles about German BB's....I'm sorry about that, I'll go over my other U-boat articles and removed any refs from them if I find it.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 16:06, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm Back!

 * Good to have you back Buggie.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 15:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So as to quickly finish this topic and not leave it for later, do you think Franz Ferdinand ready for another FAC after her Sokol treatment? I'm available for the next several months, so I'll be able to watch over it. Thanks again. Buggie111 (talk) 16:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess though I want to add in a book by Greger before we re-submit it.--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 21:37, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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Re:Offer
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U-36
Hi, White Shadows. I've started the GA review for German submarine U-36 (1936). There are a few outstanding issues, but they can wait until you get back from your holiday. When you get a chance please take a look. Cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 07:14, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm not sure if you saw my reply to your question on my talkpage regarding the GAN for this article. I forgot to post a talkback, sorry. Essentially the gist was that I'm fine with reseting the timeframe for the review and have done so. I'm not adverse to keeping it open longer if you need more time. Cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 15:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I saw it. Thanks anyway ;)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">It's a wonderful life 15:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)