User talk:WikiDan61/Archive20091226

Archive created 2009.12.26 WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:37, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Lockable gas spring
have re-edited the page and made it very generic and general. This is simply an informational page to inform the public about the many different types of lockable gas springs.Northamrtr (talk) 20:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Goldsea
I'm at a loss as to why you marked my page for quick deletion. Please explain, but only after you check out Goldsea.com.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AA Patrol (talk • contribs) 18:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I marked it for deletion because there has already been a discussion about the notability of the Goldsea.com page at Articles for deletion/Goldsea Asian American Daily. The new article does not provide any information to indicate the site has gained any more notability in the 5 months since its prior deletion.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:17, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Kelly Stafford
Bullshit they are my eyes I know what colour they are and it's my name so I also know what is says on my passport. Also i know more than any one my own bio Kellystafford1 talkKelly Stafford1 (talk) 22:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned on your talk page, gross factual errors such as those are fine to correct. But the rest of the information, which cannot be independently verified, should be left out.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:37, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Kshatriya Komarpant
I have now replaced the 'speedy deletion' template with a 'possible copyright violation' template. This removes the content from view, but the article content actually is still there (if you edit the page). Once the OTRS permission has been processed, then - if it is OK - the OTRS ticket number will be added to this talk page, and the notice on the article will be removed. This may take several days, so please be patient.

Once the copyright status is sorted out, then we will see what happens; the article might still be deleted for other reasons, but we need to resolve this matter first.

 Chzz  ►  09:29, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Article changed
Hello, again: I haven't been on awhile (I've been on the hunt for copyrights!), and when I went on to continue my editing, I saw that the article had changed back to its original text. Is there a way to get it back? Also, I am in Greece right now where the copyright office is, and they said that thet need to know EXACTLY what Wikipedia needs because back in WWII in Greece, copyrights weren't really around. So I have contacted the Wikipedia media copyright people, awaiting a response. Thank you, -- Iliada 05:38, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure which article you are referring to, but if the article still exists, than any previous versions still exist in the article's history. Previous version can be restored if you feel that changes that have been made are not valid.  Let me know which article you had in mind, and I can take a look for you.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Horiata
Thanks, I got it back. -- Iliada 07:01, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Francis Crowder
I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY HELP YOU CAN PROVIDE SO THAT I CAN PROVIDE RELIABLE SOURCES FOR VERIFICATION. I HAVE JUST CREATED A TALK PAGE THAT REFERENCES TWO PUBLICATIONS. I AM LOOKING UP OTHERS FOR INCLUSION. I AM NOT CERTAIN WHERE THESE SOURCES SHOULD BE INSERTED AND WHAT KIND OF BRACKETS NEED TO BE INCLUDED TO CLASSIFIY THE MATERIAL AS A SOURCE. i HAVE PLACE  AROUND THE CITATION SOURCES AND THE CATEGORY. IS THIS CORRECT.

I DO APPRECIATE YOUR ASSISTANCE.

Thanks SWampfoxcs (talk) 20:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Swampfoxsc77 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swampfoxsc77 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I could assist you in adding the references to the article, but they won't help the problem. While Crowder's company (Q.S. Inc.) has a possible claim to notability ("Q.S. Inc. is possibly the first company to design and fully install a statewide Public Health Information system"), this only makes the company notable (and only if the "possibly" can be removed by a citation to a verifiable source), it does not make Crowder notable.  Clearly, Crowder has some expertise in the field of public health information systems, but this does not make him generally notable in the Wikipedia sense.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * PS -- please don't shout. Used mixed case typing.  Thanks!  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Rick Cuban
While I agree that this article really doesn't belong on this encyclopedia, it isn't exactly "unambiguous advertising" either. I've WP:PRODed it, and am declining the speedy. For more about advertising, see Why_I_hate_Speedy_Deleters Cheers,  I 'mperator 18:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You have a point. I was thrown by the phrase "You can currently find Rick Cuban and his knack for porn on the newly formed, soon-to-be Mega Porn site UrgeAlliance.com. The Micro Fetish leader in porn." indicative of "unambiguous advertising"?  That, surely, is unambiguous advertising.  But the article won't need a fundamental rewrite to fix that, so I take your point.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it :P I just don't like to see small mishaps like this bomb RfA's like it did mine Cheers,  I 'mperator 18:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Not a worry. I have no interest in adminship.  "If nominated I shall not run; if elected I shall not serve."  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Company Info Update
I do appreciate the insight into how Wikipedia works. As you an tell I had a different interpretation on how accurate information got posted. I do work for American Signature and see that it's not my place to update information related to the company. In saying that, I had originally based the information I was trying to post on how the Limited Brands wiki organized. In looking at their page I don't see any sources verifying the first paragraph under "History". I assume it made it up because user "Stuph" is a credible source and has a history of valid information? I'll continue searching and expanding my knowledge of how this all works. Was just hoping for some quick insight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandonmcinnis (talk • contribs) 16:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't look to Limited Brands as the model, as that appears to be a very poor page indeed (as I will be noting shortly). It also does not provide any references to verify the information that is provided.  Basically, any fact added to Wikipedia should be independently verifiable by reference to reliable sources.  In general, those sources should be independent of the subject (so, the company's own website would not be a good choice), and should be published in a medium that is subject to some form of fact checking (a local, regional or national newspaper or magazine, a book, etc).  Facts that are neutral, such as a company's history, are less likely to be scrutinized, but those that are non-neutral (such as claims that the company is one of the biggest something or other) really will be scrutinized and require real verification.  Without that, they are likely to be deleted.  Finally, if the information you have added has been published elsewhere first, it is likely to be covered by a copyright.  If that is the case, it may not be posted to Wikipedia until proper clearances have been obtained (see WP:Donating copyrighted material).  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Play of the Weather
Hello - just responding to your message regarding 'The Play of the Weather' article - thanks very much for cleaning up the referencing, and I'll certainly find a wikilink to help explain Cycle drama. Minirenaissance (talk) 13:37, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Horiata
Hello, I put a picture called George Fteris Bust.jpg near the bottom of my article, but for some reason, it doesn't show up. Why is this? Thanks, -- Iliada 19:12, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You had a line break in the middle of the image link, which the Wikimedia software apparently didn't like. I fixed it for you.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 10:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Horiata
Thank you for fixing the picture. Also, my page is done and on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tsimbidaros-Fteris Thanks for all your help along the way! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iliada (talk • contribs) 00:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Borri page
Hello WikiDan61, Been trying to produce an informative piece an a company named Borri, which has been proposed for deletion. I've read the guidelines and understand them, but would you be able to set me some targets of why you feel this should be deleted? I've tried to make this as informative as possible, the only thing I can think is the number of references or external links? If this is the problem then i don't mind drafting another copy over the next couple of days and reposting with more links.

Regards BobHope6 (talk) 14:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The company does not appear to be notable under the guidelines of WP:CORP. To be included in Wikipedia, a company should have received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources.  Significant coverage is understood to mean something more than mere press releases or product announcements.  Product reviews in major consumer or industry magazines, company profiles in industry or business magazines, etc, confer notability.  If you can find and cite such sources, the article will stand a better chance.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:25, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks WikiDan, unfortuantely this isn't something I will have time to do. The company is credible under the guidelines, its just finding the articles in order to prove this. Once I have drafted another copy in around a months time I will contact you to see whether it is more appropriate.

Regards BobHope6 (talk) 14:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Randolph E. Paul
The horrible slab of text that was Randolph E. Paul is what you get when you copy&paste a PDF. Google does not seem to have seen it but I get a strong whiff of copyvio. &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That may be, but the subject is certainly notable enough. If the source can be found, the article can be changed enough to avoid the copyvio.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:28, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Communovella
Hello Dan, I'm new to Wikipedia submissions, so I'm not exactly sure why communovella was rejected as an entry.

Communovella is simply another type of interactive social media. It would fall under the same category as a chain novel or mosaic novel, both of which are included in Wikipedia.

Perhaps I included something I shouldn't have. I corrected the entry that had my website (included because it also references the communovella), so I don't know if there was something else I needed to do to be compliant.

It is a legitimate creation; I hope you reconsider adding it as an entry to Wikipedia. Thanks!

H Scott Hunt (talk) 14:45, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The article you had written appeared to be an advertisement for your particular website (since that was the only link provided). What you have created with your "communovella" does not appear significantly different than the existing "chain novel" or "mosaic novel" model, and therefore does not seem to require its own article on Wikipedia.  Correct me if I am incorrect in my assessment of the similarity of these genres.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Communovella
Thanks for the quick response.

The reason communovella refers back to my blog is because the blog is its only source. I was not intending to advertise.

