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Sandstone
Where were these? I need them to build a new barbeque! --Stephen 04:18, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Partenariat Versailles
Bonjour, et merci pour ton message. Je me permets de t'y répondre en français.

J'ai mis en place ce matin la présentation du partenariat sur Wikipedia en anglais : GLAM/Château de Versailles. Si tu veux participer au projet, même depuis l'Australie, c'est tout à fait possible. Toutes les idées sont les bienvenues.

Merci pour tes commentaires ! Trizek here or on wpfr 10:26, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Bonjour ! Je vais essayer de trouver un spécialiste ou un chercheur sur les jardins pour te renseigner. Je te tiens au courant. Trizek here or on wpfr 08:43, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Question about references
Hi Whiteghost, I did not add the passage about the costs of fitting and refitting the ship; all I did was some minor wikifying. The early history of that article is actually at the title HMS Resolution. This mangled diff shows that the text was added by Conversion script in 2002, but this is not actually true: the edit just before the one by Conversion Script, the one that added the information, is permanently lost. I specialise in recovering early Wikipedia history, and even *I* can't find it! In Wikipedia's early days, it was common to copy entries from public domain encyclopedias and dictionaries, but I can't figure out where the offending text came from ... it is not in the Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition, and Google searches on passages in the article don't turn up anything useful. I'm sorry that I can't be of more assistance. Graham 87 01:08, 24 March 2011 (UTC)


 * My best guess for who added the text would be, , or , but it could have been an anonymous user, or anyone at all, really. Graham 87 01:20, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: April 2011
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Reliability Project
Hi, I am glad you want to join. If there are technical questions, just leave me a note on my talk page and I will help. It is all for free, so please do ask whenever you need help. I would really like to get Wikipedia to be 99.9% accurate as well. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 07:20, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Adding name to Project
Hi, Two separate items:


 * First item: To add your name there you can just type 4 tilde characters ~ just as you do when you sign your name. The system will then automatically replace that there. So to add your name, please just type 4 ~ as you do at the end of talk page messages and it will happen.


 * It is generally pretty error prone to try to add one's own name the long way with square brackets - typos will get in the way pretty easily that way. You probably made a typing error - which could easily be expected. But just signing your name will do it. Else please ask again and we will figure it out.


 * Second item: The double curly brackets "{{" and its reverse are often used for Templates so typing them around the word GLAM will put the GLAM template here on your talk page.

So please just try the 4 tilde approach on the project page and then ask if there are other issues. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 15:09, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

24 hour challenge
What an interesting idea. I think 24 hours is too short and in general and 72 would be better, but that might be a way to get experts to cooperate in Wikipedia - even if they do not go anywhere. I had not thought about that. But a pretty good new avenue for improving reliability if one thinks about it in more detail.

Is the July 6 date just for the French Wikipedia? My French is pretty rusty and my recollection of Versailles is even more so - except that the hotel next to it was just great. But if there is a way to see how it works without having to do it on the French version, I will join it to see how it works.

I have been thinking about how to get experts to work on articles, and this idea of a 24 or 48 hour "time donation" by 3-4 experts is well worth pursuing I think. I discussed the expert issues some time ago on the Village pump and the main barrier was the protection of their efforts 3 months after the fact. But if there are other users who agree to watch the page that, coupled with a 48 hour limit on the time may get a few experts. Let us talk about this more, perhaps on the project talk page after you join it. Thanks for the suggestion - it will probably become pretty useful. History2007 (talk) 15:30, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi,
 * RE: After the fact help. If you need after the fact help with the Versailles article, formatting it, etc. I will be glad to help there. So I will add my name to that list.


 * RE: Starting articles, It is not hard to do it really. And sometimes when you just start, other people will come out of nowhere and help. I started Langlois Bridge at Arles just because I liked that and a year later other users arrived and expanded it to a much better article. So if you have an artistic topic, let us do a first article together on it, and then you can use that as a template for your next one. History2007 (talk) 01:53, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

General markup pointers
A general markup item: If you use a single square bracket like "[" then you will need to use "http://en.wikipedia.org" before it and it will look like.

But if you use two square brackets like "" then you do not need "http://en.wikipedia.org" before it and can just type [[Paris.

