User talk:WhitetTara

Why do you want to delete information about an international accomplished feminist female artist? Doesn't that contribute to age old sexism that also exist in Wikipedia? You seem to have different standards for male and female artist.

Speedy deletion nomination of Filiz Cicek


A tag has been placed on Filiz Cicek requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), web content or organised event, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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February 2014
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Please stop removing speedy deletion notices from pages that you have created yourself, as you did with Filiz Cicek. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Wgolf (talk) 00:04, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Please do not remove speedy deletion notices from pages you have created yourself, as you did with Filiz Cicek. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Click here to contest this speedy deletion, which appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the article's talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. Thank you. Wgolf (talk) 00:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know about the signature. I am also not quite sure how to create footnotes here yet so please be patient with me. It is extremely late where I am so I have to figure that out tomorrow. If you can help me with that, that would be great. WhitetTara (talk) 00:59, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

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 * Gallery News http://www.indiana.edu/~grunwald/exhibitions.php?pid=museum-of-broken-relationships at Indiana University Grundwald (formerly SoFA) [http://www.indiana.edu/~grunwald/ Gallery

Thanks, I think fix it by re-entering the information. Does it look ok now? Is there anything else I should fix? WhitetTara (talk) 21:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 00:33, 2 February 2014 (UTC) I replied but I am not sure it went through so sorry if this is a repeat. Thank you for letting me know about the signature. I am now trying to figure out how to create footnotes. I will appreciate if you or anyone else could help with that :) . WhitetTara (talk) 01:02, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Though it is very late where I am so I am going to try to figure that out tomorrow.WhitetTara (talk) 01:03, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Copyright problem: Filiz Cicek
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Hi, I worked really hard on this page you deleted in before I can respond. I do have the permission of the author, Dr. Cicek's to use the section you are referring to. That is why I put it in the first place. I could easily go back and put ".." marks. I spend two days on this article and you deleted it when I went to bed before I can even respond and correct. So far my experience at wkipedia pretty much sucks.... WhitetTara (talk) 08:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I let Dr. Cicek know what happened and she is going to email you directly stating that I have her permission. WhitetTara (talk) 08:58, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

==Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Art, Artist, Female Artist, Feminist Art, Cinema, Transnational Cinema, German-Turkish Cinema, Migration, HH Dalai Lama==

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice that the page you created was tagged as a test page under section G2 of the criteria for speedy deletion and has been or soon may be deleted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. Pichpich (talk) 03:52, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Filiz Cicek
Hi, thanks for message. Please add your messages to the bottom of the talk page, or they may be overlooked. I deleted your article because  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  11:29, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The article was a copyright violation. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient. Quoting from a copyright text is acceptable up to a point, but more than a short extract is a copyright violation, quotation marks or not. Note that the article was tagged by another editor, so it's not just me seeing a problem here
 * it did not provide adequate independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. It is now Wikipedia policy that biographical articles about living people must have independent verifiable references, or they will be deleted. You gave several references. I checked the first ten. Apart from a deadlink, they either didn't mention her, were written by her, or were an interview with her. You need reputable third party references, her own work is not an independent source. This, for example, could have been used as reference to verify that she had been displayed there.
 * it was written in a promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. Examples of unsourced claims presented as fact include: ''so overwhelming was the response to the call for the donations representing broken relationships that the Cicek and her co-host had to stop collecting them... Cicek strives to create aesthetic outlets for artists and viewers alike, where connecting to one's primordial self is possible through our collective humanity.
 * There shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections. linking to her projects in the main text is spammy.
 * Why do you want to delete information about an international accomplished feminist female artist? Doesn't that contribute to age old sexism that also exist in Wikipedia? You seem to have different standards for male and female artist. &mdash;even if you believe that to be true, it's not a positive way forward
 * Why don't you help me rather than block my efforts.  &mdash; in fairness, rather than seek help, you have just kept recreating the article. She is probably notable, and I'm prepared to sandbox the text for you to work on, if you wish. You do need to think about referencing to independent sources though.

