User talk:WikiMilkshake

Help me!
Please help me with submitting a request for an article.

WikiMilkshake (talk) 19:16, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * You'll have to be a little more specific for detailed advice, but in general, the place to request articles to be writted is WP:Requested articles and its sub-pages. Please add some reliable sources to your request so the editors working on the requests have something to go by. Huon (talk) 19:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * You were right the first time. I incorrectly assumed it was more complicated. Thanks!WikiMilkshake (talk) 20:15, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Help me!
Please help me with submitting a request for a company named JAFRA. JAFRA does not have an existing page, as its pages were deleted in [|23 March 2005] and [|26 January 2011]. I'd like to submit a request for someone to write a new article for JAFRA that follows unbiased rules and guidelines and avoids self-promotion (as per the deletion and move log from previous posts). I personally have never read the deleted articles so I can not make specific reference to its content. I can't write an article on JAFRA myself since I am affiliated with the company but I have links to third party sources that can help. Thank you!

WikiMilkshake (talk) 19:58, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * , as Huon suggested above, you should make a request at the Requested articles page, providing the references and information so that someone can write an article. Primefac (talk) 20:02, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help! WikiMilkshake (talk) 20:16, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm a first time user and my submission request was immediately deleted. What am I doing wrong?
I am trying to submit a request page for a company called JAFRA. I went to the Requested articles/Business and economics/Companies section and placed the following text in the edit:

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 * JAFRA Cosmetics International, Inc. - a direct-selling company that manufactures beauty and skin care products. Their headquarters are located in Westlake Village, California, USA. Founded by Jane and Frank Day in Malibu, California, USA in August 1956. In 2004, JAFRA was acquired by Vorwerk & Co.. JAFRA's signature product is Royal Jelly Milk Balm.

There isn't a page for JAFRA or JAFRA Cosmetics but they are referenced in several Wikipages here:

Here are landing pages for JAFRA and JAFRA Cosmetics that depicts the deletion and move log:

This is my first time submitting to Wikipedia. Although I've read the how-to's, rules, guidelines and lingo, I'm sure I'm doing something incorrectly. I tried to cite valid references (I thought Los Angeles Times and Reuters would be good choices) and shared other sites just in case but I wonder if those links are what failed the submission?

Any and all help is appreciated. Thanks!


 * It appears you haven't saved the page. Maybe you've run into the CAPTCHA? Nothing you wrote has been deleted, though. Huon (talk) 23:03, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * That's strange. When I first submitted it the information was visible but after refreshing the page it disappeared. It could be I missed the answer the CAPTCHA, like you said. I tried it again right now, let's see if it works. Do you happen to know how long it takes for a post like that to go into the approval process?


 * I still don't see any edits of yours except on this talk page. Unfortunately WP:Requested articles is a rather slow process, and it's impossible to predict how long it will take for a specific request to be acted on. By the way, with the exception of the 1985 LA Times article, the references you provide are either press releases or business directory entries, not the detailed third-party coverage we need to write an article about the company. See also WP:CORP. Huon (talk) 23:33, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I made sure to go through the CAPTCHA this time (twice even) and it appeared on the list just fine when I last checked. No love for WikiMilkshake, I guess. I'll see if I can pull up more references like the LA Times article, maybe that will help. Thanks a lot, Huon! I really appreciate it.

Deletion of JAFRA Cosmetics
Hi, thanks for message. Following its tagging by another editor, I deleted your article because
 * it did not provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Although the text has references, key data regarding the company is not. 550,000 Independent Contractors (Consultants) and annual revenue in excess of half a billion U.S. dollars.. The notability depends on this, so it needs third-party referencing, and a profit figure would be good too. The parent company financials have a reference, but that's not the topic of this article. I would also have thought that a global company could find better references than a local paper like the Ventura County Star, especially as it's just repeating what it has been told, hardly independent reporting
 * it was written in a promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic.
 * there shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections. That's particularly the case when they are spamlinks to your overseas branches and charity etc
 * External links should have one link to your main website. If people want to find more they can find it there, we are not a web host
 * Examples of unsourced claims presented as fact include: is dedicated to .
 * The otherwise pointless "Markets" section seems intended, like the ELs, only as a platform for the spamlinks to your other sites


 * Looking at your contributions, you appear to have an obvious conflict of interest when it comes to editing articles about this subject. If that is the case, you must declare it. See also Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest.