A communovella's variance from chain novels and mosaic novels is large. First, a communovella is written by a single author, where chain novels and mosaic novels are written by multiple authors. Secondly, readers decide a communovella's content by making suggestions using the comment section, then voting via a poll. In chain novels and mosaic novels, readers have no say in the content of the story.

Again, I hope you reconsider. The communovella is simply another vehicle for social interaction. Thank you for your time!

H Scott Hunt (talk) 15:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If your blog is the only source for this concept, than the concept has not yet reached the level of notability required by Wikipedia. Wait until the concept takes off and has received independent coverage in reliable sources.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Victory Forge page
Hello I wanted to contact you because my page is up for deletion. You say I am attacking the company but all I did was copy pretty much word for word another already established wiki page Victory Forge Military Academy.. Please explain —Preceding unsigned comment added by Telltruthtoday (talk • contribs) 15:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The page is up for deletion for the reasons specified; namely, that it concentrates too much on the negative aspects of the academy rather than presenting a neutral, balanced view. If you disagree with this assessment, you are free to remove the proposed deletion template, but know that I will then nominate the article through an AFD nomination, which will allow for multiple users to reach consensus on the issue.  However, if you have copied the article verbatim from another source, as you claim, know that this constitutes a copyright infringement and will not be allowed to remain anyway.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination off Museum of Vojvodina
My English is very bad, so i try to explain. I work in Museum of Vojvodina as webmaster, so all text from website muzejvojvodine.org.rs can be publish here. In any case, i deleted this text on this website (you can check).

Best regards,

Museum of Vojvodina —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muzej Vojvodine (talk • contribs) 14:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to express my deep concern at the manner in which you have chosen to respond to this issue. First, as the webmaster of the museum, you have a conflict of interest, and you should not be involved with the museum's Wikipedia page at all.  Second, since the material was originally posted on your museum's website, they own the copyright, so the copyright infringement still exists, whether you have changed the museum's page or not.  Third, since the material was copied from the museum's website, it is very likely promotional, and therefore still now allowed.  Finally, even though you may be the webmaster of the museum, I can't imagine the museum's management will look happily on you blanking their content, but I leave that for you to work out with your employers.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:06, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Page move
Ordinarily I would have done just that. But somebody input the town into the Monterey County template as "San Benancio, Monterey County, California", leading me to believe that there is another one. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's unlikely there is another town by that name in California. (I don't know if your from the US, but in the US, there is generally only one town of a given name in any given state.  The post office tends to frown on exceptions to this rule as it would have made life very difficult in the era before zip codes!)  There is certainly no other entry under that name anywhere in Wikipedia.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, on further research it would appear that there should be no article of that name on Wikipedia for the simple fact that there is no town of that name. GNIS has no record of it.  I've tagged the article accordingly. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:15, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Project Ethos
Raladort (talk) 22:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Ortles Alps
This is the english for the italian Ortles, there are many mistakes regarding the english names of many italians mountains, most of them are in german, i will fix them as soon as i can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellyempire09 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Says who? You cannot just change such things wholesale without references or discussions.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

It's just been wrong for years, this is the right word, that's all —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellyempire09 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, you can't just say "it's wrong because I say it's wrong." That's not how Wikipedia works. Please see WP:RS and WP:CONSENSUS.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

please let the right term of Ortles, it refers to main article province of Bolzano —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellyempire09 (talk • contribs) 18:11, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If you haven't already been blocked, I suggest you stop editing for a while, and take a look at the relevant Wikipedia guidelines. Then, make your way to an appropriate Wikipedia project (WP:WikiProject Europe, WP:WikiProject Italy, WP:WikiProject Germany, etc) and get some input from more experienced editors.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:14, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

i repeat: there are many mistakes about the names of the valleys, the mountain, the province. Ötztal is the german name which indicate an austrian range in the alps, it isn't english, it is not italian but german and it must be correct with the term Venoste Alps in the page of Province of Bolzano .i hope all of the names will be quickly correct. i will report all of such mistakes to the italian authorities of the region Trentino Alto Adige and Lombardia, and the authorities of my commune, i think this inconvenience can be easly fixed evoiding legal repercussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellyempire09 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ortles? See this for example. I have to admit Kelly has a point but he is going about it in a way really calculated to antagonise other editors. Let me know if you want any admin action taken. &mdash; RHaworth 10:56, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Liping Liu
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there is NO allegations of fraud against the UNITED CANCER foundation. So this should not be deleted. This foundation is listed on President Obamas "health care stories for america" website, and that article is copied with His staff's permission over on the UCF website at http://www.unitedcancerfoundation.org/health-care-for-america.html This foundation is VERY reputable, it is being written about in the Sun-Sentinel newspaper, and they work in partnership with STAN BROCK and the Remote Area Medical Group. Which can also be seen on the RAM USA website about the joint event they are putting on this november. This article should not be deleted. there has NEVER been any allegations of fraud against this organization. this user that marked it for deletion just made that up with NO sources at all. since there are none. Please do a google search and see that the UNITED CANCER FOUNDATION works with OVER 25 REPUTABLE organizations including Susan G Komen, United WAY, and Remote Area Medical (ramusa.org). You must have made a mistake and confused it with some other organization. all of this can be verified by contacting these agencies as well. Remote area medical, which is a fixture on wikipedia, and its president Stan Brock, is working with United cancer foundation to put on the LARGEST free health care event in Florida. As seen on 60 minutes, Bill Maher show, etc etc. It is November 20th-22nd. Verify your info please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottdkaplan (talk • contribs) 17:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

re: Mistake : speedy deletion of United Cancer Foundation
there is NO allegations of fraud against the UNITED CANCER foundation. So this should not be deleted. This foundation is listed on President Obamas "health care stories for america" website, and that article is copied with His staff's permission over on the UCF website at http://www.unitedcancerfoundation.org/health-care-for-america.html This foundation is VERY reputable, it is being written about in the Sun-Sentinel newspaper, and they work in partnership with STAN BROCK and the Remote Area Medical Group. Which can also be seen on the RAM USA website about the joint event they are putting on this november. This article should not be deleted. there has NEVER been any allegations of fraud against this organization. this user that marked it for deletion just made that up with NO sources at all. since there are none. Please do a google search and see that the UNITED CANCER FOUNDATION works with OVER 25 REPUTABLE organizations including Susan G Komen, United WAY, and Remote Area Medical (ramusa.org). You must have made a mistake and confused it with some other organization. all of this can be verified by contacting these agencies as well. Remote area medical, which is a fixture on wikipedia, and its president Stan Brock, is working with United cancer foundation to put on the LARGEST free health care event in Florida. As seen on 60 minutes, Bill Maher show, etc etc. It is November 20th-22nd. Verify your info please.
 * This Google news search disagrees with your assertion of no allegations of fraud. The ONLY news hits for "United Cancer Foundation" refer to its involvement in questionable fundraising practices.  Claims of coverage in the Sun Sentinel are proven false by this search. Inclusion in Obama's "Health Care Stories for America" is irrelevant as any user can post any story there.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:33, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

There is your mistake. You need to click on the links and actually do your due dilligence. That is NOT the same foundation. NOT EVEN CLOSE. this organization was founded in 2007 in Boca raton florida. That foundation is some defunct organization from the 90's, with NO relation whatsoever to the United Cancer Foundation from Florida. The coverage in sun sentinel is upcoming, they are writing it as we speak.Scottdkaplan (talk) 17:50, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sadly, that is the ONLY "United Cancer Foundation" that can be found. There is no indication that your foundation is either distinct from that group, nor notable in its own right.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

