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Can you help verify translations of articles from Chinese
Hello White whirlwind,

Would you be able to help evaluate the accuracy of translations of Wikipedia articles from Chinese to English Wikipedia?



This would involve evaluating a translated article on the English Wikipedia by comparing it to the original Chinese article, and marking it "Pass" or "Fail" based on whether the translation faithfully represents the original. Here's the reason for this request:

There are a number of articles on English Wikipedia that were created as machine translations from different languages including Chinese, using the Content Translation tool, sometimes by users with no knowledge of the source language. The config problem that allowed this to happen has since been fixed, but this has left us with a backlog of articles whose accuracy of translation is suspect or unknown, including some articles translated from Chinese. In many cases, other editors have come forward later to copyedit and fix any English grammar or style issues, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the translation is accurate, as factual errors from the original translation may remain. To put it another way: Good English is not the same as good translation.

If you can help out, that would be great.

All you have to do, is compare the English article to the Chinese article, and mark it "Pass" or "Fail" (templates Pass and Fail may be useful). (Naturally, if you feel like fixing an inaccurate translation and then marking it "Pass", that's even better, but it isn't required.)

If you can help, please let me know. Thanks! Mathglot (talk)

"Lazy reverting"
I'm just letting you know, this edit summary wasn't appreciated. "Lazy reverting"? Really? Do better next time. You know as well as I do if you add content, a source has to be provided and if it isn't, that addition is likely to be reverted; nothing lazy about it. Snickers2686 (talk) 17:40, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that edit summary bothered you. Unfortunately, you are quite wrong. You said, "if you add content, a source has to be provided." This is false. According to WP:Verifiability, "All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material." WP:Citing sources says the same: "Wikipedia's verifiability policy requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations, anywhere in article space." Wikipedia does not now have, and never has had, a policy that all material requires a citation. As I understand your revert's edit summary, you weren't challenging the substance of the content itself or its inherent verifiability, only the fact that I forgot to add the citation. Hence, no citation was required. (The type of material I tend to add on judges' pages nearly always comes from their SJC questionnaires and presents no verifiability problems.)  White Whirlwind   17:59, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * No, if it's going to be challenged, as it was, then it needs a source. Not hard to understand. You added content that wasn't from citations already provided, that's why it was reverted. End of story. Snickers2686 (talk) 02:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You'll want to review WP:Verifiability. "Whether and how quickly material should be initially removed for not having an inline citation to a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article. In some cases, editors may object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references. Consider adding a citation needed tag as an interim step. " If you don't understand the official policies here, it'll hinder your ability to contribute to the project.  White Whirlwind   02:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't need to be quoting policy to me, I understand it quite well. Been involved in the project for years with hardly any intervening action, so I think I'll be just fine, thanks Snickers2686 (talk) 02:49, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I thought perhaps I did. I’m glad to hear that I don’t.   White Whirlwind   05:07, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Suggested improvements for Dahua Technology
Hi White whirlwind, I am working on improving and adding content to the Dahua Technology article. As you have shown interest in China-related matters and are a member of WP:China, I thought you may be interested in reviewing my latest edit request. I would appreciate if you would help implement the changes, as I am not editing directly due to my COI. Thanks, Caitlyn23 (talk) 22:09, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Erie Railroad and Butler's opinion
I understand what you are saying, but here's the problem: the Court reversed the Second Circuit. Butler's opinion ends with this paragraph;


 * "I am of opinion that the constitutional validity of the rule need not be considered, because under the law, as found by the courts of Pennsylvania and generally throughout the country, it is plain that the evidence required a finding that plaintiff was guilty of negligence that contributed to cause his injuries and that the judgment below should be reversed upon that ground."

So, he concurred with the result, reversing the court below. He disagreed with the grounds of reversal. That's a concurrence, not a dissent. At 304 U.S. 80 Butler's opinion is not listed as a dissent. Knockanar (talk) 17:48, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * We're getting into some fuzzy territory about what constitutes a dissent. But we can't do WP:Original research. We are bound by what we find in the major WP:Reliable sources. Let's try checking other prominent treatises and law review articles.  White Whirlwind   20:55, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks; I went onto Westlaw this afternoon and checked a few, and they all call it a dissent, which I don't understand at all (I assume you are a lawyer like me, and we have both known since law school the difference between a dissent and a concurrence). I tinkered a bit with the paragraph about Butler's opinion, calling it a separate opinion that is often called a dissent ... Knockanar (talk) 21:03, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I understand your concern and confusion. But if the majority of the reliable sources call it a dissent, then so shall we.  White Whirlwind   21:24, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

author-mask
Hi, White whirlwind. What is the problem with author-mask that you refer to here? Kanguole 00:14, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


 * It doesn't work well with the ref mouseover feature. Users just see a blank line without the context of an above entry specifying who the author is. (Edit: to be specific, I'm referring to the "Reference Previews" beta feature, which has nearly half a million users and appears headed for standard adoption.)  White Whirlwind   00:45, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You mean Reference Tooltips? I'm one of those half million users. I have an ingrained reaction at the sight of repeated author names, so it would be a pity to lose this feature. I've raised the issue at Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 86. Kanguole 19:36, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Maybe the coders can come up with way to disable the mask parameter for the mouseovers.  White Whirlwind   21:28, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

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Please place the citations from which you draw your information
...when you place content in articles. (I'm presuming you draw from published sources; it violates WP:OR and WP:VERIFY to draw information from memory / personal knowledge, rather than direct from digital or print sources.)

If your content is being drawn from sources already appearing, use the markup to reproduce the appearing inline citation to your source, at the point where new information is being placed.

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 * I'm well aware of how citations work. It would help if you mentioned what prompted your comment. To the extent you're suggesting that every sentence needs a citation, WP:VERIFY has never required that and never will.  White Whirlwind   03:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

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Zhuangzi article
Hey! As you know I've been building upon your excellent work on Zhuangzi (book) and am doing my very best to treat it with care, but I am sensitive to the fact that it's your work, so I just wanted to check that you think my tweaks and additions are appropriate—not to make more work for you to do if you don't have the time, I just like to be communicative. :) cheers! Remsense  留  11:47, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

re:template
I just saw your edit summary on Zuo Zhuan: I did fix the template by adding the ability to bracket terms, I just forgot to edit the template in place on that specific article. apologies. Remsense 诉  21:52, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

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sorry for swapping the portrait it was pretty late and ive shouldve gone to sleep at that point idk why i did that anyway have fun and be yourself despite what the haters say. peace ― Howard • 🌽33 10:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
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