You probably realise by now that articles about companies and products are subjected to close scrutiny because of the likelihood of a COI. I've seen much worse than this, and I'm willing to sandbox it, if you wish, so that you can improve it out of the direct line of fire. Just et me know.

Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:07, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response, Jimfbleak. It would be great if you could please sandbox it for further editing. Your feedback and points are duly noted and will be exercised. I appreciate the help. In reference to these points, I have a few more questions I'd like to ask you.


 * As you probably saw on my talk page, I do have a conflict of interest because I work for the company. Where would I declare that info? On the article itself or should I create a user page for myself and present it there?


 * Since I do have a COI, would it be wiki-ethical and legal of me to edit and submit the article from the sandbox or would it have to be a different person? I first requested the article under the WP:Requested articles section and found no luck there. If it must be submitted by another person: With the article being already fully written and created, after further editing of course, is there another area outside of WP:Requested articles to submit for review?


 * I do realize that articles about companies and products are subject to close scrutiny, and I am aware of all the WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. I hadn't seen the Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest page before, so I'll definitely look closely into that. Please get back to me on the previous questions and I'll do what I can (and am allowed) to do to fix this. WikiMilkshake (talk) 17:19, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * COI editing is discouraged but not banned. If you state on the article talk page what your COI is, that will do. It's transparency that matters. I'll repost here shortly Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:39, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Jimfbleak I really appreciate it. I'll start making the necessary edits. I remember reading somewhere that sandboxes get cleared out after some time. Is there a timeframe or deadline before all the content is removed? Also, once all the edits have been made and the article is ready, how do I submit it to someone for approval? WikiMilkshake (talk) 16:36, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You're thinking of the Wikipedia main sandbox for new editors to practise in. Personal sandboxes can remain indefinitely Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:18, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I made a few edits based off your suggestions, Jimfbleak. Can I ask you to look it over for some more recommendations or direct me to another page where I can get feedback in a reasonable amount of time? WikiMilkshake (talk) 16:17, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:JAFRA Cosmetics logo.jpg
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COI
Just a recommendation, we discourage editing people who pay you to do so but the notice you put in your summary should also be on your user page, it makes it more accessible for readers so they don't have to contrib search. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 22:59, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help Hell in a Bucket. I added it to my user page. Is that sufficient or should I include more information? WikiMilkshake (talk) 23:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No I think that is a reasonable notice. Thanks. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 23:25, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome!
Hello, WikiMilkshake, and welcome to Wikipedia!&#32;Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you edited appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article.&#32;Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

To reduce the chances of your contributions being undone, you might like to draft your revised article before submission, and then ask me or another editor to proofread it. See our help page on userspace drafts for more details. If the page you created has already been deleted from Wikipedia, but you want to save the content from it to use for that draft, don't hesitate to ask anyone from this list and they will copy it to your user page.

One rule we do have in connection with conflicts of interest is that accounts used by more than one person will unfortunately be blocked from editing. Wikipedia generally does not allow editors to have usernames which imply that the account belongs to a company or corporation. If you have a username like this, you should request a change of username or create a new account. (A name that identifies the user as an individual within a given organization may be OK.)

Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
 * The plain and simple conflict of interest guide
 * The five pillars of Wikipedia
 * Contributing to Wikipedia
 * Tutorial
 * How to edit a page and How to develop articles
 * How to create your first article (using the Article Wizard if you wish)
 * Simplified Manual of Style

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place  before the question. Again, welcome! Hell in a Bucket (talk) 22:59, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: JAFRA Cosmetics (August 24)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Alpha Monarch was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:JAFRA Cosmetics and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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♔ MONARCH Ask me 16:58, 24 August 2015 (UTC)