interesting, so you think on organization that was founded in 2007, and has 501 C 3 status with the IRS, can POSSIBLY have allegations against it in 1995? You sir are very confused if you think that can be the same organization. That is like me saying that you got a speeding ticket in 1935, and you cry "but judge, i wasnt even born until 1961" and he says too bad. It is obviously notable, and distinct. all one has to do, if YOU ARE NOT LAZY, is look up the founders and founding date of each organization. Which you have FAILED to do. And once you do, you will see that THERE ISNT ONE COMMON ITEM BETWEEN the two. Do your homework please. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottdkaplan (talk • contribs) 18:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Admittedly, there may have been a mistake in associating the two groups. That does not resolve the problem that the current United Cancer Foundation has no verifiable notability.  No Google web or Google news searches return any significant coverage of the group.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I have done several searches on google that results in many results. using the terms "united cancer foundation" "united cancer foundation steve kaplan". as well as the information and press releases that are out there about this event on many industry leading organizations, that are touting our major event in florida at the Americraft Expo Center. Scottdkaplan (talk) 18:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The matter has been brought to Articles for deletion/Scott David Kaplan. Please add your thoughts there.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:23, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
With the greatest of respect, because I like what you do here at Wikipedia, it might help to learn a bit more about just how important a silver star is. Note especially that its frequent posthumous awarding speaks to the rare actions for which it is awarded. Look, I’m not a military buff, but there are three orders of these U.S. awards that are virtually sacrosanct: Congressional Medal of Honor, Distinguished Service Cross, and the Silver Star. Won’t you please consider changing your position on this one? Thanks! — SpikeToronto (talk) 06:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Per the discussion at Talk:Silver Star, the awarding of a Silver Star is not seen by the community as notable per se. That is, a biographee needs more than just a Silver Star to be considered notable enough for a Wikipedia article.  Certainly, if a notable person has won the medal, it is worth mention in the article, but the person needs to be notable for more than just that one fact.  WP:WikiProject Military (specifically WP:MILMOS) seems to concur: assigning notability only to winners of the nation's highest honor.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Remember what Jimbo Wales himself says: Do not place so much emphasis on notability. Verifiability and neutral point of view are more important, so long as there are no self-promotion issues involved. An exclusionary approach to compiling Wikipedia forgets that there is unlimited space vis-à-vis an online encyclopedia. When there is unlimited space, the attitude of the compilers should be one of inclusion so long as the article is verifiable, neutral, and there are no conflict of interest issues. Let’s be expansive! It’s a big world out there! — SpikeToronto (talk) 18:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, the community has expressed its consensus at Articles for deletion/Thomas A. Edson. Why not let that community consensus prevail?  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Mea Culpa. You're right: my addition (my first) to the entry "I Didn't Know About You" was indeed based on original research—the evidence of my own ears. I regret that life is too short for me to bother finding another reliable source to back up my assertion, so kindly remove it, and that I think is likely to be the last you'll hear from me. Ls Simon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ls simon (talk • contribs) 16:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Girls Inc. of SWCT
Hello WikiDan61, You redirected my page to the "page of parent organization. The parent is notable, the individual chapters not so much." The Girls, Inc. article on Wikipedia is entirely inaccurate. Girls Inc. of Southwestern Connecticut is the first Girls Inc. established in 1864. I'm unsure why you redirected the article to one with much less information.

-Savanah —Preceding unsigned comment added by SavSim1989 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If the Girls, Inc. page is incorrect, correct it. But creating multiple pages about the same topic makes it impossible to keep the facts straight.  Which article should one edit?  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

The information on the Girls, Inc. is entirely incorrect even the naming convention "Girls, Inc." is wrong. The small amount of information there is wrong.

-S —Preceding unsigned comment added by SavSim1989 (talk • contribs) 18:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, I tell you to correct it. This can include moving the page to a new name, if the naming is not correct.  However, the page you have added is spammy and non-neutral.  By the way, my perusal of the linked websites shows that the national organization operates under the logo of "Girls Inc.", so it appears that the original page has a name closer to the organization's than your new page. (P.S. Please sign your talk page posts by adding ' ~ ' at the end.)  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

OkaySavSim1989 (talk) 18:31, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

new to wikipedia and need help
Hello there, I am the web master of www.gojdgo.biz and I am writing the article of Joel De Carteret yet I am having problems.. what can i do to fix them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joel JD de Carteret (talk • contribs) 13:32, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There are several problems with the article. First, it appears to be a copyright violation.  It is not permitted to copy the content of another website onto Wikipedia if that website is not published under the GFDL.  Exceptions to this rule can be found at WP:Donating copyrighted material.  However, even if you avoid the copyright problem, there is the problem of general notability and self-promotion.  As Mr. Carteret's webmaster, you have an obvious conflict of interest and should not be attempting to create this article at all.  If a disinterested third party finds that Mr. Carteret's achievements have reached sufficient notability, an independent unbiased article can be created.  You may feel free to edit elsewhere on Wikipedia but you should avoid areas of conflict of interest.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Redirecting?
How can I make a page so if someome types in "George Fteris," it will redirect them to the page entitled "George Tsimbidaros-Fteris?" -- Iliada 18:33, 14 September 2009 (UTC) Done! See George Fteris. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Iliada 21:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/United Cancer Foundation
You recently nominated Scott David Kaplan for deletion, I thought you might be interested in the United Cancer Foundation article he recently created concerning his charity.--RadioFan (talk) 12:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

copyright Dirk Vermeersch
Hi WikiDan61,

I am creating this page for the owner of the copyrights and the web page http://www.leplan-vermeersch.com/main.php. So don't worry about the copyright.

Webconstruct (talk) 13:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC) Thanks. Steven
 * First of all, merely saying "I own the copyright, so it's OK" is not sufficient. I could say that about any copyrighted content I choose to copy to Wikipedia (who's to know who I really am to say I don't?).  There are ways to deal with copyright issues: please refer to WP:Donating copyrighted material.  However, since the material was also entirely promotional and not in the tone that Wikiepedia requires for encyclopedia articles, it's not clear that solving the copyright issue will allow the article to remain anyway.  Finally, if you are the webmaster of this site as you claim, this constitutes a conflict of interest.  You should not be creating the article about Mr. Vermeersch in the first place.  Please refer to the relevant Wikipedia guidelines before continuing with this effort.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Webconstruct
Didn't mean to act like a parrot on your shoulder – you just beat me to saying almost exactly the same thing by one minute! :) Jafeluv (talk) 14:55, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Bang up job.
You did a bang up job on making that stent article look like something worthy to be here. Good Job! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you much! WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:33, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you.
Big thanks to you for help with cleaning style and referencing article Bizon Computers!Pc555 (talk) 14:49, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

page deletion
My page C-Tech Innovation has just been deleted. If it is not allowed to place pages of my company on Wikipedia, then why do I see other pages such as Microsoft? Ctechinnovation (talk) 14:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Your page was deleted under the criteria of WP:CSD for being unambiguous advertising or promotion. Wikipedia is not here to advertise your company.  The Microsoft page provides a fair, balanced, and neutral overview of the company that has been created and edited by people who are not affiliated with the company.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

swords
You said, "Specifically, a website intent on selling swords to collectors may not be the most reliable source of information about swords"

Okay, except that you must be blind and the website you referred to that "sells sword to collectors" does not sell swords at all. Nice try though.ChatMe!

First of all, I would like to thank you Dan for you help and advises, im trying to get more significant information in the article or at least get more relevant information, you are completely right about The Media attention to have reliable sources to cite from. it is difficult when you write about something and there's not much information on a digital form (web pages etc.) Im trying to figure it out what happened to the Minerva Zine. it was up and working well but yeah now it is dead. so yeah that does not help much. you are right there's independent bands covered in here even with less "fame" than SPAYED but they have enough digital information about them on the articles, so yeah i understand.

Once again thank you for helping me, otherwise i would get lost.

I like tea too!

Don't bite newcomers
With reference to your post here: User talk:Drsjpdc could you please tone down your language, especially the "have you learnt nothing part"? Additionally, I realize FICS was deleted as not being notable, but if it really is the governing body for sports chiropractors, that alone would make it notable. ƒ(Δ)² 16:41, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks ƒ(Δ)².... it was in fact due to YOUR  suggestion that I took the time to re-create that page, that WikiDan is again attacking...  is it not clear that this unfair?

Dan... why?
Instead of simply attacking me... and deleting everything I do, how about supplying some constructive criticism? When the page was RE-posted, it was NOT by me !!! Just because you deleted a page for a Recognized World Governing Body, does not make it non-notable... It would seem that you are deleting those pages just for the express purpose to see that a DC cannot have notability... what really goes here?

As to the notability of FICS, please see your page on List of international sport federations where it is listed  BY GAISF  as "recognized", between  Special Olympics, and others...  there are dozens of other International Federations, MANY of which  already have pages... are these all  not notable? or are you the sole arbiter of which ones ARE??