If you like I will set up a simple "article template" for you as a subpage, and you can just copy that to make a new article. History2007 (talk) 02:05, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Sample page
I added a sample page User:Whiteghost.ink/Sample and if you just add text to that it will be a first article. History2007 (talk) 02:13, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, please just add text to that sample page and if there are questions, just ask. If I am off line at some point WP:Helpdesk can also answer questions.


 * By teh way, did you try adding a signature to the reliability page? Did it not work? History2007 (talk) 02:25, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

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Versailles
Hi,


 * 1. Yes, I think starting afresh in a sandbox is the best idea.
 * 2. Yes, references must come last. It is a nightmare getting the text strightt while doing the refereces. The best way would be to write REF1, REF2, etc. in the text in the Sandbox and at the "very end" replace REF1 etc.
 * 3. Have you tried http://translate.google.com/ to get a first cut. It is not perfect but works reasonably well on French to give you a first cut, and then you can clean it up.  Note that if you enter the URL into it, it will translate "the whole page" including sections etc.
 * 4 Once the final text has become stable, I will help you format the references etc.

Cheers History2007 (talk) 06:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Versailles Research Centre
Hello! Your submission of Versailles Research Centre at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! cmadler (talk) 13:49, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello !
 * I've renammed the article about the research centre with a more accurate name.
 * About the DYK, don't you think the article about the Passemant Astronomical clock may be better ? This clock was the official time for the kingdom, and was made in order to work until year 9999 ! Surprenant, non ?
 * Thanks a lot for your great work ! Trizek here or on wpfr 17:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Bonsoir !
 * J'ai modifié, et apporté des sources pour la pendule. J'ai aussi changé le lien vers le site internet sciences.chateauversailles.fr pour afficher la page en anglais.
 * J'ai regardé les accroches (traduction de "catchline" ou "hook" ; "crochet" is "hook" as in "captain Hook") et je trouve celle sur le CRCV meilleure et j'ai ajouté l'année pour la pendule. J'ai sûrement mal écrit, par contre !
 * Merci pour tout ce travail ! Trizek here or on wpfr 08:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Merci pour tout ce travail ! Trizek here or on wpfr 08:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * This article is still held up at DYK. It needs to have some references besides the organization's own website. Can you find some more references? We are trying to put together some France-related DYKs for July 14, so please take a look as soon as possible. Thanks!   Sharktopus  talk  11:27, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Anglican Diocese of Sydney
Hi, White Ghost! I just removed an edit of yours, and I'm leaving you a note to say why. It's about the tagging of St James, King St and Christ Church St Lawrence as "different". Not a good way to go.

That paragraph, like most of the paragraphs in that article, have been hammered out and refined to say exactly what is has to say. The word "Evangelicalism" has been placed to summarise a multitude of meanings. It reads as if the "low church" practice of Sydney, the general abandonment of liturgy was all essential to "Evengelicalism.

The ways in which Christ Church St Lawrence and St James King Street differ from many other churches in the diocese has to do with liturgical practice rather than with whether they are "Evangelical" which has to do with substance in the preaching and teaching.

I went for many years to St Stephen's Newtown where the preaching was Evangelical. However, it was Evangelical without being Calvinist. It was Evangelical with sung responses and the Gloria. It was Evangelical and supported the ordination of women. It was Evangelical and treated the gay couples in the congregation just like any other couples. For that reason I am wary of singling out two churches and dropping them into the "different" box. The subtleties of difference go far far beyond that well-placed word "Evangelicalism".

Amandajm (talk) 14:15, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * That's right. You didn't add anything about Evangelicalism. You added to this already existent paragraph:
 * Within the Sydney diocese there are parishes which support a range of doctrinal positions or use formal liturgical styles of worship that differ from the Evangelicalism which is dominant within the diocese.************* Differences can become politicised prior to the election of an archbishop with a number of clergy coalescing into like-minded groups. The two most visible groups are The Anglican Church League who support the Diocese's majority Evangelical position and Anglicans Together who are more theologically broad in their understanding of the Bible and promote a diversity of liturgical practice, which they believe to be in line with the Lambeth Quadrilateral. 
 * Where there is a row of *****s, you added the names of Christ Church and King Street. (16th November 2010)
 * What I am telling you is that your addition of those two churches' names was inappropriate.


