User talk:Wikarth

November 2008
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Hello Miacek ! I am new to Wikipedia, so that is why I added explicitly "please help me edit the following reference to Wiki-standards"

Now, please, help me edit this into appropriate wiki-material:

Priest Sidor is identical with Father Dymytrij Sydor which a few years ago raised the funds to build a massive new cathedral at Uzhgorod, one of the largest in eastern Europe. The Magazine Hidden Europe (www.hiddeneurope.co.uk) reports: - - (please help me edit the following reference to Wiki-standards) - - "All eyes are now on the assembly of Ukraine's Zakarpattya Oblast which meets in Uzhgorod on 1 December. The assembly is unlikely to back Father Sydor separatist aspirations. For not only does the region have a large number of Ukrainians, but it is also home to other minorities beyond the Rusyns, notably the Hutsuls. But Dymytrij Sydor is not a man to back down easily. If the oblast assembly does not support the Rusyns claim for independence, then Father Sodor says that the Rusyn minority will consider more forceful ways of securing their goals."

L'Anse aux Meadows and Vinland as a country
Hello. I have again removed your wording of the "region wherein the 'country Vinland' was described". The sources the article refers to do explicitely state that "Vinland was a country", they do not mention the word region in this context. Therefore the article should reflect what has been suggested in the study and the on Parks Canada site, not what we think they were trying to say. De728631 (talk) 16:46, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Norwegian as two languages
I have no problem with listing Bokmal as a variety of Danish, or East Scandinavian, but common Norwegian is not two languages. Or if you can demonstrate it is, you really should provide a ref, and we can divide the Norwegian language article into two. Meanwhile, please don't modify the tags to say the opposite of what the problem is. — kwami (talk) 20:38, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

The link to the pdf from the Norwegian Government was to give you an example of a such reference. There is no problem, that is why I modified the tags. Wikarth (talk) 20:45, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

I would also like a reference to the statements about "Norwegian prestige language shifting geographically"... This is just BS, and cant imagine where it comes from... at least not a reliable source. Please revert to my version: "Even if the language policy of Norway has been more tolerant of rural dialectal variation in formal language, the prestige dialect often referred to as "Eastern Urban Norwegian", spoken mainly in and around the Oslo region, is sometimes considered normative. This matches the Bokmål written variety, which is based on Danish and the most prestigious sociolects in the country, the ones from the upper classes in Oslo. The formation of Nynorsk out of Norwegian dialects after Norway became independent of Denmark in 1814 added to making linguistic divisions match the political ones." Wikarth (talk) 22:32, 29 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I have no problem with those edits of yours, but I didn't remove them, and your additions to the article didn't mention them. I see no reason you couldn't add them to the article, in the appropriate section.  Yes, Bokmal is largely Danish in its derivation, but it's a literary standard, not a spoken language.  Your gov document is about the election act, not a linguistic reference, and so is not a source for classification.
 * BTW, of course Serbian and Croatian are the same language. Speakers can't even tell them apart half the time.  They're different literary standards of the same language, which have gotten caught up in the ethnic disputes of the region.  — kwami (talk) 22:44, 29 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Please don't repeat my words in the middle of an unrelated discussion. It's disruptive.
 * "Yes, you removed them. Please revert. Dont be a troll." I don't know where I did that.  A link would be helpful.
 * A non-linguistic ref is not a linguistic ref. More non-linguistic refs would still not be a linguistic ref.
 * Yes, the word "language" can be rather broad. There's "the language of love".  But a list of dialects is a list of dialects.  As I said above, I'd have no trouble noting where the literary standards derive from in that list of dialects, but not adding imaginary languages, let's call them Norwegian A and Norwegian B.  Since all the dialects are under Norwegian A, what do speakers of Norwegian B speak?  Where do they live?  Can you show me a map of Scandinavian isoglosses, with the boundary between East and West Scandinavian cutting across Norway, with Nynorsk existing on one side of the border, and Bokmal on the other?  That is, after all, what you're claiming with that edit.  — kwami (talk) 23:41, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Since you dont want me to repeat your words, just as you did above... *sigh* here are my replies... - Just look in the history of the article, then youll find your wrongful edits. - There is nothing which states that this is a list of dialects ! - I dont follow you on the "imaginary languages"... But if you want references, Ethnologue is definitely the most reliable source. The maps are also out there. You want them ? Then please stop messing about in an article you dont understand. And I'm just laughing even more : "This section does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this section by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (May 2014)" Wikarth (talk) 23:49, 29 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I did not ask you not to quote me. I asked you not to copy my comments into the middle of an unrelated thread.  That's disruptive.
 * "Just look" is not helpful. I did look, and didn't see what you're objecting to.  Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place; if so, "just looking" there again is unlikely to be productive.
 * It *is* a list of dialects! You should be able to see that without it being spelled out, and certainly after it's spelled out.
 * Ethnologue: No, it's not a reliable source, but yes, it does have maps, and there's only one Norwegian language. There is also only one Norwegian language in its classification.  There are ISO codes for Nynorsk and Bokmal, since ISO is intended for computer localization etc., but Ethnologue only has a language article for Norwegian.  Glottolog, from the Max Planck Institute, does not list Nynorsk at all, and characterizes the coding of Bokmal as a distinct language "spurious".  Just because you disagree with someone, it doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about.  — kwami (talk) 00:51, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