Someone please help! However this need to be done right, I am perfectly amenable to doing it that way. All I ask is fairness and guidance, as I am new to this. Drsjpdc (talk) 22:02, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll apologize for being a bit overly bitey, but a user who has already been blocked once and begins the same sort of editing once the block is removed may require a nip. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


 * That was my fault (I told him to do that, as long as he followed policy). You read that message, I think, as you replied to it. ƒ(Δ)² 11:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Stub tags
See the very bottom of the articles. I am use Portugal-geo-stub. What else would you like me to add? I don't understand, I no know english fluent.Starzynka (talk) 15:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry -- they flowed off the end of the page because of the size of the map. Apologies!  Carry on!  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

OK. I can make map small if is probleme. I have map size regulated per norm. it is long nation so apologoes.Starzynka (talk) 15:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Good work on reporting him. Hundreds of new articles. Lots of deletions. I've left him an angry note and an indef block. Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 19:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw your scolding of him. Thanks for addressing the situation.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Hups
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International Federation of Sports Chiropractic
WikiDan61, You recently nominated an article for deletion, which was then deleted without much review. I have re-written the article from scratch, and sandboxed it here as I think this easily meets the criteria for WP:ORG and should not have been deleted in the first place. However, this is the first article that I have ever written, and I could use some eyes on it. If you could give it a look over and give me some feedback at my talk page, I would appreciate it. I don't want to move it over to mainspace if it is just going to be deleted again. DigitalC (talk) 22:03, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Dan Richardson
I have improved the page, and I am not the guides publisher by the way... I am checking now for the realiable source to create a reference too... I need to check the biography of Stella Gibbons for the mention of Dan Richardson, for example... I will do more work on it so it will look reliable... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drgog (talk • contribs) 08:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No you are not the guides' publisher, you are very likely (surmising from your username) the guides' author and the subject of the biography, which violates WP:AUTO in itself. I was referring to the fact that the only reference that appeared on the page at the time was a link to the Rough Guides page listing your travel guides.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:11, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Gourmet
You call it vandalism, I call it a first draft toward a more truthful description of why the magazine was closed. Certainly accepting the claim of Conde Nast as 'truth' is anti-NPOV.

Ignoring what is a vital fact, the details of how the magazine was destroyed by hacks, is far from NPOV. Please do not revert edits with spurious claims of vandalism. RichGibson (talk) 01:47, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Saying that a magazine was "destroyed by hacks" is definitely a skewed point of view. Claiming that the magazine was undone by mismanagement, with citations to that effect in reliable sources, might be allowed.  Unsourced claims to that effect are libel, and will put Wikipedia at risk of litigation.  Libel is to be removed from Wikipedia without question.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: EEmpACT Staffing Software
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Accusation of Self-Aggrandizing
Apologies to all and to DigitalC, whose work was cut by your edit...
 * Comment stricken since mistakenly assumed I had deleted something that I hadn't.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:34, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

hi
Please check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Omlette_Of_Shark_Egg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sohfnsojhfnso (talk • contribs) 19:05, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

FICS page
Oh, Dan, how about losing that Flag on DigitalC's FICS page that say it still could be deleted for notability issues? It survived the AfD process... I don't understand the basis for this ... Drsjpdc (talk) 20:44, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be Bongomatic's issue. Try taking it up with him at his talk page.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:19, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

What is the problem?
Hey Dan

Im wondering what the problem is? I think we got a pretty solid explanation of our REAL company here.

So, why arent we allowed to post information about us here on wiki?

We are confused.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alfenius (talk • contribs) 14:35, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is that, while the company is REAL, it is not notable. There are millions of companies in the world, but not all of them get to have Wikipedia pages.  Provide some independent sources that verify your company's existence and its impact in the fashion world, and you might have a shot.  Also, Wikipedia is not to be used to promote your company.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

--KStrawn (talk) 18:04, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Legend of Pancho Barnes
Hi Dan, I saw you deleted the official synopsis of the film The Legend of Pancho Barnes and the Happy Bottom Riding Club. I don't exactly know why, but I would hope that it would be restored. I'd be happy to rewrite it to address your concerns. Regards, ModelR

P.S.: I saw your comment that you believed that the synopsis is a copyright violation. This is simply not the case. Synopsis are written as promotional material. Promotional material is intended to be duplicated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Modelr (talk • contribs) 03:57, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no exemption at WP:COPYRIGHT regarding plot synopses. If a publisher intends the material to be freely duplicated, they must explicitly state that in the source document or web page.  Failing such explicit release, all creative material (including plot synopses) are implicitly copyrighted under US law (which is the law that governs the English Wikipedia).  Also, a movie studio's synopsis is intentionally promotional, and introduction of such material to Wikipedia would violate policies on promotion.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:00, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Bongo  matic  14:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Houseman
1. Im having some problems with a page for Inner Rhythm Artists being deleted firstly. It says non noteable company lack of online refs. The company itself has been closed for several years so online evidence was hard to find. I have contracts and all manor of scanable proof i can provide for eveything listed in the article - how do I go about doing this please?

2 I think I deleted the entry for Lee Harvey (House Music)which had no references attatched, the page is still there though but its blank so im not sure if i deleted it correctly. As above I would like to go back to re-do this entry in the future but i have the same problem that much of the proof is not on the internet but in paper form such as contracts magazines album credits etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by Houseman47 (talk • contribs) 22:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


 * While it is preferable to have references available online, it is not necessary. If you have copies of printed articles relating to these subjects, it is sufficient to provide a reference that would allow others to verify the information, should they care to take the effort to do so.  Generally, it would be good to provide the name and date of the publication, the author's name, and the title of the article.  There are several citation templates (e.g. cite book for information taken from books, cite news for information taken from newspapers, and others) that can help you format the citation to provide the necessary information.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Chip Coffey Bio
I've responded to you on my talk page, if you have a second. This is my first article ever so I appreciate your help very much.Siinda (talk) 13:49, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Ground Coffey ;)
Haha, yes your right I guess I was being to nice. I'm going to double check for refrences to his history and if I can't find any I'll cut the section. No he's not a buddy or anything, just someone i thought should be added to wiki.Siinda (talk) 14:09, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

went ahead and did the edits you noted, shouldn't that big DELETE header be removed now? Siinda (talk) 14:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No. The article has been nominated for deletion by another editor as, in his opinion (with which I agree) the article still sufficiently assert Coffey's notability.  Significant coverage in third party sources is generally required.  Sadly, the only significant coverage in third party sources (i.e. sources not created by Coffey himself or his production companies) I can find for Coffey are all negative.  Apparently he doesn't enjoy a very good reputation among and outside of the psychic community.(, [www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/chip-coffey-c148362.html])  You might be fighting a losing battle with this one.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Breaking
Yes, I've looked at the tutorial. I love that cheatsheet page for all the codes, bookmarked!! I figure I'll eventually stumble upon a subject that some gm doesn't think is boring and be able to keep a article up here. Your right a live-bio was about the worst thing I could pick to begin with. I'm actually surprised there's no parent article for Native American folktales, they have tons of creation stories. Anywho ty for the tips, your being a big help. Siinda (talk) 16:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Try WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America/Working categories. Take your pick of the specific culture you are interested in and edit away.  Or start at WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America and see how you can help out.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Deleted Pepinia bulbosa
I'm trying to create stubs for the species of Bromeliaceae. These pages will have taxonomic data but little else and are similar to the species stubs of other plant families. See Cattleya mossiae. Did my failure to put the "stub" indicator cause the quick deletion or was it something else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bromels (talk • contribs) 17:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * A "stub" that has NO content is not a stub, it is a candidate for speedy deletion under WP:CSD. If you can't add ANY information other than the taxobox, why bother?  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I've restored the stub and added a bit of info. Try not to bite the newcomer. It had sufficient information (a photo, taxonomy, taxobox, and a category!) to qualify for inclusion. It's much better that most of what we get in terms of new plant articles. Bromels is in the process of learning and I'll gladly help until s/he learns the ropes. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 17:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

hint
You were perfectly right to place a csd tag on Pedalite Safety Health and Environment Campaign, & I have deleted the article; the explanation you gave was also correct. But when you respond on the article talk p., please copy it over to the user talk p also, because the article talk p. is usually deleted with the article & might be in only a few minutes, before the user has the chance to read it. . (in this case, I copied it over for you before deleting). If there's substantial comment, we do try to leave the talk page up for an appropriate length of time, but then it has to be separately deleted later, which is a nuisance & likely to be forgotten about.) Keep up the good work-    DGG ( talk ) 19:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Reply from Houseman
Re the scanned things for Inner Rhythm Artists. The Problem I have with this is that personal Artist Management is really a contract between the company and the Artist. Since no website exists listing the artists as represented (becasue the company closed years ago) the only thing that display such a relationship is the flyers I posted with the directors name alongside the Artists or the management contracts and internal company paperwork. I have copies of every contract but im not sure how that can be referenced. Managers are rarely named in the music press (particularly in underground music) so finding these rare refs for a company thats been closed down over five years is almost impossible. Management information on the web is an updated thing, when that company closed im sure any biography or artist roster of the artist naming their managers was changed to the name of their newest rep. I can send hard copies of the Artist contracts to wikipedia or we can contact the artists/companies named themselves to verify that this is all factual but im not quite sure how that would work.