Hi Jim,

Anyone who has taken gender studies 101 knows the first lesson: throughout HIStory Women's achievements do not get recorded. Even if they are well known in their times, they are not put in history books. It is true for the feminist artist. The 97% of all artist in major galleries and museums are male, that number is worse for the female musicians who try to enter into big orchestras in major orchestra, only %2 percent of musicians are female. Even though the females in art and music schools are majority. But they are not hired, or exhibited, or written about after they graduate. They are rendered invisible, voiceless and faceless. This has been the case for thousands of years.

This is the case for Wikipedia. Only 13% of your contributors are female and number of females featured is dismal. To help remedy this problem, the Feminist Art movement has started movement: to start entering female artist that are important to other women in Wikipedia. I was given this task as part of my academic work.

I have been here just for a few days and I am beginning to ask, is Wikipedia ran by men for men?

I chose Dr. Cicek because she has already touched and made a difference in the lives of people from Brazil to Bloomington, from Berlin to Istanbul, from India to Kathmandu. Then again how would you know that, if your do not know feminist art or artist, because otherwise I believe you wouldn't be so quick to erase her.

Meanwhile Wikipedia have countless number of males featured (I checked) whom I never heard of, nor will, in my daily or professional life. They might be important to some other people, which is fine, but I have a problem when Wikipedia discriminate against women.

However you may be right that my article sounded promotional in tone. True, I admire Dr. Cicek greatly. But then why not give me chance to fix it (I can easily or asks others who know her work to help with writing) before speedily hitting the delete button. What you say about the references about not using what she has written also makes sense, so why not give me chance to find the sources you are looking for. You are also right about copyright issue, I should have put "..." as I did with the Museum of Broken Relationship one later on: a. I simply forgot. b. When I consulted Dr. Cicek prior to starting the article, she had told me I was free to use any materials I wanted. I believe she now written to Wikipedia about this. These are valid and constructive feedbacks; they would be most welcomed in helping me to fix the article.

My first entry was of a few sentences and it was deleted because of that. However when I explain to the editor that Dr. Cicek is one of few people who met with HH Dalai Lama to create an art exhibit he revered his decision and gave me feedback as to how to proceed. Once again That is what I ask of you. To help me get there, and NOT ERASE YET ANOTHER WOMEN AND CONTINUE RENDERING WOMEN VOICELESS. For those of us who has studied women history and art, this is our passion.

Lastly, thank you for willing to sandbox the article. But I don't know what that means. This is my first time here. It has not been my intentions to break rules. I want to go about doing the article the right way but at every turn I am stopped and blocked. Although I am quite skilled at number of things, websites and Wikipedia are not my forte. I am asking for patience and guidance. I am NOT here to spam or scam, I have better things to do in my extremely busy transnational life at the moment. Simply put I am trying to complete a feminist task that I believe in, and doing my best to learn, understand follow what you are saying.WhitetTara (talk) 00:06, 4 February 2014 (UTC)


 * You are of course correct that the majority of contributors are men and that there are far more articles about men than women. Similarly, there is a bias towards articles about the US, western Europe and Australasia, reflecting the demographics of English-speaking contributors. That is not the same as discrimination against women contributors or articles about women, and there have been active drives to encourage women contributors. The under-representation of women does not, however, mean that female contributors or articles about women should receive special treatment, I'm sure that you would view that as patronising.


 * My logs are public to view, and, for what it's worth, the only biography I've written to Good Article standard is of a woman, Pamela C. Rasmussen. You are correct that I know little about feminist art, but my actions are to ensure that articles follow our rules, and not to write content. If you recreate, try to distance yourself a bit from your subject, so that your article is neutral and encyclopaedic, not hagiographic; for example, if she has been the subject of criticism, you should say so.


 * I'm aware that I'm probably more deletionist than some admins, so I'm always prepared to help to recreate an article if it's realistic to do so. A sandbox is a place to draft an article before throwing it to the wolves in article space. I'll shortly post the deleted text here.

 Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:43, 4 February 2014 (UTC)


 * You can take as long as you like, sandboxed articles are unlikely to be deleted except for the most blatant flouting of our rules. I've got the draft article on my watchlist, so I'll help with any formatting or similar technical issues that I see. Good luck  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  13:07, 5 February 2014 (UTC)