 * They differ in "liturgical style", rather than in "Evangelicalism".
 * The sentence that immediately followed was about politicising. This wasn't appropriate to St James or Christ Church either.
 * If you don't understand exactly what is implied in the first sentence, and/or you are unaware of just how far the politicising extended in the last elections, then please take my word for the fact that it isn't appropriate to cite those two churches, simply on the grounds of their liturgical practice. It is not as straightfoward as that.
 * Amandajm (talk) 04:24, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Passemant Astronomical clock
Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

St James', King Street
I have left a lengthy message on the discussion page. Have you got iyt on your "watch list"?

Amandajm (talk) 05:51, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Château de Versailles ready for the National day
Hi Whiteghost.ink !

I'm a little bit late, but I've just taken this picture in order to illustrate the French National day in Versailles.

Trizek here or on wpfr 16:23, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Palace of Versailles Research Centre
Thanks for the article Victuallers (talk) 00:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Versailles
Hi, I saw that you did a great job on the Passemant clock. i added refs to that so that the tag could come off - looks better that way, and the All Versailles book ref conforms the article anyway. About refs vs notes, I actually had a long discussion with that on a separate page and I do not follow the separation of refs, because it makes it harder to read, because needs two clicks. So please do accept my apologies on that. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 08:44, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is how 3 million articles came about. An unusual case was San Cassiano (Venice), I started it with 1 line and an image and suddenly that prompted another user to write the whole page. History2007 (talk) 00:54, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

St James' Church, Sydney
Are you watching that article? I notice that you are the main contributor. I left a lengthy message for you on the Discussion page about two days after your last contribution to that article.Amandajm (talk) 15:07, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Amandajm, Yes, I appreciated your message and replied on your talkpage at the time (now in your archive here). I've been at Wikimania since, so have not had a chance to follow up. Whiteghost.ink 18:22, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

IRC!
Hi! I just wanted to let you know that we have created an IRC channel for women and Wikipedia: called Wikimedia-gendergap - I hope you'll join us. (And if you need any IRC help, just let me know!) See you there! SarahStierch (talk) 21:44, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: August 2011
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Just wanted to thank you
Thank you for joining the project - Looking forward to future collaboration Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 12:22, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

shana tova
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Your opinion is needed
Hello friend! I'm sad to say that the first time I'm posting on your talk page is to be somewhat spam-like, but I hope you'll forgive me! If you're able to help The Children's Museum out and take our survey on E-Volunteers, I'd be appreciative! Best - LoriLee (talk) 19:37, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Re the Children's Chapel article
Because it is a brand new article, it is eligible for the front page as a Did You Know? It needs to be nominated in the next few days. Can you come up with a good DYK question, based on this article? It can be perfectly trite, as long as it is sufficiently interesting to get people to click it. Have a look on the main page to see the sort of questions they ask. Amandajm (talk) 09:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was looking forward to nominating it, until I read the rules which say: "For DYK purposes, a "new" article is no more than five days old, and may not consist of text spun off from a pre-existing article." Did you know So that's that, I guess. I'm disappointed. I would have suggested something like "Did you know that there is an underground room painted to look like an illuminated manuscript?"
 * Well, that's a pity! Amandajm (talk) 00:03, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I gave it a go anyway, on the grounds that I was writing it at the same time as the parent article. It's not really "underground" (more "under-church") so I wrote "chapel" instead. Whiteghost.ink 04:43, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Good! It was nearly all new material that you had added to the parent article, wasn't it? Amandajm (talk) 04:58, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * BTW, if you want a bit of a laugh, or maybe a groan, check this out A guide to Anglican Liturgy for young Sydney Anglicans.  Here's the mainpage of the blog Vagaries, auguries and encounters and the connected blog Favourite things  which is a twee name, but a good excuse.... Amandajm (talk) 05:05, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Children's Chapel, St. James' Church, Sydney
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Trove
If you're looking for an easy online source of citations, this might help. --99of9 (talk) 23:57, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks. I know about this valuable resource and have been using it for a while. I am even a registered user who corrects articles. (If you have a hundred years at your disposal, you might be able to make a small beginning on that task!) A few of the references I have used on the St James' article come from there. The most exciting was http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/70602560 which is currently footnote number 18, because it surprises by producing a drawing of the church done in 1876 along with a detailed description of the memorials that were there at that time. I have corrected the texts of the articles I refer to in the footnotes to ensure that the text is readable when you go there. The most problematic is http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/37072595 (currently footnote number 22) because you have to scroll through several pages of the newspaper to find the untitled article on page 3. Whiteghost.ink 03:25, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