Please advise —Preceding unsigned comment added by Houseman47 (talk • contribs) 13:39, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I wish I had help to offer. The flyers you posted did not list Inner Rhythm or Chamberlain as having any relationship with the named artists other than Chamberlain appearing at the same venues.  The one "PRC" document you posted was too vague to establish any relationship between the two people named on it other than the fact that their names both appeared on the same piece of paper.  I can understand your problem, but I have no suggestions on how to address it.  Inner Rhythm would be considered notable if the press (whatever press exists to cover the genre of House Music) had chosen to cover them (something along the lines of "Inner Rhythm must have something going on to be managing all these artists").  Without such coverage, the notability of the company cannot be established.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:54, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

refs
I need more time to write to people and dig up old records to find some references regarding inner rhythm artists please —Preceding unsigned comment added by Houseman47 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The article has been nominated for deletion at Articles for deletion/Inner Rhythm Artists. Any comments you wish to make concerning the deletion of the article should be made there.  The discussion will be allowed to run for at least seven days.  If you can improve the article by then, great.  If not, you can recreate it at a later date when you have the references to verify it.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:16, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Encouraçado
I expanded article more —Preceding unsigned comment added by Encouraçado (talk • contribs) 17:40, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * See also WP:NEWT. :-) — Ed   (talk  •  contribs)  19:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Scraw
Point taken, I will get a .gov.uk as one form of proof about the Scraw. Can I use photos to demonstrate its fire barrier evidence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shee52 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You can use photos to enhance the article, but if any of the claims of fire barrier effectiveness are your own, and not backed up by reliable sources (i.e. published articles that document the effectiveness of this fire barrier mechanism) then the article does not belong in Wikipedia. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Howard Press article
Dan,

I know there was quite a stir on the AfD for this page. I saw today that as there was no consensus reached, that the page was allowed to remain. However, some editor picked up on the dirt that was hiding in the room, and turned it into a good reason for me to regret having ever written that article. Under Articles for Deletion there  is provision that an article may be removed if it causes great emotional harm. I suggest that this is very much the case, as this seem to have backfired now, and Mr. Press' widow would probably die if this were the end result. I tried to show his contribution to medicine; something of which we have all been very proud, but this was NOT his doing, and he paid dearly.

You were the one who said something when  Bongo started to raise this issue. Please help me see this end here. Better to have no page at all then kill someone innocent. Д-р СДжП,ДС 22:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I can't help in this regard. I understand the distress this may cause you and your family, but I don't know any policy at Wikipedia that would help you remove the material.  I suggest that you ask at the WP:Help desk to see if anyone there has any help to offer.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * PS: I'm recusing myself from the debate on Articles for deletion/Howard Press (3rd nomination). I have established a history with you that inhibits my neutrality in the matter.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:58, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Re:Print design
Thanks, I've been using Twinkle. I had previously seen the article, marked it speedy, and it was deleted as such. When I saw it re-created, I tagged it using Twinkle. The caption for CSD-G4 using Twinkle is "recreation of deleted material," it didn't include any mentions about speedy deletes, and so I chose that.

The article is a weird mix of advertising, beginning by stressing the importance of print design, then talking about how you need to use us to get the right print design. It never explains what print design is, or even which company it advertises. A little insignificant Help, it's almost Halloween! AAH! 16:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Whoops, I'm so sorry, I thought I had responded to this. My intended solution was to tag the article with the same speedy deletion template as I had used before. But I think I forgot and thought I had tagged it with the spam template, when I had originally tagged it with a nocontext template. Sorry about that, I clearly need to take a break from new page patrolling. A little insignificant Help, it's almost Halloween! AAH! 19:03, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

National Association of Government Communicators
Hi Dan,

Unfortunately, the user Cirt has deleted the article. I am hoping you could provide us with a response to my last comment. It would be good to have for the next time this organization chooses to submit.

Thanks, --Joshuajfolk (talk) 22:05, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm frankly quite surprised that discussion was closed as there had only been significant input from two users, you and me. If I had been the admin involved I either would have relisted the debate or closed it with no consensus.  However, the deed has been done.  I specifically stayed away from answering because I felt I had said my piece and was waiting for others to weigh in on the topic.  However, to answer the points you raised in the discussion:


 * The references you cited do not constitute "significant coverage by third parties".
 * The first reference is not quite significant, as it is more an article about the USGS and its website rather than about the NAGC itself.
 * The second reference is not independent, as it is basically a recommendation of the organization from one of its members.
 * The third reference is also not independent as it was written by a member of the association and winner of the award that he is writing about (basically saying "hey look, I won an award from this organization I belong to"). While the article looks independent, when you notice that the name of the author of the article and the name of the author of the awarded document are the same, the independence falls away.


 * Yes, these references verify the organization's existence, but they do not assert the organization's notability. If you can find an independent source that describes the organization, its goals, its significant achievements, etc, that would help.


 * As a final point, I would remind you that if you are a member of this organization, a conflict of interest exists, and you should probably not be the person to recreate the article. However, as a Government Communicator, you probably have lots of useful information (and a better than average grasp of writing) that you could contribute to other areas of Wikipedia. Happy editing!!  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:38, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

For easier reference
This is just to help make sure you don't spend ten minutes looking for my overdue comment. :P Sorry. A little insignificant Help, it's almost Halloween! AAH! 19:04, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello
I have made a couple of different accounts please feel free to delete everyone except for this one, if you may be so kind. I also am working on my teams Wiki page, while at work so I am still editing it as we speak. please try not to delete it so I can get it done. Thank you.

Your Friend.

puRe| EnergY.dF

Thank You
Thank you for your advice, I am very new to Wikipedia, and am apoligetic for my Inexperience, and Noobish behavier.

Hope I will learn the ropes so things such as this does not happen.

P.S I was woundering if there is any opening's for Wiki Staff/Volunteer work, I know I have very good qualities such as 6 Years of Public Relations Experience. And 5 Years Experience Of Web Development/Game Artist Work.

Feel free To Email Myself dev_slymi@live.ca, or Pm me.

Until Then Happy Wiki'ing —Preceding unsigned comment added by EnergY.dF (talk • contribs)
 * Wikipedia is full of work to do. Most of the users here are volunteers. I have left you a welcome message to your user talk page to get you started.  Ilyushka88   talk  17:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Please Delete Team puRe Artical
Please Delete Team puRe Page.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EnergY.dF (talk • contribs) 15:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
 Ilyushka88   talk  17:50, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

CCEI logo
Drsjpdc (talk)Д-р СДжП,ДС 20:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC) Drsjpdc (talk)Д-р СДжП,ДС 20:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I saw your answer, and immediately went to remove the "logo", but found you'd jumped the gun and done it for me. I admit that I have been known to do this sort of thing, trying to do a good thing, and had some take umbrage. Sorry YOU had to be one of them.Д-р СДжП,ДС 20:33, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Need abetter reference, re Chiro page
Drsjpdc (talk)Д-р СДжП,ДС 20:26, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

thank you
thank you for cleaning and adding reference to new theatre pages i'm creating. rixiefilmfan (talk) 14:45, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You're quite welcome. That's what Wikipedia is all about.  Perhaps in the future, you can look at the way I have formatted the references using the standard citation templates and follow that same pattern.  The standard templates allow for a uniform citation style across the project, which really neatens things up quite a bit. Also, I noted in my searches for a definition of the term "Marae-Theatre" that no such article exists in Wikipedia.  It seems that the concept is pretty significant in Maori culture -- perhaps you can attempt a first shot at creating that article.   WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Chiropractic credentials
Thanks for the assistance in this long article. As always I learned something new from your edits. It was a lot of work compiling all that. For your demeanor in general and your assistance and guidance overall I hereby award you this:



Д-р СДжП,ДС 00:44, 10 November 2009 (UTC) has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:Cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}!

Д-р СДжП,ДС 00:44, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Chief Ottih
I by chance realized I could insert this worthy biography in wikipedia, and decided to do so. Chief Ottih lived a great life and made voluminous contributions. citing his biography here does not add or subtract from his fame.

I frankly know nothing about wikipedia, and glad that some persons have cared enough to highlight my mistakes and in some instances made corrections.

I however wonder why this biography is placed under my name as opposed to appearing under his name. I hope this would be corrected or the biography deleted.

Certain questions were raised with respect this article, and here are the responses.

(1)Ottih donated to charitable organizations and community development efforts,[which?] - Chief Ottih was a glorious light in the Southern Cameroon region, and his contributions to the Bakweri Development Union or the Victoria City Down Beach Revitalization Committee or the Chamber of Commerce, which almost depended on his generosity is yet to be surpassed. Victoria City, now called Limbe is a ghost of its old self today.It never recovered after his departure. The best of Southern Cameroon politicians were all his friends, Dr. E.M.L Endeley, Mr. S.T. Muna, and Mr. Augustine Jua, and respected him greatly for his contributions to Southern Cameroon development.

(2)He afforded credits to numerous small businesses[which?]- The Igbo State Union in the Cameroon republic forced their presidency on him, just for his liberal business policies. (By this time he was pre-occupied with African Nationalist Movement and Kamerun National Congress) As the sole distributor of the United Africa company in the Southern Cameroon region, with two branches in Victoria City, one each in Kumba, Tiko and Mutegena, several Igbo businesses depended upon his warehouses as their main source of goods, and to them he afforded numerous credits.

