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Burj Khalifa
I understand, but should it be mentioned that there are 46 maintenance levels in the spire, bringing the floor count in the chart to 209? Lightspeed2012 22:43, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty &#124; Averted crashes 22:44, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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Regarding the History of the MBTA Green Line article
There is a discussion on the Talk:Green Line (MBTA) article. I apologize if you did not see it before. As I said there, I was thinking that the content should be restored, but then the article should be moved so that it is about the line's route. Epic Genius (talk) 21:35, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

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Please stop making edits like this one where you increase the width of route diagram templates. RDTs should go in infoboxes whenever possible for a more consistent visual look and various other nitpicky reasons, and that means that unless there is a truly compelling reason otherwise they should be no more than 300 pixels wide. Additionally, those viewing on small screens (netbooks, smartphones, etc) will have trouble with wide templates. Thank you, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:20, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

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Use of colour
The section of Manual of Style/Accessibility that you changed applies to blind visitors. It is aimed at editors who use coloured text or coloured backgrounds to indicate, e.g. the winner in a table. A blind visitor can use a screen reader to hear the article, but if information on who won is only available to those can see a gold background colour, then the blind visitor is denied the information. Hope that clarifies the guidance for you. --RexxS (talk) 00:32, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
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 * : the hex-value of the color shouldn't be hard-coded, as the template MBTA color already supplies it
 * : the word Template: is redundant because BS-map automatically adds it
 * and : also not necessary, since they are the defaults
 * has very little contrast compared to
 * North Station is not a good link for Lovejoy Wharf because the article doesn't say anything about the Wharf
 * aren't really relevant here (but would be appropriate on a subway diagram); the link to Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority in  is sufficient
 * Fore River Shipyard and Hewitt's Cove shouldn't be floating out in the middle of the harbor
 * is already supplied by the  parameter (and normally only used for diagrams inside an infobox)

Please stop bloating this template! Useddenim (talk) 16:32, 24 May 2015 (UTC) P.S. I'm aware of the missing icon; I'll take care of it ASAP.)

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Lexington Branch
Greetings, and thanks for your improvements to the Lexington and West Cambridge Railroad article. Can I interest you in adding a third map? From 1870 to 1927 the branch used a route separate from the Fitchburg Line. Details: Outbound, leaves the Lowell Line at Somerville Junction, with a station stop there; station stops at Somerville Highlands, West Somerville (Davis Square), and North Cambridge (BERy connection on Mass. Ave.); crosses Alewife Brook north of Rte. 2 (does not cross Rte. 2); same as main map from Lake Street on out, though the mileages would differ. I am planning to add a table or section summarizing the various name and ownership changes of the line; I can handle that, but I lack your mapmaking skills. The third map should probably be positioned prior to the "final configuration" one. I will watch here for any questions you may have. Thank you. Hertz1888 (talk) 01:29, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd very much like to add a third map showing the 1870-1927 configuration, but I won't have much time available for it before Sunday or Monday. I'll try to get it done and up when I've got time, tho! Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty &#124; Averted crashes 19:40, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking this on. Please don't feel any pressure to get it done quickly – it's been on my wish list for several years! Hertz1888 (talk) 20:59, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Aaand done! Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty &#124; Averted crashes 18:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Nice! And almost perfect. I like the way you have combined the routes in a single map. One or two tweaks would be desirable. 1. In order of the distances from No. Station, which I will be inserting, it would be proper to move the North Cambridge station down two lines (to just above "in Somerville"). 2. Evidence is lacking that there was ever a station built at the Brick Yards, though one author mentions it as a possible stop. The name probably applies best to the turnoff from the Fitchburg main line, so I would suggest moving the label and dot a bit closer to the junction.  Everything else looks great.  This fills a longstanding deficiency in the article. Also, the 1870–1927 route is the one that corresponds most to the Alewife Linear Park–Somerville Community Path rail trail, adding interest. Hertz1888 (talk) 20:26, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry to complain; I found another problem. The route from Somerville Junction west through Somerville and almost to Arligton IS the Fitchburg Cutoff, which only forks off from the Lexington Branch just east of Alewife, as seen here. It could be a good challenge to show that clearly. Thanks again. Hertz1888 (talk) 20:59, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

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Please be more judicious with information
I greatly appreciate the work you are doing with MBTA articles, but as I (and others, including Useddenim) have noted before, you need to be more careful and more judicious with what information you actually put into articles and especially templates. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia - that means it is a tertiary source. That means that reference templates like the MBTA line articles do not need to show every detail of every routing that has ever existed; they need to shown the current service information above all. (They should not show geography except for state lines and extremely important features such as the Merrimack River bridge or Canton Viaduct.) Additionally, you need to stop making templates so wide - if they cannot fit in the infobox, the template needs to be trimmed, not relocated. While the vast majority of your editing is good, you've also been doing some problematic things that take a lot of my time to fix. I'd like you to be aware of some of them, and explain in a less terse manner why I'm changing or reverting them: As an overarching note - readability to the user is more important than tangental details, always. The purpose of RDTs is to provide a simple graphical explanation that can be understood in ten seconds, not to show everything.
 * Template:Providence/Stoughton Line: Penn Central service to New London was not related to MBTA service. You also keep adding SCR, which is not considered part of the Providence/Stoughton Line. All the SCR documentation refers to it as a completely new line, which concurs with the EIS service plans which shows the SC service being totally decoupled from the core Providence service. (For example, Route 128 will become a Providence-only stop.) Also note that the Readville 5-yard loop is long dead (and not worth showing) and also adds an entire column to the table for something tangental to the actual service.
 * Template:Lowell Line: You added the Bedford & Billerica (which closed 33 years before the MBTA existed) and the north half of the Woburn Loop (which closed 5 years before). That information belongs in a separate (and probably larger) template for Boston and Lowell Railroad, not for this template which is for a specific MBTA service. Additionally, the interstate highways are totally irrelevant to the service and do not belong.
 * Everett (MBTA station): You mislabeled the image (be careful with BPL immages - many are mislabeled), and you included a paragraph of Orange Line history that had no relevance to the station whatsoever. Any history that affects the whole line should be in the line article, not station articles. Same with the Dudley article - changes to the north third of the line did not affect Dudley station in the slightest.
 * MBTA Boat: Please stop adding every single former service to the template. It's unreadably messy. Current and definite future routes go in the template, former routes should not. That should allow it to be narrowed for a 300px infobox. I would recommend making a real map to show the former routes instead, since that allows a better combination of horizontal and vertical routes. I would be glad to help you get set up with Sharemap (a free service, which has received WMF help, that allows maps to be exported ready for Commons).

Also, please follow the convention of using edit summaries! When you make formatting-breaking edits with no explanation, it makes it hard to work with you. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:13, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

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A quick suggestion
Would it be possible to start leaving edit summaries for your edits? In this section, it is said that you should always leave an edit summary, so that editors can figure out what exactly you are doing to an article. I noticed that you have yet to ever use one (although I could be wrong), but the use of summaries will be of great help to editors working with you, especially since you have been here long enough to have that happening. It's just a suggestion, but I would strongly advise you to start doing so, so that it would be easier for editors to collaborate with you in the future. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:08, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * Thanks for starting to do that! It would be good if you could be a bit more specific though when you describe what exactly you are doing, and try to use it whenever possible, unless you are using an automated tool or something, just so we can understand what you are adding, even if it is the same thing multiple times (I can also relate to this experience, as I have had it many times before). Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:20, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

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