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Children's Chapel
I'm glad to hear it's going ahead. I should have taken a look,but I've been a bit distracted as my son is just starting the HSC. I'm glad you liked the liturgy article. I find it quite alarming that so many young Christians in Sydney don't kno the Lord's Prayer, and will argue that Jesus didn't intend us to actually use it, simply to take it a an example. Amandajm (talk) 03:42, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

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Bellavista housing estate
Thanks very much for your kind recognition. It always helps to know that there are people out there who are genuinely interested in such articles. I found your Passemant astronomical clock equally interesting. - Ipigott (talk) 07:43, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

A rave
Wow! Thanks for your kind words. When I was a Wikipedian in Residence I also enjoyed loads walking through the art rooms during the quiet moments of the museum, so I know what feeling you are talking about. Best,--Kippelboy (talk) 06:24, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

You inspired me!
To start using quote boxes in my articles =) (Alicia Dickerson Montemayor). SarahStierch (talk) 16:32, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Sydney meetup
Hi again. I'm not sure if you're interested in Sydney meetups, but I thought I'd let you know about one on this Saturday at 5pm at the Alexandria Hotel. Details here: Meetup/Sydney/November_2011. It would be great to meet you. --99of9 (talk) 00:58, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't have a mobile phone on me so... what do I call you by? —  James ( Talk •  Contribs ) • 12:14pm • 02:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, Whiteghost! Did you make to meetup?  I'm sorry I didn't get there.  I was rather exhausted, having been to Sydney the previous day for a reunion.
 * I've just passed by your home page and noticed that you were involved with the Catherine Hamlin article.  I have a fourth-degree connection with her as my sister in law is her cousin.
 * Funny story: When my youngest son was in Year 8 he had to do a class Powerpoint presentation on a charity that he supported, so he chose the Addis Ababa Fistula Hospital.  I thought that this was extremely noble for a 13 yr old boy.  However, since nobody in the class knew what a fistula was, he was obliged to describe the problem in detail.  He said that the girls in the class were horrified.  Luckily his teacher was a down-to-earth sort of person.
 * Amandajm (talk) 22:34, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * He is rather special. I'm glad that the Queen invited Catherine Hamlin to lunch. The Princess Royal, who is terribly overlooked by the media, does fantastic work in Africa.  She once pointed out that if Princess Di went to the ballet, it made the front page and that if she spent a week in Northern Ireland nobody noticed.  I have not looked at her biography on Wiki, so I don't know if it does her justice. Amandajm (talk) 00:15, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

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Children's Museum update
It's time again to share the latest news on the Children's Museum of Indianapolis Wikipedia project! In the last few months we have been busy with our third image donation, which was made up of 150 images that were professionally photographed specifically for this upload. We are asking for volunteers to categorize these images and distribute them into Wikipedia articles. Your help is appreciated! Check them out here.

We have also donated our first ' and a second ' to Commons. In September we were thrilled to welcomed Jimmy Wales to the museum. Following our successful Edit-a-Thon and Translate-a-Thon in August, translations have continued with the help of the established QRpedia community, (particularly Russian translations thanks to Lvova!) We have begun to analyze our implementation of QRpedia codes and completed an extensive case study. In November we presented at the Museum Computer Network conference about how museums can effectively collaborate with Wikipedia. You can see more details on the Prezi.

In more general news, in addition to serving as the Children's Museum's Wikipedian-in-Residence, it was recently announced that I will be taking on the role of US Cultural Partnerships Coordinator for the Wikimedia Foundation. In this role I will be working to streamline the process of connecting interested US GLAMs with the Wikipedia community. If you have any questions or suggestions, feel free to let me know. Be sure to sign up for This Month in GLAM to keep up with the latest GLAM-Wiki news from around the world (subscribe).

We have a listing of High Need and Moderate Need requests on the Ways to Help section on the project page. I encourage you to lend a hand if you're able. While the Children's Museum partnership continues to truck along, we still are in desperate need of volunteers to help disperse our images and update and maintain content. Thank you for your time and help. Happy holidays! LoriLee (talk) 16:45, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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Christmas
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