(3)Ottih was awarded the traditional title of Oka-Ome 1 of Awa.[clarification needed]- The title of Oka-Ome 1 of Awa, means he was the traditional prime minister of Awa community.

He was also very pro education and besides scholarships to Catholic Elementary School and Saker Babtist College in Victoria City, he assisted parents who approched him for their children school fees. It was customary practice at the time, and he was happy to help. He awarded scholarships to students of Awa Community Secondary School. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mazi Ngozi Ottih (talk • contribs) 07:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I see nothing in the history of the article that it ever appeared under your name, other than that you were listed as the article's author. The article has been correctly placed at Patrick Nwakamma Ottih.  Also, it is all very well to answer these questions here, but they really need to be answered within the article itself.  Please edit the article to include the details you have provided here.  Also, please provide reliable sources for these claims, other than your own book, since as a relative of his, your own writings cannot be assumed to be neutral.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:25, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I sincerely thank you for your interest in Chief Ottih's biography. Your advice was taken into consideration in adding a supporting reference.

Thanks -"anKF1Rw" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mazi Ngozi Ottih (talk • contribs) 02:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Question
who are you ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Resercher11 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Just another of the many editors here at Wikipedia who like to keep an eye on things. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Unsigned messages
Wiki Dan are you seriously above signing your messages? :) I will locate a better source. I was not familiar with the wwn to known it was not "reliable"Д-р СДжП,ДС  20:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, just forgetful at times! WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Dardik
I well know; I was keenly aware of this, having learned a hard lesson on that other matter to which you refer. Though frankly, I have spoken to "Irv", and I do respect and admire him in many areas. I also am sad that he chose this route to "fame", as I know him to be a real genius. Like so many of these, like Lister and Semmelweis, he has certainly picked a hard row to hoe. He told me in our last conversation that he had no regrets, and in fact was now, in some ways freer to do his research in his wave therapy. Frankly, though I can see no scientific basis in this path, he is convinced that it is  very real, and hinted that he suspects the answers lie in quantum science. I honestly think he would approve. Only time will tell us if he went off the deep end, or is the Einstein of medicine that his "discovery" could make himД-р СДжП,ДС  21:19, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and BTW: he's not a criminal, just a famous surgeon who lost his license pursuing what he really believes in. The Board action is a matter of public record. Д-р<sub style="margin-left:-3.2ex;"> СДжП,ДС 21:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't think he was a criminal, and I hope I didn't imply as much. But he is a subject of controversy, and I, personally, would avoid approaching such subjects while they're still alive.  But, that's my prejudice, I suppose.  So long as the content is neutral and sourced, it's all good.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

BTS; thanks for the oversight. When I grow up, I want to edit like you! :) Д-р<sub style="margin-left:-3.2ex;"> СДжП,ДС 23:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, PPS, can you help me find the correct attribution and licensing for the photo?? Д-р<sub style="margin-left:-3.2ex;"> СДжП,ДС 23:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Doing some homework on the subject, I came across Wikipedia's policy on "non-free" content. The photo you have posted is essentially a publicity photo for Dardik, an individual who is still alive.  As such, the image falls under the criteria listed as unacceptable uses, specifically:
 * "12. Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing; provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image. This includes non-free promotional images."
 * I'm afraid the image you've posted should probably be deleted. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

This photo comes off his own website, and is also available at Google images. I learned the hard way how to handle logos, but what about a photo like this. This is surely placed deliberately in the public domain??? How to get permission otherwise? Д-р<sub style="margin-left:-3.2ex;"> СДжП,ДС 20:53, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that. Perhaps you can find an admin who is familiar with the file upload process and the associated copyright issues to help you.  I have never uploaded an image to Wikipedia; I'm not really too familiar with the process or its pitfalls.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:11, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry to thread-hijack. I would certainly not assume that because an image is on someone's website that they want it to be public domain - I have images on my website that I retain cetain copyright restrictions on. Google images simply finds images by crawling the web. We need proof that an image IS public domain to use it here at Wikipedia. DigitalC (talk) 16:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

CEJA
thanks Dan for your editing on the article. first time using wikipedia and fantastic to see a bit of expertise. Will try and get some more solid references as soon as possible. all the best —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delboyrodney (talk • contribs) 21:23, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Concerning Italian inventions:

Modern Italy is the continuation of Latin culture, in the same country and by the same people, the Romans were one of the Italics people, and their descendant are in Italy today. Italian language is directly derived from latin as spoken by the masses. the Romans are not another people that disappeared or that boarded a space ship to mars. Enrico Fermi, Carmelo Scuderi and Federico Faggin created their inventions in the US but where the minds behind those projects, so my view is that if something is created by an Italian, even abroad, it is still an Italian invention because the inventor is Italian. Of course it can also be claimed as a US invention. I also happen to have a US patent for something I did in the US, are you goint to tell me that I am not Italian. Furthermore if you check the facts you will see that the claims are accurate, at least to the best of my knowledge (and i have reserched this quite a bit)

I quoted Claudio Bordignon as being the first to use stem cells as vectors for gene therapy, here is the reference to the claim:

Nature. 1992 Apr 9;356(6369):465.

Gene therapy. Italians first to use stem cells. Abbott A.

Similarly, all the claims I have made, I believe to be accurate —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.124.34.57 (talk) 23:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Concerning Italian inventions:
Modern Italy is the continuation of Latin culture, in the same country and by the same people, the Romans were one of the Italics people, and their descendant are in Italy today. Italian language is directly derived from latin as spoken by the masses. the Romans are not another people that disappeared or that boarded a space ship to mars. Enrico Fermi, Carmelo Scuderi and Federico Faggin created their inventions in the US but where the minds behind those projects, so my view is that if something is created by an Italian, even abroad, it is still an Italian invention because the inventor is Italian. Of course it can also be claimed as a US invention. I also happen to have a US patent for something I did in the US, are you going to tell me that I am not Italian. Furthermore if you check the facts you will see that the claims are accurate, at least to the best of my knowledge (and i have reserched this quite a bit)

I quoted Claudio Bordignon as being the first to use stem cells as vectors for gene therapy, here is the reference to the claim:

Nature. 1992 Apr 9;356(6369):465.

Gene therapy. Italians first to use stem cells. Abbott A.

Similarly, all the claims I have made, I believe to be accurate

165.124.34.57 (talk) 23:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Light Bulb
The claim about the light bulb only concerns the version with a carbon filament, which worked as a light bulb and pre-date Edison Invention If you recall Edison tested numerous filaments before settling on Tungsten. He noticed the work of Dandini and improved upon it with a different type of filament. This is how inventions are made, by increemental process!! I tell you how to have an Idea: Cook spaghetti with bolognaise sauce (carrot, celery, tomato sauce, onion and ground beef). The next day replace the Ground beef with Ground buffalo beef. Voila'....you have invented a new dish!! You can apply this general principle to lots of things and find that you have become a Volcano of new Ideas!!!

Got it?

165.124.34.57 (talk) 23:21, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

By the way
and to prove to you that Latin Culture and Italian culture are still one:

Gaudeamus Igitur, Juvenes dum sumus! Post-jucundam juventutem, Post Molestam Senectutem nos habebit Humus!

which means...enjoy yourself while you are young —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.124.34.57 (talk) 23:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I studied Latin too. That doesn't make me Italian.  I've also studied French and Spanish, but it doesn't make me any of those cultures either.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:23, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

If you prefer
If you prefer i can split the list in three part:

1) Roman Inventions 2) Inventions by Italian Expatriates 3) Inventions by Italians in Italy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.124.34.57 (talk) 23:30, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Carmen Rosenzeig
I can't. I used Twinkle and was looking for the article in Spanish to finish it. Didn't know about there was another warning for non english. Googled her, she has a few hits. Thanx.--Jessica Gordon (talk) 22:51, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi!
Hi nice to meet you WikiDan61. How are you? I am surprised that my article is nominated for deletion. I received my information from Sony Headquarters themself in Japan. Obi Tenaka is an upcoming starter and has just been signed but has done a host of TV events. I even think he has Japanese wikipedia website also. I wont be back on wikipedia for 2 weeks because i am attending a wedding but can we resume this when we get back? Thankyou for consideration :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonymusicjapan (talk • contribs) 02:24, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Kellyempire09
I just stumbled on this Kellyempire09 claims that there is a law that we must use Italian names and if not one can be punished... blablabla! I am from South Tyrol and there is no such law whatsoever, if there were such a law it would be unconstitutional in Italy and also under European law, furthermore it would violate the Gruber-Degasperi treaty between Italy and Austria, and violate the Austrian-Italian treaties in this matter plus it would violate at least 2 UN general assembly resolutions... so this claim is totally bogus! and it as a fact the press, the communes and everybody in the province of South Tyrol is freely using both the German or Italian names every day and never was there a legal complaint about that. in short: Kellyempire09 is not to be taken serious at all. --noclador (talk) 22:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Jed Robbins
Why is Jed Robbins being deleted? He is a musician and DJ for a DJ page... He meets all criteria to have a DJ page or Musician/Artist page just as anyone else does... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.103.226.6 (talk) 20:33, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Please review the criteria for inclusion for musicians (including DJs) at WP:MUSIC. If Robbins meets any of these criteria, please use reliable sources to show how.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:42, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Jed Robbins
If you want reliable resources, please do a search engine in a Yahoo search and/or Google search. Please type Jed Robbins in your search engine and he pops up everywhere!