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Yes, thank you ! I just forgot to take the sources from the Croatian page. I will fix it. Wikarth (talk) 10:47, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

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Hello, these are the sources from the Croatian page. Unfortunately I wasnt able to compile them into a list. Could you do that ? Wikarth (talk) 20:59, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

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Ant a nO 05:20, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

I will review and rephrase. Thanks for your useful comment. Wikarth (talk) 20:39, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Torpedo draft
Comment: Rewrite by avoiding WP:COPYVIO AntanO 05:20, 11 July 2021 (UTC) This article does not cite any sources. (June 2021) Torpedo was the name of a Croatian factory of weapons, trucks and engines. The headquarters of the company were in Rijeka as well as the main factory, and other factories and production halls were in Đakovo and Jastrebarsko.

History	Edit From 1853 until 1914	Edit Due to its ideal geographical position and the sea depth level, Rijeka became a powerful industrial centre as early as the 19th century. The Torpedo factory was established in 1853 as a result of an investment by an entrepreneur from Rijeka as a joint stock company called Fonderia Metalli, as a metal casting factory and the first product was anchors, while the secondary activity was the repair of steamboats. The factory did not progress so well until management was taken over by English engineer Robert Whitehead.[1] who began producing engines for the Austro-Hungarian Navy, and the factory was renamed Stabilimento tecnico fiumano. In the 1860s, retired naval officer Ivan Vukic (Giovanni Luppis), also known as Salvacoste – ‘the coastsaver’, approached the factory with his new invention - the anti-ship weapon "lifeguard" which was a boat loaded with explosives. Together with Robert Whitehead he tried to commercialize this idea. Robert Whitehead begins later with a new idea by rejecting the idea of ​​an explosive boat, and gathering his strength to develop an explosive fish that resembled a tuna when moving underwater. Initially, the torpedo was intially called a ship-mine (German Minenschiff '), later the Whitehead torpedo, and this new self-propelled locomotive torpedo prototype was successfully demonstrated to the Austro-Hungarian Navy Committee on December 20, 1866. By the time of the test launching in 1868, Whitehead invented a launch barrel which was built in the Austrian gunship ‘Gemse’, which made it the first ship with torpedoes in the world. Robert Whitehead successfully built marine engines, so for the engine that was installed in the Erzherzog Ferdinand Max exhibited at the World Technology Fair in Paris, he took home the first prize.[2] From 1870, mass production of torpedoes began, and in 1875 Robert Whitehead together with his son-in-law bought Stabilimento tecnico fiumano and renamed it Torpedofabrik Whitehead & Comp. As early as 1878, representatives of 18 countries came to Rijeka in order to concluded a contract with the Torpedofabrik Whitehead & Comp. factory, and in 1881 the factory exported finished torpedoes all over the world. In 1889, Torpedofabrik Whitehead & Comp. developed torpedoes with larger calibers (381 mm, 450 mm and 533 mm), the original caliber was 356 mm. The United States purchased a license to manufacture torpedoes in 1892, and Torpedofabrik Whitehead & Comp. established a branch in the American city of Weymouth. Before his death in 1905, R. Whitehead turned the company into a joint-stock company Whitehead & Co., Societa in Azioni, headed by Count Edgar Hoyos, son of George Hovos. The English family business Vickers Ltd. and Armstrong-Whitworth & Co. buy from the heirs of the Whitehead family a majority stake. By purchasing the factory it was renamed the Torpedo Fabrik Whitehead und Co Aktiengesellschaft and remained in English hands until the beginning of the First World War[3].

