User talk:WhitneyEllis

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 * But, now that I have a little more time -- you said on the Copyvio page that you have permission to use the text. Is there a way you can confirm that for us? If you truly do have permission to use the text, you have my sincere apologies; for the time being, please leave the article tagged until the issue can be completely resolved. If you have evidence to support yourself, you'll probably want to post it at Talk:Interoute, a page where changes to that article can be discussed; that's where other editors will look for that sort of information. If you have any questions, feel free to ask, and I'll answer to the best of my abilities. Luna Santin 11:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Huh. I do need to get to bed, soon, but if you can send me an email from your Interoute address I'll at least take down the copyvio tag. It would still be listed at the Copyright Issues page, but we (and others) could continue the discussion at Talk:Interoute. I don't know if that's complete proof, but it's definitely a start. Feel free to reach me at lunasantin@gmail.com Luna Santin 12:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I have recieved your email, thank you. I'm adding a discussion to Talk:Interoute at this time. Luna Santin 13:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Interoute
Hi. I've reviewed the Interoute article and, quite clearly and without doubt, the "article" is actually an advertisement. The choice of language used is clearly with marketing intent and, as such, meets the criteria for speedy deletion. Wikipedia is not a route to free soft marketing and the very fact that a creator notes they are running it past their boss in the marketing department makes that clear. If a company is notable enough to have an article then it should be able to stand on its own merits as a NPOV article without puffery. The extant copy has been deleted. A replacement article that meets the standards we set will probably, of course, be acceptable. --AlisonW 20:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comment. I've put the text as per when I deleted it, at /Interoute so that you can refer to it, and edit it in your own space before moving it back into the article space if you feel that is appropriate. This is something that many editors will do while they are copyediting/preparing something, treating the move to the main article space as "publication" which, of course, it is. Generally though, Wikipedia frowns upon someone editing an article about themselves, and that includes a marketing department writing one about their company! (and, as it happens, me editing the article I found one day that had been written about me ...). To take a couple of quick examples from the piece though which, I think we can both see, are not exactly what we call [[WP:NPOV|Neutral Point of View}}.
 * "is the only next generation broadband network" (my bold) ... better to state "is a broadband network"
 * "The company is key to Europe's Digital Supply Chain ..." is, again, somewhat overblown. Works great on a marketing document (I used to write the things - I know!) but isn't encyclopedic, and that is what we are here. WP isn't a place to write adverts, or carry out SEO, or - in this case - to send out promitional material to the masses. Interoute might supply services in that field, but "key"? hardly.
 * "Speeds offered range from E1 up to Gigabit Ethernet." as does every other Tier 1 company, and Tier 2, and most Tier 3 ... you get the point? "notability" is what matters. If you are publicising you are like the rest, then it doesn't add anything.
 * The 'products and services' is, again, a listing, and if every company around decided to place its product list on Wikipedia I'm sure you'd agree we'd just be seen as another business directory, and we don't need yet another of those. We like even-handed basic information, we like to know why something or someone is notable. Reams of barely-relevant information that an enquirer will retrieve from your corporate website anyway does nobody any good. --AlisonW 22:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi again (was ill the last few days so sorry for delay in replying). In general terms neither I nor any other editor can say when an article is 'ok'; that is one of the attributes of the collaborative process we have here. As it says at the foot of every edit page If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it. and I've little doubt that even though it now reads somewhat less of an advertisement than it previously did there are still parts that retain some sense of such. I would hope though that the majority of the article would survive the wiki-editing process. The James Kinsella section, btw, seems misplaced. --AlisonW 12:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

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You have altered KellyKinsella's request for username change. Tampering with another user's request (or another user's post in general) is unacceptable behavior. Do not do anything like this again, or you will blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you, Redux 04:18, 16 June 2006 (UTC)