Popular, yes... On your Wiki site you give recognition to articles for Last.FM and ReverbNation. Last.FM is a huge radio channel and Jed Robbins is featured there as well... http://www.last.fm/music/Jed+Robbins

www.thedjlist.com .... The DJ List is the Worlds Largest Directory of DJs and Producers. http://thedjlist.com/djs/JED_ROBBINS/

Jed Robbins ranks 12,616 place out of 220,000 DJs in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicdraft (talk • contribs) 21:02, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * LastFM is not considered a reliable source, as any artist can get their music listed there. It is, in essence, a "self-published source"  The DJ List is simply a list of all people who choose to call themselves "DJs" and a popularity index.  This still does not meet the criteria of a reliable source Find sources in published materials in reliable (i.e. independent) web sites or publications.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Rising above
Regarding this sentiment (which I share), I have chosen to rise above it and let those interested in this kind of collegiate debate do it on that article talk page without further comment. As I have pointed out, the MOS dictates what words should be used to convey what concepts, and the argument about what should be the case will be irrelevant if the article is moved to mainspace (and survives the inevitable deletion discussion) because the MOS will be enforced by the community. <sup style="color:green;">Bongo  <sub style="margin-left:-4.2ex; color:blue;">matic  07:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Dear Dani,

I am learning how this site is working (which is not easy). I have received a delation from you:

'Non-notable artist. Only ghits are related to social and networking sites, or to people selling his art on eBay. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yannis_Grammaticopoulos"

I do not understand the real meaning of this deletion. Yannis Grammaticopoulos is a notable artist, well recognized in France, Greece, and Belgium. His work is part of permanent collection of the prestigious Modern Art Museum in Paris France, and National Pinacotheque of Greece. As you can see through his numerous publications and articles about him, he is a well known artist (at least in Western Europe). His name has been published in different Art Encyclopedia and famous art historians have been writing about him.

I know that if you make a ‘Google search’ his name does not appear. (Except in EBay where some silly people are trying to sell some of his old exhibition brochure for 7 euros!). The reason is very simple; my father (who is now 84) is not from the computer generation! Hundred of publications are actually done on paper, newspaper, physical prints and not in digital medias. I am his son, the one who is trying to make him enter in the digital world (with much difficultiesJ). Of course, what I can do is scanning some of his publications and send them to you. As well I shall add that Yannis had numerous TV and Radio broadcast in different counties.

I understand that you have special criteria in Wikipedia that Yannis does not fulfil, “he might not be a notable artist in the virtual world”, but he is in the real world, as shown on his very impressive curriculum, biography, and bibliography. A lot of the art historian and art critics who wrote about him are about his age, retired or no longer living. Again they were not part of this computer generation; their publications were made on paper, in a real Encyclopedia.

Funny enough, my brother Philippe Grammaticopoulos who has article in the French Wikepedia, had no problem of recognition, because his work is digital. (He is working on virtual animation)! If you type his name on Google, or your Tube he has hundred of references. This does not mean, he is more ‘notable’ than my father (who dedicated all his life in his paintings) in the real world!

You see, this is where I think a real discussion should be done among your team, about your Wikipedia criteria, because I am sure the case of my father is one among thousand.

Just 2 points I would like to add: - I am ready to give to you all the necessary material, documents you need, to confirm that Yannis is a notable artist in real life. Please, just tell me, what you need. -The second thing is that my father is not selling any art work on EBay, for the simple reason that this is not the type of public who will be able to afford his paintings.

Thank you for your understanding and taking the time to read me. I hope we can work towards a solution. If not my father will stay in the real world, which will be sad for you and for meJ)

nicolas grammaticopoulos Ngrammat (talk) 20:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Yannis Grammaticopoulos
Dear Dani,

I am learning how this site is working (which is not easy). I have received a delation from you:

'Non-notable artist. Only ghits are related to social and networking sites, or to people selling his art on eBay. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yannis_Grammaticopoulos"

I do not understand the real meaning of this deletion. Yannis Grammaticopoulos is a notable artist, well recognized in France, Greece, and Belgium. His work is part of permanent collection of the prestigious Modern Art Museum in Paris France, and National Pinacotheque of Greece. As you can see through his numerous publications and articles about him, he is a well known artist (at least in Western Europe). His name has been published in different Art Encyclopedia and famous art historians have been writing about him.

I know that if you make a ‘Google search’ his name does not appear. (Except in EBay where some silly people are trying to sell some of his old exhibition brochure for 7 euros!). The reason is very simple my father (who is now 84) is not from the computer generation! Hundred of publications are actually done on paper, newspaper, physical prints and not in digital medias. I am his son, the one who is trying to make him enter in the digital world (with much difficultiesJ). Of course, what I can do is scanning some of his publications and send them to you. As well I shall add that Yannis had numerous TV and Radio broadcast in different counties.

I understand that you have special criteria in Wikipedia that Yannis does not fulfil, “he might not be a notable artist in the virtual world”, but he is in the real world, as shown on his very impressive curriculum, biography, and bibliography. A lot of the art historian and art critics who wrote about him are about his age, retired or no longer living. Again they were not part of this computer generation; their publications were made on paper, in a real Encyclopedia.

Funny enough, my brother Philippe Grammaticopoulos who has article in the French Wikepedia, had no problem of recognition, because his work is digital. (He is working on virtual animation)! If you type his name on Google, or your Tube he has hundred of references. This does not mean, he is more ‘notable’ than my father (who dedicated all his life in his paintings) in the real world!

You see, this is where I think a real discussion should be done among your team, about your Wikipedia criteria, because I am sure the case of my father is one among thousand.

Just 2 points I would like to add: - I am ready to give to you all the necessary material, documents you need, to confirm that Yannis is a notable artist in real life. Please, just tell me, what you need. -The second thing is that my father is not selling any art work on EBay, for the simple reason that this is not the type of public who will be able to afford his paintings.

Thank you for your understanding and taking the time to read me. I hope we can work towards a solution. If not my father will stay in the real world, which will be sad for you and for meJ)

nicolas grammaticopoulos Ngrammat (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Let me try to address some of these concerns. If, as you say, Yannis Grammaticopoulos is a notable artist, one would expect that independent publications would have written about him.  As most current publications are available online, reviews and articles about Grammaticopoulos should be found in Google searches.  ("ghits" refers to successful searches ("hits") on Google.)  The point is not whether or not your father has been active online, but rather whether his activities have been noted by reviewers and writers whose work appears online.  If you have reviews or articles about your father that are not available online, they can still be used as references, as long as they are generally available to the public.  Such references would be reviews in recognized arts or general interest publications; books or parts of books written about the subject; etc.  I.e. and indication that anyone in the arts world has taken notice of your father and his work.  Books or articles written by your father are not a valid reference, unless those writings are themselves notable as indicated by independent reviews of them.  The bottom line is that in order to be considered notable, someone else in the arts world has to have taken notice of your father.  Surely with a body of work as extensive as you have described, some review should have been published somewhere that can be referenced.  If you can find such sources, please feel free to add them to the article as they may persuade other editors that the article is worth keeping after all.


 * As a final point, I should point out that I am not an administrator at Wikipedia. This is not my Wikipedia; it's our Wikipedia -- each editor contributes, as I have done, and as you are now doing.  And each editor has a voice in shaping the policies and guidelines.  If you disagree with the criteria for inclusion, you are free to take up the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people).  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Rakesh Siing
Hi, I noticed you seem to be having trouble with this article! I've just warned someone about removal of the AfD template. I'm tempted to agree with your assessment of it as being a hoax- it may even be speedyable. That aside, the two editors active on the page Donkeyherder1 and Donkeyherder2 are blatantly the same person. I wonder if it might be worth taking this to SPI and/or ANI? Anyway, I'll keep an eye on the article and both users and file an ANI/AIV report if it gets out of hand. HJMitchell   You rang?   14:18, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I was giving the new user the benefit of the doubt before reporting at WP:AIV. If any more shenanigans occur, I'll take it there.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Like I say, I'll keep an eye on the users and the article. Let me know if you need a hand and keep up the good work! HJMitchell    You rang?   14:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I've reported both to ANI for various reasons (explained there). The thread is here if you're interested. HJMitchell   You rang?   14:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Yannis Grammaticopoulos
Hello Dani,

Thank you for your mail.