The launch station	Edit Just outside the Torpedo factory are the remains of the first Torpedo Launching Station (TLS). Today, it stands as a protected monument to the industrial heritage, displaying immense technological and innovative value. Rijeka’s TLS was soon followed by many others around the world, built on lake shores and sea shores alike. The TLS was continuously tested in the period between the years 1875 and 1877. Later, at the same location, more modern launch stations were built and so in 1935 the last TLS construction took place giving birth to the launch station we can see today. The TLS now has the shape of the last reconstruction that took place after WW2. After the initial torpedo production it was necessary to hold numerous launching tests in order to reach the maximum technical accuracy and efficiency. The most important devices on the launch station were the launching tubes, engines used for firing the torpedo, the gyroscope and the depth regulator for controlling the torpedo launching route. All the torpedoes produced in Rijeka had to go through a test launch, after which they would be returned to the factory for additional processing and re-launching as many times as it was necessary to fulfill all the required specifications of the customer[4]

World War I	Edit During World War I, the Torpedo Fabrik Whitehead und Co Aktiengeselschaf factory was taken over by the Austro-Hungarian Navy, and all production was turned to the production of working materials.

From 1918 to 1945	Edit After World War I and the Treaty of Versailles, the western part of Rijeka, where the Torpedo factory was located, belonged to Italy under contract, and in 1924 the factory became part of the Italian military industry. The general manager was Giuseppe Orlando, the factory was first renamed the “Societa di Esercizio Stabilimenti Whitehead” and in 1930 the “Silurificio Whitehead di Fiume” by S.A. With the revival of production, the company began to produce torpedoes for the markets: Italy, the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, Spain, the Netherlands, Argentina, Finland, the USSR. Technically, the torpedoes are being improved so that the 533 x 7.20 torpedo model has a range of 4000 meters with a speed of 50 knots, while with a speed of 39 knots, a range of 8000m. With further development and investment, an aircraft torpedo 450mm x 5.18m was developed, which could be fired at a speed of 300km-h. To secure itself with a second production hall, on March 7, 1934, at a board meeting, a decision was made to establish a new company, Motofides, in Livorno (Italy) where motorcycles would be produced. In 1935, the Italian company FIAT became a shareholder in the “Silurificio Whitehead di Fiume” S.A., and two years later, in 1937, production of torpedoes began at the factory in Livorno. This factory still exists today under the name WAAS, which still produces electric torpedoes [5]. During the war in 1942 alone, 1170 torpedoes were produced, and in 1943 the factory produced about 160 torpedoes per month.

Period from 1945 to 1991	Edit Allied bombing near the end of World War II destroyed most of the factory, so that after the war began its restoration began and with it it received the new name Jadran. In a partially trained factory, consumer goods such as padlocks, lighters, and burners are produced. A military production line was also set up. Shortly after 1947, the factory was renamed the Aleksandar Ranković Company, after a Serbian politician who was the right hand of Josip Broz Tito at the time. Then the factory was renamed the Torpedo Engine Factory in 1953, and the production program was marine diesel engines from small to large, as well as torpedoes.[6] The production of torpedoes was a secret, and by 1966, when the production of torpedoes ceased, 350 pieces of the Torpedo TZR type with a caliber of 533 mm, a range of 12 km and a speed of 40 knots were produced. In 1975, together with the German company Deutz, the production of water-cooled diesel engines was adopted, through which the products are exported to many countries around the world. Since 1985, Torpedo has been investing in the development of its tractors. Since 1990, Torpedo has been experiencing financial problems. The first bankruptcy proceedings were initiated on 23 March 1990 in the Commercial Court in Rijeka, due to the inability to pay obligations to creditors.