I understand very well what you are saying to me, and I think you are perfectly right. One should expect reviews and publications on line of my fathers' work in order to prove that he is notable and did what is mentioned in the article. The only links I can find are those one (see below), which is not reflecting the number of publications and articles he had on newspapers and books in 'his glory period'. Let me explain to you that during the 60's, 70's, and 80's many art writers have been interested in his work as part of the abstract movement. Those art critics are not living or not working anymore. Later on, the abstract movement lost interest. Today my father who is very old is not doing any major exhibition, because of his health. (therefore art critics are not writing for him).

I must admit that there are artists of his generation who are much notable than him, and of course the Google search will bring a lot of info on them. The only thing I can say is that the info (reviewed with him) which I have provided for the article is true, and the reason of publishing it was not to help him starting a career in abstract art since he is at the end of it.

I can add these links if you think it is worth and I let you decided to delete or not his page. Whatever is the outcome I feel Wikipedia is a great tool and people working on it are doing a fantastic job.

Yannis' exhibition: http://www.spilioti.com/1953/index.album/yiannis-grammaticopoulos-p1?i=4

The Art Library: http://www.biblartepac.gulbenkian.pt/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=12597OS26X878.1229104&profile=ba-en&uri=link=3100009~!223579~!3100001~!3100054&aspect=subtab71&menu=search&ri=1&source=~!fcgbga&term=Grammaticopoulos%2C+1928-&index=

Comanducci: http://www.comanducci.it/italiano/risultati.asp?Ricerca=GRAMMATICOPOULOS%20Yannis

Mediateque Du Musee D'Art Contemporain de Montreal: http://media.macm.org/e/fonds/doss/g.html

Institut National de l'Histoire de l'Art:

http://www.inha.fr/IMG/pdf/Cartons-artistes-jusque1970.pdf

Best regards, nicolas grammaticopoulosGrammaticopoulos nicolas (talk) 15:38, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Altered Speedy Deletion rationale: Mctaggart clans
Hello WikiDan61, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I have deleted a page you tagged (Mctaggart clans) under a criterion different from the one your provided, which was inappropriate or incorrect. CSD criteria are narrow and specific to protect the encyclopedia, and the process is more effective if the correct deletion rationale is supplied. Consider reviewing the criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. Thanks again!  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  23:55, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry Dan, will be careful henceforth —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonyjz81 (talk • contribs) 08:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Jesse Chacón
Thank you for helping. How did you do those references properly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saduski J (talk • contribs) 16:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Check out Help:References for all the info on how to insert references. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:33, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I understand the idea (maybe), but the entry doesn't look anything like the examples? It's some kind of computer data. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saduski J (talk • contribs) 17:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I used the standard citation templates provided by Wikipedia. These are useful so that citations all look the same throughout the project.  If someone decides that a different citation style is preferred, then the template can be updated and all of the articles that use that template are automatically updated.  Pretty neat.  You can learn more about the citation templates here.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:10, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

PROD abuse - where to learn more about how to use PROD properly
Don't place PROD tags on articles that assert notability and are sourced. You can find directions for using PROD tags here.

Note that this says, "It is a way to suggest deletions that no editor would disagree with, and should not be used to side-step AfD discussion for articles that an editor may wish to keep. Its purpose is to reduce the load on the Articles for deletion process, for cases where articles are uncontestably deletable, yet fail to meet the criteria for speedy deletion."

There is no way that a sourced article about a topic that asserts notability, and the notability is tied to a source, should be prodded. You are creating extra work for others by not following the guidelines for prods. If you have questions, or cannot understand the guidelines, you can post questions on the WP:PROD discussion page, where editors who monitor that page can answer your questions. You can also put a on your user talk page and someone will come by to help. In addition you can click the help link at left and post at the help desk. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 02:16, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Stop accusing me of plagiarism and copyvios and OR
If you're going to accuse me of plagiarism and copyright violations, then remove the offending material and report me on the proper boards with diffs. Otherwise stop being so uncivil with false and unfounded accusations. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 05:05, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't accuse you of anything. I commented on the content of the article, which was created by a different author, .  Unless you are this user, you have not been accused of anything.  The article was nominated for deletion before you had any input to it.  Your contributions to the article have helped a great deal; my comment was intended to clarify my position in nominating the article in the first place.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The article as it now stands is almost a complete rewrite by me. How it was does not matter. If you're nominating something for deletion, but you're not monitoring it, you're a deletionist and your voice in the matte should be completely discounted. You called the version as is a copyvio. It's my work. You're accusing me of plagiarism. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 19:00, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Forgive me if my life requires that I step away from Wikipedia at times. I cannot monitor the article 24 hours a day.  If the article is improved, then let the consensus of the community decide that at the AfD.  My nomination of the article does not constitute an accusation of plagiarism against you.  Please do not continue to accuse me of casting false accusations. And if by "deletionist" you mean a person who would prefer to see Wikipedia not riddled with poor articles that do not (and cannot) adhere to the guidelines set by the community, then I'll wear that label proudly. I've improved articles where I felt that such improvement was possible and warranted, and I've nominated articles for deletion where I've felt that such improvement was not possible.  The whole point of the AfD process is to allow a consensus to be established; if you disagree with my nomination, you are free to do so.  But false accusations are not to be tolerated.  I haven't made any; I request that you don't either.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:09, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Nice
Your tactfulness is truly admirable. I would likely have let my irritation shine through. After all this time one should be able to expect better understanding of our policies. I suspect that you'll find many other such issues if you look at the articles he has edited. -- Brangifer (talk) 15:24, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree. I have pointed out such issues time and time again to this user and found him unwilling to learn.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:33, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Fact versus Opinion! Indeed.
Drsjpdc (talk)

answer:

Drsjpdc (talk)

and please see the next section below that.Д-р<sub style="margin-left:-3.2ex;"> СДжП,ДС 16:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

WCA Article
Since when does one place a disputed article flag on a page World Chiropractic Alliance with NO discussion, explaining the basis for the alleged dispute? What is there to dispute? I was very,very careful to source EVERY statement. Д-р<sub style="margin-left:-3.2ex;"> СДжП,ДС 20:56, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I was in the process of creating the discussion when your message came. I sometimes get called away from my desk in the middle of such things.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

E7 bus
I see you PRODed the E7 bus article. That PROD was removed by the author but the real issue wasn't addressed. So now I have nominated it for AfD. Perhaps you'd care to comment - Articles for deletion/E7 bus. --Biker Biker (talk) 23:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Luna 2
My apologies for taking almost a week to do this; I didn't happen upon your talk page until now, so I didn't know your notification preference. Şļџğģő 17:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

SPEELS : your unreadable garbage for chasing off competent editors willing to correct it
"That is why I have allowed the AfD to continue; to allow those members of the community who are knowledgeable in this area to have their say in the matter. This it the whole point of an AfD discussion anyway, is it not? WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:56, 15 December 2009 (UTC)"

If that was what you really wanted you could have simply asked some editors at WP:Physics to edit the article. But you didn't: you nominated it for deletion and forced the deletion after all of the problems you claimed were there were gone. And you argued forcefully with and against an editor who was correcting and editing the article.

Now it's got the attention of a bunch of wikidiots who are turning it into an unreadable (and wrong and COInterested) piece of technical crap that's not a wikipedia article. Are you nominating it for deletion now that it's totally useless?

Experts leave wikipedia because editors like you chase them away to keep in control of game-playing points on articles about topics they're clueless on.

If you had wanted experts to edit the article and improve it and comment on the AfD you would have allowed them to do so. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 23:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Clearly you and I disagree over the direction the AfD for this article proceeded. You seem to feel that as the nominator, I am obligated to retract the nomination if someone comes along and edits the article.  I disagree.  That was certainly an option, if I could have said definitively that the edits had improved the article. In this case I could not say that because I am not an expert in the field.  I am knowledgeable enough to know that the original artcle was unacceptable.  The community has decided that the article, as modified, was sufficient to remain.  So be it.  It is not my responsibility that the article is now a mess; I haven't looked at it since the discussion was closed.  If you feel the article is inappropriate, you are free to improve it, or nominate it for deletion yourself if you feel that is its proper destiny.  Had the article been deleted, it would have avoided the fate of being altered by "wikidiots", as you call them.  But you argued forcefully and successfully for its retention.  Don't blame me if the direction the article takes doesn't meet your desires.  That's the nature of Wikipedia.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)