Period from 1991 until the cessation of work	Edit During the Homeland War, under the embargo on the import of weapons and other equipment, Croatian ingenuity in overcoming obstacles was shown, so that in record time engineers and workers of Torpedo developed the Light Armored Vehicle, which entered production and use in 1993, and development began in 1992. years. This armored vehicle was based on the Torpedo HV 4x4 TK-130 T-7 truck, which was previously developed in record time for the needs of the newly formed Croatian Army. Although the Torpedo factory was converted to war equipment production in 1993, financial problems preoccupied the company's operations, so the Rijeka District Court issued a compulsory settlement in which the company undertook to pay 22 million German marks to creditors within three years. . Although this procedure gave the company a break, a way out of the bankruptcy proceedings was obtained. Due to poor management, technological backwardness, a large number of employees, poor vision and financial problems, and increasing pressure from imported products, the company is increasingly sinking into problems. The state wanted to help with subsidies by offering a loan in 1997 for the purchase of agricultural machinery and attachments from Torpedo[7], although the company's account had been blocked since 1998. Bankruptcy proceedings were only initiated on 29 June 2000,[8] and have not yet been fully completed. The original factory building in which the Torpedo company operated, due to its favorable location in the city, has been overcrowded with a multi-purpose exhibition / concert space owned by the City of Rijeka.

Products	Edit Torpedo	Edit Caliber 533mm

Engines	Edit Aran, diesel engine Torpedo 18/24, Torpedo BT6L912 (with turbocharger)

Construction vehicles	Edit Backhoe loaders	Edit Loaders	Edit Tractors	Edit Torpedo TD 9006 A, Torpedo 9100, Torpedo 6006, Torpedo Deutz, Torpedo TX 80, Torpedo 4506, Torpedo RX 120, Torpedo RX 170, Torpedo 79, Torpedo Kvarner 75A, Adriatic torpedo, Torpedo TD 40/48, Torpedo TD 50/55, Torpedo TD 75, Torpedo TD 90 A, Torpedo TD 04-60 C, Torpedo TD 7011 F, Torpedo D 55

Trucks	Edit Torpedo SRT, Torpedo TK 130 T7 4x4

Armored vehicles	Edit Light armored vehicle HUNTING T2

Factories	Edit Rijeka, Đakovo, Jastrebarsko

References	Edit http://protorpedo-rijeka.hr/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/15.pdf Gray, Edwyn. "ROBERT WHITEHEAD – THE ENGLISH ENGINEER" (PDF). Retrieved 16 June 2021. http://www.gradri.hr/bastina/torpedo.html https://www.yacht-rent.com/rijeka-s-torpedo-launch-station-first-in-the-world http://www.wass.it/WASSWEB/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=342 Povijest tvtke WAAS "Lokalpatrioti Rijeka • Pogledaj temu - Industrijska baština u kratkim crticama". www.lokalpatrioti-rijeka.com. "Virovitica.net - Šuker će zbog traktora blokirati račun Županije". Virovitica.net. http://www.poslovni-savjetnik.com/propisi/ustav-politicki-sustav-vlada-republike-hrvatske/odluka-o-izmjenama-uvjeta-kredita-odobrenih- External links	Edit Rijeka Heritage Site: Tvornica Torpedo European Route of Industrial Heritage Site: Rijeka’s torpedo launching and testing station This page was started 10 June 2021 as a translate of the Croatian page for Torpedo (factory). Wikarth (talk) 20:44, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

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I have made a copy of the page, it might be on "my userspace". I need help to make the improvements required to publish. Wikarth (talk) 21:00, 13 December 2021 (UTC)